traube: You did not piss me off, sorry if it seemed that way. I got really frustrated with this game yesterday because it seems like most people are just skimming the thread and not really contributing. Forum mafia breaks down when people don't post. It's one of the reasons I'm okay with an OA vote today. At worst we are losing the rebel with the least amount of posts outside of YesNo, who replaced in, and we go into tomorrow knowing 3-4 of the 10-11 remaining players are Hutts.
I don't blame you for your thoughts -- though I do expect a handwritten apology note when you see you're wrong
. I don't think it's a coincidence we are focusing on the few people actually giving opinions. At this point the Hutts could just make one or two posts a day and watch us tear each other apart.
zipp: I do not think you are a Hutt because you said Mak was a rebel. As someone in a similar position, I know that can be a frustrating mistake.
What set my alarm bells off wrt to this post:
I posted regular rebel because I wasn't thinking about it. I didn't think that grammar and exact text would matter at the time. I just saw a bunch of people start voting for me, and all I am is an ordinary rebel. As much as makai and czartim are anyways
Is the way I read those last two lines at the time, which was you saying "I am an ordinary rebel. Mak and Czar claim to be Ordinary Rebels too. This cannot be proven though." Keep in mind the context here too, as Mak had just claimed OR. Also this post followed:
I'm not going for myself, I'm as ordinary a rebel as anyone else.
Which I feel supports my read.
This post happened during the day three craziness so I did not have a lot of time to process it, but it really surprised me at the time because I had not claimed. At the time I thought you had either:
A) Mistaken me for redhood, who had claimed OR.
B) Understood me defending redhood for saying he was an OR. As you are an Ordinary Rebel as well, you should have picked up on this too.
I figured the cat was out of the bag at this point, and claimed OR in my role list a few posts later.
The ONLY reason your post even came up again for me was because I was reading through all of Mak's posts to see who he defended / attacked. That's when this exchange caught my eye:
Want to respond to this, before anything else. Could not so on Day 1. So this has nothing to do with anything that happened during the night.
I agree with you. redhood56 is a Rebel in my book. Quite sure about that. Same goes for you, because I assume you came to that conclusion the same way I did.
So I'd suggest that we three form a circle of trust. Maybe vote together as long as we are alive.
Should one of us be Empire this would of course bite us all in the ass.
Now traube and I weren't exactly being subtle with our posts, but Mak's post indicates that the Hutts knew about ORs early on. Since it behooves them to take out power roles first, they surely discussed who they think is an OR and not. The fact that Palmer did not pick up on redhood's claim is why I think they targeted him on night two. It was clear he had some kind of role.
I think it's *possible* you slipped up there and had discussed that I am likely an OR in the mafia chat and accidently posted it in this thread. If this was my only reading of you this game, I'd write it off as nothing. But I feel like this whole game you've been a bit slippery.
Your response was this:
Because at the time I was (and am) convinced you are a rebel. I thought makai was a rebel at the time as well.
Opinions change on some, become more convincing on others. I really didn't think that the text that I used to describe my rebelness to everyone would be under such scrutiny. Of course if you turn out hutt, then I will feel like a giant idiot
Note zipp saying he is convinced I am a rebel.
Less than a day later:
I don't think he can, if Mattyg tells us that only item dispersal switches then that means that oceanicair could be telling the truth. If he tells us that everything switches then it Means that some one posted that Palmer was the target night 2 early... before anyone but the mafia would have known who the real target that night was
I have a theory going that there are two mafia left (not including the imperial spy dude). One is a high poster in this thread (similar to pants and traube last game) and the other is a low-medium poster (I would fall in that category, but RNH and lord of castemere were this last game)
I have more to support this feeling, but to say anymore gives away one of them.
When I called you out for only posting the theory after multiple requests and not following up on the "someone knew palmer was targeted early" post, you responded:
Yeah I posted that when I was trying to bait you out on where the johnnyquicknives swapper job wasn't confirmed. Originally I was going to post you and absolutbro, you didn't buy it so I only went with my secondary. I might flip to oceanicair, but not based on your posting.
I am not sure how this was supposed to bait me other than succeeding in making me reread day three twice for no reason.
Now you are voting for me, but tbh it feels like you are setting yourself up to say "see I didn't defend two hutts in one post, defending Mak was a mistake." It also feels like you are trying to get heat off OA, only voting for him once it became inevitable. Just like you only voted for Mak once it became inevitable yesterday.
I think it's possible you really are an OR, and you just feel like you're backed in a corner. But imo it's more likely that you are just trying to stay out of the voting chair by any means possible. For the same reason you say you voted for redhood day three even though you thought he was an OR:
We are both ordinary rebels, so a vote for either of us is both wrong, but just as correct.
"Anyone but me." Which is a Hutt mindset.
