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Star Wars Mafia |OT| A Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy
- Thread starter MattyG
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johnnyquicknives
Member
My post was very tongue in cheek. It's not always that you actually want to see the random person detained, it's that you want to see them, and others, react. The only way that that will really work is if theres the genuine threat of being detained. If we choose a random number and all agree to go with it we learn nothing from the discussions.
Like LoC said above the way we will catch people is by noticing slips, inconsistencies and eventually collusions. The more we talk the better it is for the Rebels.
Setre
Member
They could buy why would they at this point unless it targets one of them and if they object, well that makes that person suspicious doesn't it? I'm not saying we use this the entire time when we're unsure I'm simply suggesting we use it now, for the first day only.
Yes, but who are we going to trust to generate the number? You? I don't suspect you, but I am 100% against letting a potential Hutt determine who we detain under the guise of randomness.
johnnyquicknives
Member
It's not even about trust. Completely random detaining is absolutely no help, we aren't doing it thinking that we actually get lucky and hit a Hutt (although that would be awesome). We are only making the sacrifice because, in the long term, the information we get from the discussions surrounding it is worth the trade off, doing it at random and losing the discussions removes the benefit.
Setre
Member
Well we could always use the random number generator to pick the person who picks the person we vote for. If that person happens to be a Hutt Operative, well, I guess the Force wouldn't be with us!
That's sarcasm btw.
What you're saying makes sense Makai I was just trying to give us an alternative way to vote on the first day.
AbsolutBro
Member
I kind of see the opposite. As we have seen, talky people tend to get murdered early on. So either he was willingly taking a huge risk to get the game going, or he knows he wouldn't be murdered by the hutts for speaking up.
Lord of Castamere
Member
Exactly, the main deal here is not getting lucky with a Hutt hit. It's seeing how everyone reacts to the Detaining.
Real threat needs to exist if you want real reactions though.
Relatively common, yes.
Also, there can be variations that are Hutts without knowing who the other Hutts are, and vice versa, but there probably wouldn't be more than one.
In my opinion, there are anywhere between 3-6 Hutts. The more there are, the weaker their roles probably are. 4-5 with a few power roles is my guess.
Neutral roles exist as well. There's also probably 1 or 2, that don't specifically care about Hutts or Rebels. Their win conditions can vary wildly, but they normally don't end the game if they achieve their goal. As an example, Karkador was a serial killer last game that had to kill each night, and won if he was one of the last 3 alive. You could also have a survivor that only needs to last a certain number of days to escape and win. You could also have Neutral roles that have a quota of some kind to meet. There's a Piper we use sometimes that basically picks someone every night to add to his dancers, and he wins if everyone alive is under his control. We also like a Babysitter role, who only wins if they can keep a specific self-destructive role alive.
Definitely going to be at least 1 bounty Hunter, who I'd assume is Neutral. There's no way MattyG made this game without including AT LEAST 1. They probably need to find and kill someone specific to win.
On the other hand, they might already know their target, but can't act directly. This was my biggest concern with TB, but obviously that did not pan out. I still don't want him lynched, but we'll see what happens as the game goes on. I don't have strong feelings about anything yet. I'd vote if I did. Making any assumptions is dangerous. We spent 3/4 of the last game assuming a Cop would eventually jump in to provide info when they never even existed.
Can't say for sure how aggressive MattyG has gone with this game though. I'm curious to see if we have two deaths tonight or not.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
4 empire 1 Neutral is what I'm thinking.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
Part of me thinks there's two. 1 sided with hutts and one sided with no one.
That would be an interesting dynamic.
Why do you think that, out of curiosity?
TheWorthyEdge
Member
Yeah, I don't know but I thought it would be pretty cool
TheWorthyEdge
Member
Seriously though I would have absolutely know way of knowing I was just looking at things that'd be interesting! Seriously.
That would mean three night kills which seems unbalanced unless some of them are limited use.
Blargonaut
Banned
All this talk of necessary evil and cold murder; the day is young, the suns are out, let's LIVE a little you bastards
Look I made a sand castle!
I used my water ration
Look I made a sand castle!
I used my water ration
Blargonaut
Banned
Looking at the three players with the fewest posts:
This is Rymuth's only post and it's super weird. He doesn't post at all during the TB thing, but then comes in after to say "I was going to vote for you -- but I won't -- but I may!" This isn't contributing at all.
Vote: Rymuth
I'd like you to contribute more if you want me to move my vote. Who should we vote and why?
Zubz hasn't posted at all since the game officially started. And Matt Attack says he has spotty wifi, which is ok for now.
This is Rymuth's only post and it's super weird. He doesn't post at all during the TB thing, but then comes in after to say "I was going to vote for you -- but I won't -- but I may!" This isn't contributing at all.
Vote: Rymuth
I'd like you to contribute more if you want me to move my vote. Who should we vote and why?
Zubz hasn't posted at all since the game officially started. And Matt Attack says he has spotty wifi, which is ok for now.
Blargonaut
Banned
TheWorthyEdge
Member
Zubz only posted on first page, and never again. I think if we do vote someone that hasnt posted in a bit he's my first choice.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=1047199
Zubz is the most inactive. His only post is a pre-game joke.
Zubz is the most inactive. His only post is a pre-game joke.
Looks like he hasn't been on GAF at all today from his profile. Hopefully he shows up soon.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
Unvote: Swamped
Vote: Zubz
Vote: Zubz
QuantumBro
Banned
All this talk of necessary evil and cold murder; the day is young, the suns are out, let's LIVE a little you bastards
Look I made a sand castle!
I used my water ration
How could you? Don't you know there's a drought going on?
#wakeuptatooine #droughtshaming
Let's wait until Monday before going after inactives.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
This is just for now. I don't want someone here that doesn't discuss. If he makes a comeback, and contributes well then I will unvote.
I think this is a bad vote right now. I'd like Zub to at least have a chance to come online today.
I'm specifically voting Rymuth because I think his one post is not helpful, and I'd like to hear from him
TheWorthyEdge
Member
Its just a "placeholder" type of vote. It's not final. If he comes in and does something to contribute I will unvote instantaneously.
Yeah, I agree and I want to wait even later. We have until Wednesday to make a decision.
Blargonaut
Banned
omg we're all gonna die on this stupid planet aren't we
I don't want to die
Protect me, keep me alive tonight, SOMEONE, anyone!
I'll do anything, grant you favours
Twi'lek favours
I don't want to die
Protect me, keep me alive tonight, SOMEONE, anyone!
I'll do anything, grant you favours
Twi'lek favours
AbsolutBro
Member
Are you stalking me? I just got out of that thread. XD
Also: current vote standings:
TWE - Barrylocke
swamped - traube, LoC
Exmac - TB20xx
Rymuth - CzarTim
Zubz - TWE
Hopefully you all get my shorthand. I'm headed out to eat so in a bit of a hurry. Wanted to check in though, cause this thread is moving fast.
Hey guys! Sorry, I was just scavenging those sweet, sweet Tatooine Berries... Which apparently do not exist. Go figure. (I actually had a busy day all day, and was out last night when Matty sent the roles out).
Anyway, after catching up, I'm seeing a lot of hostility here over nothing. I'm personally a "No Need to Detain Day 1" kind of player, so unless someone's really standing out to me, I'm not going to jump on anyone.Not even Barrylocke
Based on the popular votes, I don't distrust Worthy, even with that nomination for me. I'll admit, Terrabyte seems like he's going off on his own agenda, but I don't think he's on the Empire side. Honestly, I'm cool with all of you right now. But yeah, I'm alive, I was just busy for the past 24 hours.
Anyway, after catching up, I'm seeing a lot of hostility here over nothing. I'm personally a "No Need to Detain Day 1" kind of player, so unless someone's really standing out to me, I'm not going to jump on anyone.
Based on the popular votes, I don't distrust Worthy, even with that nomination for me. I'll admit, Terrabyte seems like he's going off on his own agenda, but I don't think he's on the Empire side. Honestly, I'm cool with all of you right now. But yeah, I'm alive, I was just busy for the past 24 hours.
Speak of the devil! No worries, real life comes first!
Blargonaut
Banned
It's fiiiine, I did some scouting and found an abandoned moisture farm nearby, near-full tanks and everything
Tastes like ashes though
Water we gonna do with you? baduhmtshIt's fiiiine, I did some scouting and found an abandoned moisture farm nearby, near-full tanks and everything
Tastes like ashes though
johnnyquicknives
Member
It's fiiiine, I did some scouting and found an abandoned moisture farm nearby, near-full tanks and everything
Tastes like ashes though
You want to comment on the game alongside any of your flavour text? You've made a few posts now without getting involved in the game at all. Keeping visible without really saying anything is always a bit suspicious in my eyes.
johnnyquicknives
Member
Actually you do say your holding off until everyone posts, so thats fair enough just now i guess.
It's fiiiine, I did some scouting and found an abandoned moisture farm nearby, near-full tanks and everything
Tastes like ashes though
What an ash-hole!
I mean, (s)he might just be having fun while waiting before jumping on anyone (I mean, I got targeted before (s)he did, so I'd say silliness is safer than silence), but I've played games of Werewolf where people had to do flavor text-related stuff before doing anything relevant, anyway. For all we know, everything (s)he's saying is just as important as an accusation!
Besides, we're one day into the first day; all we've had is some unreadable jumpiness, anyway.
Blargonaut
Banned
Blargonaut
Banned
*cough* 23 18 M:05/D:04/---- DECT, N LYN *cough*
Blargonaut
Banned
HahhahYhahahaLYNhaa
How exciting!
How exciting!
And how do we find inconsistencies? By putting pressure on people to post more. That's not bullying, that's part of the game. I haven't seen any personal attacks, only questions about their content. Which is exactly what the Rebels should be looking at. If you're waiting for people to get caught in a lie, be prepared to wait a long time. Questioning intent is our main source of information right now.
My fear right now is we are going to be too indecisive on the whole no detain / random detain / suspect detain debate and make a rash last-minute decision. Obviously we still have a few days, but the more divided we are, the more power the Hutts have when voting.