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Star Wars Mafia |OT| A Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy
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Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
This explains the massive amount of flippers, we are not only dealing with hurt scum, but also spies. We probably have a higher end of informed minority than usual.
I'll post more in the morning.
I'll post more in the morning.
Swamped dying effectively undoes our mislynch yesterday, so there's that.
Worthy and his buddy need to claim today imo. If he doesn't then worthy is the obvious detain target. If they do, I don't think they're in immediate risk of a mafia kill due to A) killing one would flip the info confirming the other B) masons are pretty low value targets early game when a doc / cop could still be out there.
I can't think of a reason not to do this as it will confirm two rebels and keep us from wasting a day detaining another rebel.
Worthy and his buddy need to claim today imo. If he doesn't then worthy is the obvious detain target. If they do, I don't think they're in immediate risk of a mafia kill due to A) killing one would flip the info confirming the other B) masons are pretty low value targets early game when a doc / cop could still be out there.
I can't think of a reason not to do this as it will confirm two rebels and keep us from wasting a day detaining another rebel.
Totally agreed. His roleclaim is about as falsifiable as we're gonna get, so if his pal doesn't show up I'm probably voting for him. Not to mention he's clearly the most insane among us.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
So 3 remaining Hutt. Interesting. Crazy that Swamped was actually a Hutt. Wasn't that a random we chose at the beginning?
The Hutts are definitely making it look like I am a Hutt. For one, I knew that if exmachina was getting voted off Day1 LoC would vote for me next, so why not kill him? Makes sense for the Hutt to do.
The Hutts are definitely making it look like I am a Hutt. For one, I knew that if exmachina was getting voted off Day1 LoC would vote for me next, so why not kill him? Makes sense for the Hutt to do.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
I will be able to reveal my partner but I will wait for a better time when we are both active.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
Will post more tomorrow morning.
Wow... Now I feel bad for accusing Castamere. Sorry! But hey, at least someone got Swamped! I'm assuming it was Castamere, too, so thank you for taking her out in a blaze of glory! Plus, we know there're still a decent number of Hutts left, and that one's disconnected from the others. It sucks that we lost two Rebels, especially seeing what all Exmachina could have done, especially with that shield.
So for the kills last night, the possibilities:
1) LoC used his one shot on swamped, and at the same time Hutts came and took him out.
2) A third party took one of them out and the Hutts took the other one out. Since Hutts didn't know swamp's alignment, it could have gone either way. LoC didn't use his one shot.
3) LoC used his one shot, a third party tried to kill, and hutts tried to kill, but one was blocked or stopped by doc / bp.
Occam's razor says 1 or 2 and given LoC's suspicion of swamped, likely 1. We won't know the average kills per night for a couple for days, but our win condition only states that we need eliminate Hutt aligned players so there's a possibility that any 3p (if there are any) don't need to be eliminated for us to win.
1) LoC used his one shot on swamped, and at the same time Hutts came and took him out.
2) A third party took one of them out and the Hutts took the other one out. Since Hutts didn't know swamp's alignment, it could have gone either way. LoC didn't use his one shot.
3) LoC used his one shot, a third party tried to kill, and hutts tried to kill, but one was blocked or stopped by doc / bp.
Occam's razor says 1 or 2 and given LoC's suspicion of swamped, likely 1. We won't know the average kills per night for a couple for days, but our win condition only states that we need eliminate Hutt aligned players so there's a possibility that any 3p (if there are any) don't need to be eliminated for us to win.
Great! I would prefer if your partner came out without your help, though. If you two are some sort of Hutt lovers, I don't want you coordinating your stories. Ball's in your court, Mystery Man.
Agreed. I also want to know if they are alignment confirmed or not.
First, I fucking told you bastards not to lynch exmachina, and now we've lost an incredible role. Seriously consider the fact that we may not have a Guard/Doc anymore, and with LoC dead as well, we may be out of extra killing roles.
Second, who voted against LoC yesterday?
Third, TWE's bullshit MIGHT be a Hutt ruse, but if he was going to lie and coordinate, he could have done it in Mafia chat. I still think he's a neutral protecting someone else that may or may not be Town. He MIGHT be the imperial spy like Swamped, and is hoping for a Hutt to cover for him now. He did try and protect her yesterday to some degree.
Fourth, assuming LoC was the one that got Swamped last night, you shall ride eternal. Shiny and chrome!
Fifth, we cannot assume LoC was the one that got Swamped. There may still be extra killers of any allegiance.
Second, who voted against LoC yesterday?
Third, TWE's bullshit MIGHT be a Hutt ruse, but if he was going to lie and coordinate, he could have done it in Mafia chat. I still think he's a neutral protecting someone else that may or may not be Town. He MIGHT be the imperial spy like Swamped, and is hoping for a Hutt to cover for him now. He did try and protect her yesterday to some degree.
Fourth, assuming LoC was the one that got Swamped last night, you shall ride eternal. Shiny and chrome!
Fifth, we cannot assume LoC was the one that got Swamped. There may still be extra killers of any allegiance.
traube, I'm going to buy a lottery ticket later, what should my numbers be?
Also, should we policy detain Palmer? Maybe TB got lucky too.
This is a possibility, but it's easily proven by detaining one of them.
Even outside of the whole "I'm mafia" thing, ex really misplayed yesterday. He could have very easily said "I can prove I'm a rebel tonight" and given someone a shield. That person could have confirmed him since there's no reason for mafia to have that role. I know we said no role claims Day 1, but it sucks that a player who was too inexperienced to realize his role was an exception to that rule when faced with certain detainment (since it is confirmable) took the fall. I'm not saying this to disparage him, because it's understandable to not understand that level of strategy on your first go. I hope ex joins us again next game, as I think he could be a good player now that he understands it a bit better.
Also, should we policy detain Palmer? Maybe TB got lucky too.
This is a possibility, but it's easily proven by detaining one of them.
Even outside of the whole "I'm mafia" thing, ex really misplayed yesterday. He could have very easily said "I can prove I'm a rebel tonight" and given someone a shield. That person could have confirmed him since there's no reason for mafia to have that role. I know we said no role claims Day 1, but it sucks that a player who was too inexperienced to realize his role was an exception to that rule when faced with certain detainment (since it is confirmable) took the fall. I'm not saying this to disparage him, because it's understandable to not understand that level of strategy on your first go. I hope ex joins us again next game, as I think he could be a good player now that he understands it a bit better.
Want to respond to this, before anything else. Could not so on Day 1. So this has nothing to do with anything that happened during the night.
I agree with you. redhood56 is a Rebel in my book. Quite sure about that. Same goes for you, because I assume you came to that conclusion the same way I did.
So I'd suggest that we three form a circle of trust. Maybe vote together as long as we are alive.
Should one of us be Empire this would of course bite us all in the ass.
Right. So what I really expect to happen with TWE is we just waste a lot of time not lynching him.
Vote: TheWorthyEdge
Remember RNH, veterans.
Is this the post? http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=164589789&postcount=647Want to respond to this, before anything else. Could not so on Day 1. So this has nothing to do with anything that happened during the night.
I agree with you. redhood56 is a Rebel in my book. Quite sure about that. Same goes for you, because I assume you came to that conclusion the same way I did.
So I'd suggest that we three form a circle of trust. Maybe vote together as long as we are alive.
Should one of us be Empire this would of course bite us all in the ass.
brofist. Did you notice johnny too?Want to respond to this, before anything else. Could not so on Day 1. So this has nothing to do with anything that happened during the night.
I agree with you. redhood56 is a Rebel in my book. Quite sure about that. Same goes for you, because I assume you came to that conclusion the same way I did.
So I'd suggest that we three form a circle of trust. Maybe vote together as long as we are alive.
Should one of us be Empire this would of course bite us all in the ass.
No. Guess I have to take another look. But I noticed something Zippedpinhead said. Does not necessary mean he is Empire. But it caught my attention.
Oh and btw.. The reason I noticed what redhood56 was posting was not because of my role. I asked MattyG about this exact information. Because I was not sure that he would share it with me. Hope you understand why I am telling you that. Don't want to become suspicious at some point because of a minor misunderstanding.
You could ask him the same thing, assuming we really are talking about the same information, and he should be able to confirm it.
Actually, let's walk this through:
1) worthy and swamped were buddies, he now knows he's screwed. What does he do?
A) Lie and say his partner doesn't want to come forward, in which case we policy detain him.
B) pray a hutt claims to be his buddy which would be unnecessarily risky since he could be telling the truth. If they did take this gambit, us detaining one would immediately incriminate the other.
2) Worthy is hutt, and his claim was a last minute save. What does he do?
A) another hutt steps forward, if we feel one is suspicious, we detain one and then the other.
B) Hutts are already down one, leave him out to dry rather than risk 2 more. We detain him.
3) Worthy is telling the truth. What does he do?
A) Other mason comes forward, we detain worthy to confirm
B) Other mason comes forward, we trust them unless they raise suspicion.
C) Other mason does not come forward for some reason. We detain worthy, and likely can't confirm the other mason if the name is redacted from the flip.
4) worthy is 3P. What does he do?
A) he is an assassin with a target. why would the target come forward or know who he is? We detain him.
B) He is meant to protect a rebel, in which case why would he be 3p? and if he was, he isn't dangerous, so...
C) known unknown
I've certainly been wrong before, but I just don't see 4) being an option. As much as I love the possibility of LoC going out in a blaze of glory, that last minute case on worthy made very little sense. Palmer setup specs a role I've never seen before (but not out of the question), and then worthy just happens to be that role and scum slips? Like that would be quite a coincidence. I don't think we should get too caught up with that idea unless someone has evidence. 1-3 are far more likely.
Maybe worthy should say his buddy's name first to prevent 1B and guarantee 2A?
I'm specifically worried about the Hutt power roles. Exmachine's role seemed insanely powerful and the Hutts surely have something good to match it.
I agree about 1-3. I think 4th is MORE possible than you do, but still least likely. I did list a few neutral roles that are possible, and as for being ones you haven't seen before, note that before this game started, I did help mattyG brainstorm a bit in the general mafia thread. I assume he would make changes, but you get the idea. Also, TWE himself posted immediately after me with more specific neutral possibilities. If Swamped hadn't died, I would assume 4th option and still be trying to lynch him.
I'm sort of assuming at least 1 night kill immune role. Maybe one that could get through protection as well. Otherwise exmachina could have shielded himself the entire game.
Also having two sets of bad guys makes getting data from voting trickier. 2 were talking and then however many in the other group were talking separately. So who knows how they split those votes up.
Ah, ok, beating that drum makes more sense now.
Ah, ok, beating that drum makes more sense now.
lol. two power roles gone, the armorer lynched just for fun and you're still defending it.
At least LoC seems to have been able to successfully use his power before he was taken out.
He was a likely target last night. So it makes sense that he used his power already.
Matt Attack
Member
We had a pretty crazy night, it would seem. First off, RIP LoC and exmachina. It's easy to handwave everything as being okay because swamped ended up being an imperial and died, but we also lost two of our own power roles- this is a not a good thing.
In regards to exmachina, I'd like to apologize. Even though my final vote ended up going towards Zipped, I pushed very hard for his detainment and so I feel that I bear some of the responsibility. I still think that, considering the circumstances at the time, it made sense to detain him, but the results were obviously less than satisfactory.
In regards to exmachina, I'd like to apologize. Even though my final vote ended up going towards Zipped, I pushed very hard for his detainment and so I feel that I bear some of the responsibility. I still think that, considering the circumstances at the time, it made sense to detain him, but the results were obviously less than satisfactory.
Don't forget the SK - I'd be surprised if only the Hutts could kill townies at night.
We only had to deaths tonight and one kill was performed by a pro-town role, so either the "SK" didn't attack (which would be weird) or he hit a target with immunity (three actions, three power roles as targets... wtf?). Or LoC didn't kill, but the SK did.
Barrylocke
Member
This is of course assuming that there is a serial killer this time around. Granted it's a very common role, but there are no guarantees.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
So. For those that want to see my role, you shall. First, am I allowed to copy the message MattyG sent me and paste it?
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
No,but you can paraphrase it.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
Then this is it.
I am a Combat Buddy aligned with the Rebels. I have a role where a friend and I are allowed to discuss the game outside of the thread.
My partner is Zubz.
I am a Combat Buddy aligned with the Rebels. I have a role where a friend and I are allowed to discuss the game outside of the thread.
My partner is Zubz.
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
Actually as far as I'm aware, most spy roles don't have a separate forum, besides the rile PK didin't have the 'your thread is here' clause that the scum roles usually have. Now often times a spy can be recruited by the main group, but I'm not sure if that is applicable in this case either.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
No BUT if I die then he dies, and vice versa.
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
Masons are supposed to be thought of as confirmed town. While it is not unheard of for there to be mafia masons, like jesters, it is considered a bad move for a game modererator to have one.
It can't be just the Hutts that can kill at night. Rebels had a Vigilante and an Armorer, two pretty powerful roles. If the Rebels would be only at risk of loosing one player per night, it would be one imbalanced game.
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
NOOOOOOO, WHY WOULD YOU SAY THAT!?!!!?
Very good point. The role pm doesn't say anything about the recruiting or the faction kill. I wonder what would happen if we got all of the other group before the last spy?
TheWorthyEdge
Member
Well I mean, isn't it better for the town now? For those medic roles or the watchers they can easily find Hutts now.
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
But now you guys are practically guaranteed to be killed in the night. The Hutts would have to be insane to not hit, or a doc would have to be so lucky for you guys to live.
Also, you know that if one more of you vet's detained, the other probably dies/get's detained too right? You aren't masons... Your lovers.
Also, you know that if one more of you vet's detained, the other probably dies/get's detained too right? You aren't masons... Your lovers.
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
I imagine the "detain" flavor made him think that it doesn't apply to lynches.