I noticed that Lord of Castamere was the only one that voted for Czar at first. He was Hutt-eliminated that night.
Later on, Zipped voted for Czar, the only other one that did so. Then OA voted for Zipped. Then Czar drove Zipped off the cliff.
This utterly ridiculous to the point that I laughed when I read it. Come on, dude.
You need to read this wiki page, because a lot of your arguments / cases so far seem to ignore it:
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=WIFOM
Not only that, it's factually inaccurate. I was suspicious of zipp day one and voted for him. I said I was very suspicious of him day three. I said I thought he was a Hutt before he even voted for me day five. Was I inconsistent with my feelings?
Which is a little funny seeing how he championed his last vote as a "pro-town" push....
I didn't though. I said finding the thief was the pro-town vote. I said everyone should vote for who they think is the thief. I also said I thought zipp was the thief, and that was obviously wrong, but I really just wanted to find the thief.
Yeah, yeah, sure. Everyone theorizes and makes mistakes and of course he is sowwy.
For the millionth time this game, being wrong doesn't equal scum. You are going to be wrong more than you're right in mafia. I know for a fact you are wrong about me. What can you do when you're wrong other than apologize?
The only thing that matters in mafia is intent. I wrote over a thousand words on why I thought zipp was scum. Do you think I was insincere? Do you think I was forcing a bad argument to get someone lynched? Why would I do that as scum? Could a town member reasonably get that wrong?
If you come away from all of that thinking, "Yes, a scum would make that argument" then okay, but basing your case on me being wrong one day after being right three days in a row is just not a good case.
We had two for two since I joined up and you can check my voting patterns, and see which two HUTT names came up solid. And I dont flip flop. I dont mind people who does really (I think it's a valid play style)........ but not my style.
Big noooooooope to this you had zero sway over either of those Hutt votes and the fact that you are trying to use it as street cred is dumb. You were a new player who went along with the rest of town each day. Also you did flip flop day four on OA when everyone else backed off.
I think you are cool, and I think you have the ability to be a good mafia player. It's clear you are already putting more thought into the game than most players do. I'm not trying to take away from what you've done this game, but I do not think it's fair to use the fact that you replaced in at a time when we had actual evidence as proof you've always been right.
I dont think he's actively going after the Hutts. I think if you guys go back and see his timing on casting his final votes, you can tell that they were safely cast once their fates were almost certain.
Nope, I spent all day four pushing Mak on his b.s. and all day five maintaining the OA vote even though others were wavering.
4) CzarTim. Why are you still alive? You're running this game. You're manufacturing opinions with your posts. You're the most dangerous player and - IMHO - in any other Mafia game but this you would've been killed days ago.
Unless, of course, you are Mafia.
CT is a cunning player who knows what he's doing... and he led us here, into this shitty position. Beginning with his insistence on lynching on Day 1, ending with his campaign against Zipped yesterday - he helped bringing the rebels down like noone else.
My vote goes to either CzarTim or redhood today. I'm leaning heavily towards CzarTim and I hope you guys follow me for once.
Yeah why wouldn't the Hutts kill someone people thought was the IA when they could kill confirmed roles that weren't the IA? A true mystery of our time. There's like a zero percent chance I'll be night killed at this point with people so suspicious of me.
You're done nothing all game but play Captain Hindsight and get angry that we didn't chose your completely wrong way of playing over someone else's completely wrong way of playing. It feels like you've only skimmed this thread as posts have come in, and put zero thought or effort into the game other than the most surface level reads. Your the kid who huffs in the corner when you don't get your way. Well mafia is a team sport. If you can't manage to convince half the town of something, there's probably a good reason for it. Either make a better case or stop acting indignant.
If we lose this game it will be because most of our town power roles completely imploded or misplayed on day one and two. I had nothing to do with any of that. If we had played your way LoC would have never shot swamped, and we would have never caught Mak and OA in a lie. I've by no means been perfect, but acting like you've been right from the start is crazy talk.
The only two people who didn't find zipp suspicious yesterday were Palmer (who never said why other than gut feeling) and Yesno (who was on the fence.) If 80% of the town feel a certain way, there's probably a good reason for it right or wrong.
So let me ask you, if the top two suspects yesterday were zipp and redhood and today's are redhood and me, why would I push so hard for zipp yesterday? Shouldn't I have just gone along with redhood vote and push zipp today? What's the difference? Unless redhood and I are on the scum team together, it doesn't. Is that what you think?
All game you've never given me credit when I was right, only docked me when I was wrong. As much as I appreciate that you think I'm some Machiavellian puppet master, I am just not that good as scum. I wish I was, but I'm not.
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I wasn't kidding when I said I'm super sick. Sitting up for this long hurts, so I'm done posting for a bit. Still following the thread from my ipad. Do what you feel is best.