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Star Wars Mafia |OT| A Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy
- Thread starter MattyG
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Not directly. More meta-gaming how I think the game would have been set up.
I figure there's at LEAST 3 hutts, then two imperial agents on top of that for 5. I'm sort of town aligned. On the other hand, if nobody is lying, we have/had a ton of powerful town roles. Just really bad luck that we immediately killed or outed a few of them.
If the thief exists, i would assume the worst case, he is hutt aligned.
Any update on that, MattyG?
Zippedpinhead
Member
I didn't vote yesterday because I didn't want to got blarg, but I knew he was the only solid lead we had. I was conflicted!
Now the people I am most suspicious of are both still alive, but now with Terrabyte dead, I'm not sure who to vote for first. we've had multiple different types of trackers before, so it's not unreasonable, but it's also possible he is a Hutt aligned tracker to suss out rebels owed roles.
Zippedpinhead
Member
This is me discussing setre by the way...
AbsolutBro
Member
My earlier post shows who voted for Blargonaut and in what order:
CzarTim
Makai
eJawa
Zubz
Barrylocke
Palmer_v1
TheWorthyEdge
Raindoc
Terrabyte20xx - RIP ;_;
redhood56
setre
The list, now my thoughts:
Still a tiny little bit suspicious of CzarTim and the whole swamped thing, but his earlier defense seems reasonable enough. It was, after all, based on stuff from day 1.
If Makai is a Hutt, you can bet he's getting some serious, serious love on the Hutt forums for beating Blargonaut at his own game. Heck, he's probably getting love on the hutt forums even if he's NOT on their side.
eJawa not having an active role doesn't necessarily make him Rebel as setre seems to be convinced of. He could be an ordinary Hutt who didn't use the "kill" command. His posts in this thread seem benign enough though.
Zubz / TWE - claim Battlebro status. No real reason to doubt they're telling the truth, but with our Seer gone we have no real way of confirming that short of detaining one of them; not exactly a great plan though.
Barrylocke has played it pretty quietly this game. To hide his hutt status, or just to prevent himself dying early on again? Also the very real option of RL stuff getting in the way.
Palmer - claims he's a neutral faction whose goals mostly coincide with a town victory. I suspect my avatar would suit you more than me?
Raindoc - pretty solidly rebel imo; has likely the most ironic post in the game so far.
redhood56 - claimed to be an ordinary rebel early on. But that post still rubs me the wrong way for some reason I can't quite put my finger on. Probably the "Hello sweetie!" part, I dunno.
setre - claims to be a Watcher and that Palmer and eJawa did nothing N1 and N2 respectively. Also convinced Palmer was a Rebel, and we have his own confirmation that he's not. Likely just, as claimed, confusion over the role.
Anyway, we definitely know that there's another Imperial Agent out there somewhere. Swamped's role post indicated she had a partner, and it definitely wasn't Blargonaut as he claimed.
I was online, but not sure of who to vote for. By the time I had decided Blargonaut was more harmful than helpful, he had the votes and the day was over. Voting is my only power, I'd prefer not to just throw it around.
Matt Attack
Member
RIP TB and Blarg. The both of you were taken from us too soon. ;-;
Between over 30 hours of airport-related shenanigans and what appears to have been quite the speedy bandwagon detain, I didn't have a chance to jump in. I apologize. I realize I might as well have not been playing the game during Day 2, but now that I'm home in America, expect this to change.
Between over 30 hours of airport-related shenanigans and what appears to have been quite the speedy bandwagon detain, I didn't have a chance to jump in. I apologize. I realize I might as well have not been playing the game during Day 2, but now that I'm home in America, expect this to change.
I confirm Setre's claim about me last night.
I'm tempted to go back to my Rymuth vote, but if he is going to be prodded and then replaced, might as well wait.
My current 3 people of suspicion are:
Inactivity
OceanicAir
Rymuth
Suspicious claims
QuantomBro
I'm tempted to go back to my Rymuth vote, but if he is going to be prodded and then replaced, might as well wait.
My current 3 people of suspicion are:
Inactivity
OceanicAir
Rymuth
Suspicious claims
QuantomBro
Setre
Member
What is my role?
Rebel Officer
Whats the flavor text of my role?
Im the only remaining officer in the group. Its my job to keep everyone safe but remain vigilant in finding the Hutts. Once a night I get to watch someone and get a report back on suspicious activity. I win when no Hutt players are left.
How could I confuse this role with the Cop?
Ive stated multiple times before Ive never played Mafia. I read what the most common roles were on the Mafia wiki and to me it seemed like I was the cop.
Why did I clear Palmer and eJawa?
Again Ive never played Mafia before so I just assumed No suspicious activity meant he was a Rebel, same with eJawa. I would have assumed that had I gotten Suspicious activity that meant they were a Hutt.
Why didnt the Hutts kill me?
Why would they when Ive made myself this suspicious already? I can do the job just fine in getting myself detained where they dont have to kill me.
Rebel Officer
Whats the flavor text of my role?
Im the only remaining officer in the group. Its my job to keep everyone safe but remain vigilant in finding the Hutts. Once a night I get to watch someone and get a report back on suspicious activity. I win when no Hutt players are left.
How could I confuse this role with the Cop?
Ive stated multiple times before Ive never played Mafia. I read what the most common roles were on the Mafia wiki and to me it seemed like I was the cop.
Why did I clear Palmer and eJawa?
Again Ive never played Mafia before so I just assumed No suspicious activity meant he was a Rebel, same with eJawa. I would have assumed that had I gotten Suspicious activity that meant they were a Hutt.
Why didnt the Hutts kill me?
Why would they when Ive made myself this suspicious already? I can do the job just fine in getting myself detained where they dont have to kill me.
Matt Attack
Member
I think Setre's explanation is believable- I can imagine somebody making this mistake if they've never played Mafia before. If that claim is false than I dunno, but for obvious reasons it's not really a good idea to think along those lines. For now, I don't think Setre is exceptionally suspicious.
Sorry to keep asking questions, but I want to be 100% clear here: When you say "watch someone and get a report back on suspicious activity" do you mean activity they do or activity done to them? Because you sound more like a watcher based on the flavor. If it's unclear can you PM matty and ask him to clarify?
If you are a watcher you should be watching the person you think will be killed, not the most suspicious.
johnnyquicknives
Member
The thing that swung me towards trusting Setre yesterday was the fact the he described himself as the 'last' rebel officer. It's a small detail but it's an oddly specific (or incredibly smartly manipulative) thing to have made up.
Aside from Rymuth, who was completely inactive, I don't think I'd judge people for not voting as long as they were talking yesterday. The day ended pretty suddenly, so I can see how people who were holding out/indecisive wouldn't have gotten time to put a vote in.
A couple of people have mentioned how much they trust redhood, based on only his first 3/4 posts and I really can't see what in those posts makes him trustworthy. The closest thing I can find is where he states:
That seems like it's something taken from the description from an ordinary rebel
but its actually a lot closer to the description of the undercover imperial
If there is a more persuasive reason that people have for believing him i'm open to hearing it but for now:
VOTE: redhood56
Aside from Rymuth, who was completely inactive, I don't think I'd judge people for not voting as long as they were talking yesterday. The day ended pretty suddenly, so I can see how people who were holding out/indecisive wouldn't have gotten time to put a vote in.
A couple of people have mentioned how much they trust redhood, based on only his first 3/4 posts and I really can't see what in those posts makes him trustworthy. The closest thing I can find is where he states:
That seems like it's something taken from the description from an ordinary rebel
but its actually a lot closer to the description of the undercover imperial
If there is a more persuasive reason that people have for believing him i'm open to hearing it but for now:
VOTE: redhood56
Matt Attack
Member
I'm not sure about this. Yes, it's closer to the Undercover Imperial wording, but it's also not difficult to believe why redhood may have worded it the way he did- it's a pretty natural way of saying that voting is your only ability. As others have stated, the fact that he knew the specific name of the basic villager role on the first day makes me inclined to believe that he is indeed an Ordinary Rebel (unless the name of the role was revealed elsewhere beforehand, in which case it's not necessarily a reason to either trust or suspect him).
I'm not saying that you're absolutely 100% wrong (I don't have enough information to say for sure of course), but I don't believe it's compelling enough to justify detainment.
At the moment I think Quantumbro is the second Agent. First he role claims and on the second day he warns us about a thief to keep the player who received the shield quiet about it. Quite convenient for him.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
How do we even know he gave a shield out? For all we know he may not even have a shield or gun at all simply just saying that he needs the person who received it to be quiet when in reality there was no one?
Sorry. Probably did not make it clear. But that is exactly what I am thinking. He may be just lying about it.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
vote: Palmer
Even if he is a neutral I just don't see why we would keep him here. Unless he role claimed and tells us what he is than no, sorry.
Even if he is a neutral I just don't see why we would keep him here. Unless he role claimed and tells us what he is than no, sorry.
OceanicAir
Member
That was a crazy night yesterday if am to believe everything that everybody said at least. I really hope that LoC was the reason (even though I still have my doubts because why would town blindly shoot at night?) why to people died on the first night. And I can't be too upset that people suspected Blarg enough to have him lynched but I am slightly disturbed at how quickly those votes came in to finish him off.
I was worried about Setre saying that they are a cop and then switching over to a watcher role post-Blarg's death citing confusion which is also a good cover for a imperial/hutt. But as more time goes by it would be increasingly harder to guess what random people did overnight.
Palmer also is a worry with the fact that he is a neutral role with additional info because some of his voting has been amazingly erratic. At one point in the last day he voted three different people in the space of an hour and went back and forth on a dime regarding Blarg. Although due to the fact that we only have to remove Hutt members and not just have town remaining makes me feel that it is okay to leave him alone for now at least. Of course, he could be the last undercover imperial/hutt which could also explain why nothing was found the first day and would provide good covering long-term.
QuantumBro could be lying about the whole being an armourer thing but that would be an exceptionally bold plan to expect the fact that things would get so muddled that he would be forced to "send" it to an unknown person and lie about having a shield.
So while these people could be suspicious, (Palmer>Setre>Quantum for me at least) the only way to clear them is time. But Rymuth really needs to start posting again or be replaced because the inactivity would be a problem.
I was worried about Setre saying that they are a cop and then switching over to a watcher role post-Blarg's death citing confusion which is also a good cover for a imperial/hutt. But as more time goes by it would be increasingly harder to guess what random people did overnight.
Palmer also is a worry with the fact that he is a neutral role with additional info because some of his voting has been amazingly erratic. At one point in the last day he voted three different people in the space of an hour and went back and forth on a dime regarding Blarg. Although due to the fact that we only have to remove Hutt members and not just have town remaining makes me feel that it is okay to leave him alone for now at least. Of course, he could be the last undercover imperial/hutt which could also explain why nothing was found the first day and would provide good covering long-term.
QuantumBro could be lying about the whole being an armourer thing but that would be an exceptionally bold plan to expect the fact that things would get so muddled that he would be forced to "send" it to an unknown person and lie about having a shield.
So while these people could be suspicious, (Palmer>Setre>Quantum for me at least) the only way to clear them is time. But Rymuth really needs to start posting again or be replaced because the inactivity would be a problem.
johnnyquicknives
Member
I'm kind of reluctant to comment on this but since the discussion is heading that way it's going to be inevitable.
I don't think he is undercover. If he is then why would he first say he is a very strong Rebel role (making him a target), and then the next day say he has lost the one bit of protection that he had from a night time kill?
So he's fully Imperial or he's telling the truth in my opinion. I'm still not convinced but I don't think he's undercover.
I see. That makes sense. You are probably right and he is not the second agent. I still don't trust him.
Ummm... this is getting good.
That's an amazing catch Johnny, did not pick up on that at all.
Yep, it's why I think the shielded person should confirm in spite of the potential thief. But I do worry that if he's telling the truth we've wasted two armorers for nothing.
Yep, it's why I think the shielded person should confirm in spite of the potential thief. But I do worry that if he's telling the truth we've wasted two armorers for nothing.
Setre
Member
It's activity they perform.
Thanks for clarifying. I buy your story, so if you're a scum and this is an elaborate ruse, good job!
I believe I am the first person to reveal as an ordinary rebel. I couldn't copy the flavor test but my post sounding closer to an undercover imperial was completely coincidental.
You may have been the first person to claim being an ordinary rebel, but you weren't the first to use that term. That would be johnnyquicknives.
I see my bad.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
First of all if you did get the Shield, say you got it. Quantum obviously knows there is a thief out there and probably knows who it is. If he's telling the truth he would tell us and we would be able to block the thief, and kill them. No?
AbsolutBro
Member
Quantum: what was the message you got for your shield disappearing? What is definitively stolen instead of used up, perhaps? (i.e., someone tried to kill you last night?)
QuantumBro
Banned
Sorry for not being too active so far; the next few weeks are going to be hell for me with projects, finals, and graduation, but I'll try my best to post once every 24 hours.
Well I'm just going to post the message I recieved last night and see what everyone else thinks of it (I think I'm allowed to do that since Blarg (RIP) did it yesterday)
Now I could be misreading this, but I think it's alluding to a thief since the shield didn't break, but was stolen from me. That's why I warned against revealing who got the shield last night. I continue to warn the person against revealing their identity, since the only person that action serves to help, is myself, by confirming the existence of my role and the thief.
Well I'm just going to post the message I recieved last night and see what everyone else thinks of it (I think I'm allowed to do that since Blarg (RIP) did it yesterday)
Now I could be misreading this, but I think it's alluding to a thief since the shield didn't break, but was stolen from me. That's why I warned against revealing who got the shield last night. I continue to warn the person against revealing their identity, since the only person that action serves to help, is myself, by confirming the existence of my role and the thief.
Matt Attack
Member
Don't read too much into this, because it's the kind of small thing that could really easily be unimportant, but Johnny didn't capitalize "ordinary", whereas redhood treated "Ordinary Rebel" as a proper noun. Redhood's style here displays a strong confidence in knowing the name of the role. If, hypothetically, redhood is not an Ordinary Rebel, and he role claimed based on Johnny's mention of the "ordinary Rebel", I don't think that he could have role claimed with as much confidence in the role's name as he did.
Capitalization is a really easy thing to muck up, so this might not be the most reliable thing to focus on, but this was still worth mentioning. Personally, I'm still leaning towards redhood's role claim being true.
I dunno. I'll admit, I don't want to get too meta with my deductions in the first place (It felt cheap suspecting Setre because he made a Seer claim after we just saw a Seer go down, under a different name). However, the way he worded "I'm only good for voting" doesn't seem like a reason to vote for him. Role abilities are generally called "powers," anyway; the only suspicion I have here is that Redhood's probably played the game before, and that I have no reason to outwardly suspect him.
I know, right? Counting cockroaches and mosquitos, I'm pretty sure that Animal Crossing has a higher death toll than Star Wars, too; this doesn't make sense!
Weird. However, wouldn't it be good if someone outed themselves as having the shield, since only the Thief could have one at the moment?
QuantumBro
Banned
Well that depends on what side the thief is on. If they're a Hutt, there's no reason for them not to keep stealing shield from rebels even though they can't use them.
Neutrals give us votes if it helps them meet their win conditions, too. However, they might have their own win conditions, so some clarity'd be nice.
AbsolutBro
Member
He did. If we believe him, or rather, if he's telling the truth, Palmer is basically on our side. If we lose, he also loses.
Zippedpinhead
Member
But that makes me wonder, which win condition takes precedence? Or is it possible for not the rebels and his neutral character to win?
I can trust him, Palmer brings a lot of insight to our side. But until I have a better handle on what his end game is, I'm leery. I agree with you on one thing, right now he is better alive than dead.
It's impossible for me to win if Rebels don't win. I can't win sooner than the rebels, but I can LOSE sooner.
My thoughts on the remaining players:
Traube: Rebel. No doubt about that.
Redhood56: Probably Rebel
Palmer_v1: Probably Neutral. Don't think we gain much by keeping him. Candidate to detain.
CzarTim: Probably Rebel.
OceanicAir: Still have my doubts about him. Candidate to detain.
Barrylocke: No strong opinion about him.
Zippedpinhead: Something he said caught my attention. Possible Empire player. But could be totally wrong about it. Don't think we should detain him yet.
AbsolutBro: No strong opinion about him.
Johnnyquickknives: Probably Rebel.
TheWorthyEdge: Probably Rebel.
Matt Attack: No strong opinion about him.
Quantumbro: Very suspicious. Candidate to detain.
Zubz: Probably Rebel.
Raindoc: Hard to read. But at the moment I think we can keep him.
ejawa: Probably Rebel.
Setre: Kinda suspicious. But I believe his story at the moment.
Makai: No strong opinion about him.
Rymuth: ?
Traube: Rebel. No doubt about that.
Redhood56: Probably Rebel
Palmer_v1: Probably Neutral. Don't think we gain much by keeping him. Candidate to detain.
CzarTim: Probably Rebel.
OceanicAir: Still have my doubts about him. Candidate to detain.
Barrylocke: No strong opinion about him.
Zippedpinhead: Something he said caught my attention. Possible Empire player. But could be totally wrong about it. Don't think we should detain him yet.
AbsolutBro: No strong opinion about him.
Johnnyquickknives: Probably Rebel.
TheWorthyEdge: Probably Rebel.
Matt Attack: No strong opinion about him.
Quantumbro: Very suspicious. Candidate to detain.
Zubz: Probably Rebel.
Raindoc: Hard to read. But at the moment I think we can keep him.
ejawa: Probably Rebel.
Setre: Kinda suspicious. But I believe his story at the moment.
Makai: No strong opinion about him.
Rymuth: ?
I meant Neutrals in general, though. Raindoc was asking why we should bother keeping any of them.
I hope it's that guy who quoted Nux back from the main thread!
dammit traube I was writing this post when you had to go steal my thunder.
I don't expect everyone to have 100+ posts, but currently 7 of 18 players have less posts than the person moderating the game. Not talking helps mafia. Far too many people aren't contributing their thoughts at all.
Here are my thoughts on currently alive players:
Palmer_v1 - given we only had 1 nk, not too worried about him right now. But of course he would tell us his win coincides with town, that doesn't mean it's true.
Rymuth - hopefully replaced today, otherwise would vote.
Zippedpinhead - Not really contributing a lot. Mostly just flying under the radar. Would like him to actually post who he thinks is scum. Would vote.
Barrylocke - Same as Zipp.
OceanicAir - Barely contributing, and what's there isn't of much substance. Would vote.
redhood56 - His posts in a vacuum do not bode well for him at all. He has barely contributed at all. I guess the question is whether it would be worth a gambit to guess the role name on day one? Might vote, but not today. Mostly because I kind of believe him.
Matt Attack - Being out of the country doesn't necessarily mean he isn't scum. But I'd like to give him some more time.
QuantumBro - Whole scenario is strange and QB has done little to defend him extremely questionable decisions.
eJawa - Getting a pretty neutral read on him, slightly leaning town.
Makai - Getting a pretty neutral read on him, slightly leaning town.
raindoc - even though he hasn't been contributing a lot, he's pinging me as town.
Setre - I kind of buy his story, mostly because I feel like if he were scum he would have come out of the gate with an explanation, instead he continued to confused about his role until Matty clarified. Could be a ruse, but I'm not feeling it.
traube - Pinging me as town, really wants OA dead
AbsolutBro - Scum hunting a good bit
TheWorthyEdge - Currently buy the combat buddy story.
Zubz - See above.
johnnyquicknives - Current town mvp imo. Pushing discussion forward.
I don't expect everyone to have 100+ posts, but currently 7 of 18 players have less posts than the person moderating the game. Not talking helps mafia. Far too many people aren't contributing their thoughts at all.
Here are my thoughts on currently alive players:
Palmer_v1 - given we only had 1 nk, not too worried about him right now. But of course he would tell us his win coincides with town, that doesn't mean it's true.
Rymuth - hopefully replaced today, otherwise would vote.
Zippedpinhead - Not really contributing a lot. Mostly just flying under the radar. Would like him to actually post who he thinks is scum. Would vote.
Barrylocke - Same as Zipp.
OceanicAir - Barely contributing, and what's there isn't of much substance. Would vote.
redhood56 - His posts in a vacuum do not bode well for him at all. He has barely contributed at all. I guess the question is whether it would be worth a gambit to guess the role name on day one? Might vote, but not today. Mostly because I kind of believe him.
Matt Attack - Being out of the country doesn't necessarily mean he isn't scum. But I'd like to give him some more time.
QuantumBro - Whole scenario is strange and QB has done little to defend him extremely questionable decisions.
eJawa - Getting a pretty neutral read on him, slightly leaning town.
Makai - Getting a pretty neutral read on him, slightly leaning town.
raindoc - even though he hasn't been contributing a lot, he's pinging me as town.
Setre - I kind of buy his story, mostly because I feel like if he were scum he would have come out of the gate with an explanation, instead he continued to confused about his role until Matty clarified. Could be a ruse, but I'm not feeling it.
traube - Pinging me as town, really wants OA dead
AbsolutBro - Scum hunting a good bit
TheWorthyEdge - Currently buy the combat buddy story.
Zubz - See above.
johnnyquicknives - Current town mvp imo. Pushing discussion forward.
BTW contributing doesn't mean making posts, it means having opinions on who you think is town or scum. We very likely could have 4 hutts left (at least) and it's day 3 of this game. Surely everyone has SOME opinion on everyone else. Of course some of those opinions will be hilariously wrong, but posting your opinions helps others get a good read on you and helps town form opinions.
A lot of filler content I've read is just people reiterating things that happen with limited commentary. It's very easy for mafia to get by with just "Gee golly, a lot is going on. What's up with all that?" and never actually stating anything definitive.
A lot of filler content I've read is just people reiterating things that happen with limited commentary. It's very easy for mafia to get by with just "Gee golly, a lot is going on. What's up with all that?" and never actually stating anything definitive.
Of the people with role claims, Quantumbro is the only person whose story I don't buy.
The only reason a Hutt might claim that role is to use the gun handouts to try and explain double kill nights.
The counterpoint to that is that we've only had 1 extra Night kill so far, and I'm fairly certain that was LoC.
More likely he's just using this as cover for a different role, like Blarg was.
The only reason a Hutt might claim that role is to use the gun handouts to try and explain double kill nights.
The counterpoint to that is that we've only had 1 extra Night kill so far, and I'm fairly certain that was LoC.
More likely he's just using this as cover for a different role, like Blarg was.
Yeah. "Filler" posts are something I did a lot in the last game.