Star Wars: Force for Change - A Message from J.J. Abrams

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I want puppets like that in important roles, i want a close up of a puppet face giving orders to the rest of the cast, i want scenes of just entirely puppets interacting with each another much like the magical screen chemistry between salacious crumb and jabba.
 
Fix The Scientist said:
I want puppets like that in important roles, i want a close up of a puppet face giving orders to the rest of the cast, i want scenes of just entirely puppets interacting with each another much like the magical screen chemistry between salacious crumb and jabba.
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No, you really don't. That's where puppets fall apart, really really fucking quickly. Puppets just DO NOT have the articulation, or realistic movement in the little articulation they have to do any kind of dialog work, or acting.
 
There's a certain charm and tangibility to puppets, regardless of how realistic they look. I think they can co-exist with CG, if not combined.
A CG version of the creature in the video wouldn't have the same charm. I don't think CG is at a point where the characters don't look like- CG. It's ok for giant creatures or fast movement, but they always look CG. At least with puppets, they're real creatures in a scene.
I also imagine that animatronics have had massive improvements in the past 30 years.

It may be worth nothing that with all the CG at his disposal, puppet jabba looked infinitely better than CG counterpart. Even gollum has a puppeteer technically speaking.
 
Real Hero said:
Yoda?
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Yoda looks like a puppet when he talks.

Bucket Mouse said:
http://youtu.be/L7SkrYF8lCU
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Has the benefit of it's lips being a couple of feet across. The character that started this thread doesn't have that benefit. There's only so small, and so much articulation you can fit in a humanoid sized face.

Hellboy 2 is a great example of this. There was awesome use of puppetry and suits for the characters walking around and such. When they try and talk to a few of those characters and they used Puppet faces instead of CG faces it really hurt it. The lips just barely move the rest of the face feels stiff, and the parts that do move, move like foam and not like flesh and bone.

When it comes to human sized characters that need to talk and emote you're better off with a CG head than a puppet one. You get infinitely more articulation and realistic movement out of it.
 
Star Wars must be the only franchise where the fans are thrilled that the original creator is as little involved as possible.
 
Looks awesome, and strengthens my believe, that JJ Abrams is the perfect man for the task, and completely understands what Star Wars needs...
 
thecouncil said:
"fans"
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I don't see the big deal.


then again, i never found any starwars movie to be legitimately great. Maybe revenge of the sith for the battles.

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That puppet is very cool and charming, i like it.
I'm not against CGi or anything, just use it wisely, something the Prequels didn't do.

A problem i'm seeing in the new Hobbit movies, compared to the old LotR ones, too.
 
I dont care about it at all if they use puppets or CGI.

first of all, saying star wars needs puppets is completely wrong. star wars is not about puppets, its about working at the hight of technology, because thats what they did back in 77. they didnt say "whoa, lets use puppets and models", they said "lets work at the frontier of sfx" and thats what they did.

second: the cgi was hardly a major problem of the prequels. they could have been perfect films even with the cgi.

and third: yoda was a puppet in episode 1, and it sucked, they replaced it with cgi for the blu ray and honestly that was much better. surely there are a lot of crappy cgi in the prequels but I would never go so far and say they need to use puppets and models under any circumstance.
 
funkystudent said:
And Star Trek got to that point eventually.


Whats it with sci fi franchises with the word "star" in it that make the creators / caretakers go crazy? JJ has 2 of them under his control so that cant end well.
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the inherent pb with star-oriented sci-fi franchises is the lack of a clear end goal.
It's all abstractions in the end.

Compelling characters/ interesting situations/ incredible locals are the staples of those star franchises.
It's hard to keep the ball rolling and steer it to greater heights.
 
OldRoutes said:
Did it look good? I don't think it looked good.

It looked like a puppet.
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It will look much better enhanced ..you are just looking it at in raw form. Remember CG can do other things to make real things like more real, as in smoothing over the real puppet character a bit..but i also think CG can be used great and as time goes on and as computers are more advanced..its gonna be harder and harder to even tell anymore which is real and which is not...there is nothing going to stop that. This is why i have no problem with CG as long as its used right.

Gosh im such a huge star wars fan so its great to see this bit of footage..I had seen it at a star wars site already but i still keep watching this vid over and over for some odd reason lol
 
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