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That was one hell of a spoiler!
Escape Goat
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Escape Goat
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Padme better get tored up because if they can save Anakin from that and not her. :lol
Escape Goat
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Claus said:
Anakin brought balance to the Force by killing all the Jedi. He did what he was prophecied to do.
I didn't think that was going to happen but it sure would be sweet.shantyman said:
Ghost said:
Yoda = Emperor
Darth = Obi
I'm speculating that at the end of Episode 3 that is the balance. It holds out through part 4 and 5 as Obi gets replaced by Luke. At the end of Jedi Yoda and the Emperor are both gone but so is Darth leaving only Luke so I'm not sure how that is still balanced?
ManDudeChild
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shantyman said:
Does Yoda school him then?
ManDudeChild said:
No,
Obi Wan and Anakin fight to a standstill, and eventually Obi Wan gets the upper hand and cuts off both of anakin's legs at the knees and his left arm. Anakin tumbles onto a "lavabank" and begs for help, but Obi Wan says he could not save him.
The lines are:
"You were the chosen one! It was said you would destroy The Sith, not join them. It was you who would bring balance to The Force, not leave it in darkness. You were my brother, Anakin," says Obi-Wan. "I loved you, but I could not save you."
He leaves anakin, because even putting him out of his misery would be "against the Jedi way."
The lines are:
"You were the chosen one! It was said you would destroy The Sith, not join them. It was you who would bring balance to The Force, not leave it in darkness. You were my brother, Anakin," says Obi-Wan. "I loved you, but I could not save you."
He leaves anakin, because even putting him out of his misery would be "against the Jedi way."
Do The Mario
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Ghost said:
Neither is fox news, I dont see you bitching bout that.
radioheadrule83
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If you really wanna know some details of how fights go down:
Ruh Roh!
Chancellor Palpatine reveals to Anakin he's a Sith Lord... Palpatine, having taken Anakin into his confidence and told him of a great Jedi treachery, is not instantly killed upon this revelation. In fact, Anakin needs him. He's been dreaming of Padme's death in much the same way he dreampt of his mother dying in Episode II. Which as we all know, came true. Only this time, we the audience get to see his dreams in film-form. Anakin is panic stricken and wants to avoid this eventuality at all costs.
Luckily for him, depending on your point of view, Palpatine has told him of a Sith Lord called Darth Plaguis "the wise", who learned to cheat death. Anakin wants to learn this power desperately. Despite the knowledge that he might never learn this power if Palpatine is incarcerated or killed, he follows his Jedi training/instinct and goes to his Jedi Masters for help. Palpatine is as cocky as ever and tells him he won't be running anywhere - he says Anakin will see for himself the Jedi's desire to rule over the galaxy.
So Anakin finds Mace Windu. Mace assures him he has it all in hand and that Anakin is to stay where he is while he takes Palpatine under arrest. On arriving at the Chancellor's quarters, the Chancellor reveals himself and kills all of the Jedi instantly by cutting them down -- except Mace Windu. A large battle ensues - and Mace "schools" the would-be Emperor. The fight at the smashed window ledge of Palpatine's quarters. In a desperate attempt Palpatine tries to use the force lightning on Mace, but he is able to deflect with his lightsabre. As the lightning arches back towards Palpatine and he looks to be doomed, his visage/disguise begins to fade and his eyes become weary, but burning with a yellow/red evil. At this point Anakin enters the room, and both Palpatine and Mace enter into a war of words which will decide which side Anakin tips the balance in favor of. Anakin strikes, Palpatine cackles, and it's all downhill from here for all of the Jedi for the rest of the film.
Eventually Yoda ends up back on Coruscant to face the newly annointed Emperor in the Senate chamber, meanwhile Obi Wan goes in search of Anakin. Yoda gives the Emperor a fierce battle (for which Steven Spielberg did some/all animatics by the way) but is struck down to the central podium. Realising he is evenly matched, or even in danger of failing, Yoda calls Bail Organa to assist and escapes the large Empire presence within the city.
Obi Wan has stowed away on Padme's ship after confronting Padme about Anakin's crimes... he knows full well she will lead him to Anakin, when she confronts him in kind. And so as Obi Wan reveals himself to Anakin, a row and a furious battle erupt. It covers all kinds of geography, but eventually the mining complex is compromised and they travel down a river of lava on a freight lift and a worker droid respectively -- fighting all of the way. As they approach a lava-fall, Obi Wan leaps to shore and faces Anakin on the quickly moving platform... he warns Anakin that he now has the higher ground, and tells him not to jump. Anakin says he shouldn't underestimate the dark side of the force, not underestimate his power... he leaps towards Obi Wan and...
Luckily for him, depending on your point of view, Palpatine has told him of a Sith Lord called Darth Plaguis "the wise", who learned to cheat death. Anakin wants to learn this power desperately. Despite the knowledge that he might never learn this power if Palpatine is incarcerated or killed, he follows his Jedi training/instinct and goes to his Jedi Masters for help. Palpatine is as cocky as ever and tells him he won't be running anywhere - he says Anakin will see for himself the Jedi's desire to rule over the galaxy.
So Anakin finds Mace Windu. Mace assures him he has it all in hand and that Anakin is to stay where he is while he takes Palpatine under arrest. On arriving at the Chancellor's quarters, the Chancellor reveals himself and kills all of the Jedi instantly by cutting them down -- except Mace Windu. A large battle ensues - and Mace "schools" the would-be Emperor. The fight at the smashed window ledge of Palpatine's quarters. In a desperate attempt Palpatine tries to use the force lightning on Mace, but he is able to deflect with his lightsabre. As the lightning arches back towards Palpatine and he looks to be doomed, his visage/disguise begins to fade and his eyes become weary, but burning with a yellow/red evil. At this point Anakin enters the room, and both Palpatine and Mace enter into a war of words which will decide which side Anakin tips the balance in favor of. Anakin strikes, Palpatine cackles, and it's all downhill from here for all of the Jedi for the rest of the film.
Eventually Yoda ends up back on Coruscant to face the newly annointed Emperor in the Senate chamber, meanwhile Obi Wan goes in search of Anakin. Yoda gives the Emperor a fierce battle (for which Steven Spielberg did some/all animatics by the way) but is struck down to the central podium. Realising he is evenly matched, or even in danger of failing, Yoda calls Bail Organa to assist and escapes the large Empire presence within the city.
Obi Wan has stowed away on Padme's ship after confronting Padme about Anakin's crimes... he knows full well she will lead him to Anakin, when she confronts him in kind. And so as Obi Wan reveals himself to Anakin, a row and a furious battle erupt. It covers all kinds of geography, but eventually the mining complex is compromised and they travel down a river of lava on a freight lift and a worker droid respectively -- fighting all of the way. As they approach a lava-fall, Obi Wan leaps to shore and faces Anakin on the quickly moving platform... he warns Anakin that he now has the higher ground, and tells him not to jump. Anakin says he shouldn't underestimate the dark side of the force, not underestimate his power... he leaps towards Obi Wan and...
Ruh Roh!
I don't think the balance was ever meant to be interpreted literally. It's not a "one for you, one for me" kinda deal obviously.darscot said:
I'm not sure how the movie and/or book handle it, but in the EU there are certainly plenty of Jedi left after the Clone Wars end. I haven't read them in ages, but I see that the comics will be picking up right after the movie with some remaining Jedi having to decide where to go from there, either fighting the good fight or just disappearing.
IAmtheFMan
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Hey guy, next time do a quick 5 second search for existing threads. K-thx.
soundwave05
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We should just have one Star Wars Episode III thread stickied at the top of the OT forum.
Anyways, the way I see it, the most "powerful" Jedi doesn't always win, just like in sports, the best/most talented team doesn't always win (see the USA Men's Olympic basketball squad).
On Mustafar, Anakin is in a highly emotional/unrational state and it costs him.
Also the "balance of the Force" thing ... any Sith presence causes an imbalance of the Force, because its perversion of the Force.
It's like throwing a stone into a serene lake of water, it causes ripples.
So Anakin does kill Palpatine and turns back the light side of the Force, thus the Sith are eliminated and balance returns to the Force.
The backstory is that Palpatine and other Sith have quietly been passing down the Sith tradition, unknown to the Jedi, for years and years using the "only two master/apprentice" rule, so its been causing the Force to go out of balance.
Anyways, the way I see it, the most "powerful" Jedi doesn't always win, just like in sports, the best/most talented team doesn't always win (see the USA Men's Olympic basketball squad).
On Mustafar, Anakin is in a highly emotional/unrational state and it costs him.
Also the "balance of the Force" thing ... any Sith presence causes an imbalance of the Force, because its perversion of the Force.
It's like throwing a stone into a serene lake of water, it causes ripples.
So Anakin does kill Palpatine and turns back the light side of the Force, thus the Sith are eliminated and balance returns to the Force.
The backstory is that Palpatine and other Sith have quietly been passing down the Sith tradition, unknown to the Jedi, for years and years using the "only two master/apprentice" rule, so its been causing the Force to go out of balance.
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I dont understand why we have "spoiler" in every star wars thread. Everyone knows whats going to happen.
The Bookerman
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Here's how Anakin brought balance, in wierd kind of way:
He killed the jedi: They outnumbered the Sith.
Then there were two on each side: balance
(2 sith: Vader-Sidious 2 jedi : Obi-Wan, Yoda)
Obi-Wan died : Luke became Yoda's apprentice:
(2 sith : Vader-Sidious 2 jedi: Luke , Yoda)
then Yoda died: Thus there wasn't a balance. Anakin Killed Sidious-Palpatine.
In doing so, he brings balance.
Also:
He killed the jedi: They outnumbered the Sith.
Then there were two on each side: balance
(2 sith: Vader-Sidious 2 jedi : Obi-Wan, Yoda)
Obi-Wan died : Luke became Yoda's apprentice:
(2 sith : Vader-Sidious 2 jedi: Luke , Yoda)
then Yoda died: Thus there wasn't a balance. Anakin Killed Sidious-Palpatine.
In doing so, he brings balance.
Also:
There's a scene in the script where Yoda questions the prophecy, if it's been understood correctly.
soundwave05
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The Force is not in balance when Anakin kills the Jedi.
A literal 2 Jedi/2 Sith is not a balanced Force.
Any presence of the Dark Side creates an imbalance of the Force. It's an "unnatural" use of the Force and probably "drains" the Force in ways which are not normal.
Of course the way in which Anakin brings about balance is not exactly I think how Yoda/Obi-Wan could have imagined or would have preferred. I think that's a major point Lucas is raising -- prophecy is one thing, but there's still also the aspect of choosing your own destiny.
A literal 2 Jedi/2 Sith is not a balanced Force.
Any presence of the Dark Side creates an imbalance of the Force. It's an "unnatural" use of the Force and probably "drains" the Force in ways which are not normal.
Of course the way in which Anakin brings about balance is not exactly I think how Yoda/Obi-Wan could have imagined or would have preferred. I think that's a major point Lucas is raising -- prophecy is one thing, but there's still also the aspect of choosing your own destiny.
Anakin has two chances to bring "balance" to the Force, in Episode III he has a chance to kill Palptaine, but doesn't do it. He betrays Mace Windu and the Jedi. The second time, he makes the right choice, which is the one at the end of ROTJ. Thus balance is restored and the Star Wars saga ends
Kung Fu Jedi
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This pic is actually a few months old. Saw it on the web some time ago. Still, it gives you an idea of what to expect after Obi Wan and Anakin duel.
IAmtheFMan
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soundwave05 said:
It's still a little early to throw out an "official" thread since we still have like a month and a couple weeks, but as we get closer I'm sure one of us will (my pics thread has kinda been the unofficial spoiler thread since about last year, but we're getting pretty close to release now.)
Unfortunately, the biggest SW geek at this forum has been banned until AFTER EP:3 opens.
soundwave05
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Might as well have an official thread now though.
The toys are out and the soundtrack is about the be released, so there'd be that to discuss.
It would also save posters from making a new topic every time they want to discuss Star Wars.
Seems like a new thread pops up every day or two, and even if they use the search function they probably wouldn't know which thread to post in since there's so many Star Wars threads.
Early reviews/charity screenings should also begin occuring in about a month. I say why not.
The toys are out and the soundtrack is about the be released, so there'd be that to discuss.
It would also save posters from making a new topic every time they want to discuss Star Wars.
Seems like a new thread pops up every day or two, and even if they use the search function they probably wouldn't know which thread to post in since there's so many Star Wars threads.
Early reviews/charity screenings should also begin occuring in about a month. I say why not.
IAmtheFMan
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To reply to the Balance of the Force thing, here's an excerpt of an interview Lucas did in '99
In other words, this isn't a balance of the number of Sith vs. number of Jedi; it's more along the lines of a balance between the concept of good and evil since the line has been blurred to the point where evil may be done with good intentions, and vice versa. Even in Episode 2 the main "villains" are fighting to destroy the corruption of the Republic/early Empire, which is essentially what the Rebellion, the good guys, do later on. In EP:3, this is made even clearer since Anakin uses the Dark Side, but he has Padme's best interest in mind, and what's best for the Republic. Meanwhile the Jedi themselves are somewhere in that gray/hazy zone. Anakin eventually (in Jedi) makes the distinction between evil and good when he destroys the Emperor, but just not in the manner the Jedi Council thought he would.
In other words, this isn't a balance of the number of Sith vs. number of Jedi; it's more along the lines of a balance between the concept of good and evil since the line has been blurred to the point where evil may be done with good intentions, and vice versa. Even in Episode 2 the main "villains" are fighting to destroy the corruption of the Republic/early Empire, which is essentially what the Rebellion, the good guys, do later on. In EP:3, this is made even clearer since Anakin uses the Dark Side, but he has Padme's best interest in mind, and what's best for the Republic. Meanwhile the Jedi themselves are somewhere in that gray/hazy zone. Anakin eventually (in Jedi) makes the distinction between evil and good when he destroys the Emperor, but just not in the manner the Jedi Council thought he would.
Kung Fu Jedi
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shantyman said:
If this isn't the same picture I saw a few months back, it's awfully close. I don't remember the site I saw it on, but I've seen something very close to this some time ago. Definetly an extra-crispy version of Anakin.
soundwave05
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IAmtheFMan said:
I think also this vibes with what is in Ep. 3
The Jedi have the right idea, but are too rigid and robotic. They drive Anakin away by not letting him be married out in the open. The Sith obviously hunger for power, but in the end, this is not the ideal way to use the Force. The only guy who really "gets it" is Qui-Gon Jinn. He'd be sorta like a "grey" Jedi. He's more of a "open minded" Jedi, willing to embrace love, as a result he's the only Jedi/Sith that can transcend even death. Thus he teaches this ability to Yoda.
Having not seen ESB in like 5 years I just pulled it out and watched it. I have a really stupid question.
Like I said, probably very dumb question.
What is the significance of the cave scene, the one that is flowing with the dark side of the Force, where Luke fails? Why does he fail? Because he cut fake Vader's head off? And what the hell, the Vader mask explodes and Luke's head is in it? Can somebody explain this?
Like I said, probably very dumb question.
IAmtheFMan
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Bildocube said:
I really don't think spoiler tags are necessary for Empire.
The significance of the cave is a way of telling Luke "this is what you can become, if you give into hate, if you give into the Dark Side, what you're trying to fight and destroy is what will happen to you." Luke asks "what's in there" and Yoda replies "only what you bring with you." Luke then takes his weapons even though Yoda tells him not to, meaning that Luke has brought with him, his aggression. He then sees an image of Vader, the man (not yet known he's his father) that killed Obi-Wan, and probably the most evil dude in the universe, and Luke attacks him willingly (draws his weapon first and everything) only to reveal that this is what could happen to him, when he sees his face.
It's really interesting to think back on this, since Anakin essentially does this, while Luke becomes wiser.
Also, Yoda has foregone his aggressive ways that he had in the prequels, and taken the "Qui-Gon Jinn's Light Side of the Force Home Study Course" and become much more enlightened.
Simo
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Well I guess while we're on the subject on Episode III, and didn't really feel the need to create a new thread, but here's a half review of the Original Soundtrack:
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.asp?threadID=26545&forumID=1
No Duel Of The Fates on the CD, 'Clash of Lightsabers" from ESB is apart of the Anakin/Obi Wan duel. Fatboy_Roberts at MF.com seems to already have the score and gave this review:
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.asp?threadID=26545&forumID=1
No Duel Of The Fates on the CD, 'Clash of Lightsabers" from ESB is apart of the Anakin/Obi Wan duel. Fatboy_Roberts at MF.com seems to already have the score and gave this review:
soundwave05
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The scene in the cave serves several purposes, the main one is to forshadow the big twist at the end of the movie.
Also I think its a common theme in mythology for the hero to go into a cave or a tree or something like that and come face to face with some thing they fear and have to overcome.
"Battle of The Heroes" sounded great in the Tragedy spot, I have no doubts that John Williams will kick ass with the Ep. III soundtrack.
Also I think its a common theme in mythology for the hero to go into a cave or a tree or something like that and come face to face with some thing they fear and have to overcome.
"Battle of The Heroes" sounded great in the Tragedy spot, I have no doubts that John Williams will kick ass with the Ep. III soundtrack.
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