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Star Wars: The Force Awakens Final Trailer

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Mr Cola said:
Obi wan jumping down into a couple hundred droids armed with no backup is one of the most stupid things in the prequels, its out of character, its contrary to advice he has given before.
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"Patience, use the force" - Obi-Wan minutes after jumping out of a window without a moments hesitation.

Bravo, Lucas.
 
Game4life said:
That looks comical. Not badass.
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Guy.brush said:
Kylo will live to Episode VIII at a minimum. He is probably the big twist mirroring
"No I am your XXXX"
Will be interesting if he will be the character that will be allowed redemption or if Rey is at one point playing with the fire of the dark side and then returning from the brink.
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Its very interesting no cast contracts have been announced yet, some leaks based on casting rumours which I wont go into and common sense would tell us you dont set up a trilogy with new protagonists and then...kill them off.

But Kylo is not one of those, I literally have no idea about his fate in the film, but its certainly possible he dies, as much as its possible he continues but there has been no word from Driver or Disney about him being in any other films (Which there wouldnt be of course, they arent going to announce anything till after the films out)
 
JoeInky said:
"Patience, use the force" - Obi-Wan minutes after jumping out of a window without a moments hesitation.

Bravo, Lucas.
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The amount of inconsistency among the jedi order in general is just appalling, I suppose you could make an argument that they are only sentient and flawed but I think they really painted themselves into a corner in the prequels by establishing so many rules for the jedi that worked against the narrative.

Part of the reason I dont want that shit ever to come back, Lukes Jedi is far more intriguing than token yoda padawans.
 
Mr Cola said:
Its very interesting no cast contracts have been announced yet, some leaks based on casting rumours which I wont go into and common sense would tell us you dont set up a trilogy with new protagonists and then...kill them off.

But Kylo is not one of those, I literally have no idea about his fate in the film, but its certainly possible he dies, as much as its possible he continues but there has been no word from Driver or Disney about him being in any other films (Which there wouldnt be of course, they arent going to announce anything till after the films out)
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You can bet that almost everyone involved has signed a multi-picture contract because that's just standard these days for franchise stuff, whether they'll be major characters in every film or not.
 
Mr Cola said:
Its very interesting no cast contracts have been announced yet, some leaks based on casting rumours which I wont go into and common sense would tell us you dont set up a trilogy with new protagonists and then...kill them off.

But Kylo is not one of those, I literally have no idea about his fate in the film, but its certainly possible he dies, as much as its possible he continues but there has been no word from Driver or Disney about him being in any other films (Which there wouldnt be of course, they arent going to announce anything till after the films out)
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I really don't want him to die in the first film, I want him and his order of knights to be built up and expanded on, and I want to see as much cross saber as possible.


Don't Darth Maul him, please.

At the very least he'll have more setup in this film than Darth Maul had in episode 1, so there's that so far.
 
WyndhamPrice said:
You can bet that almost everyone involved has signed a multi-picture contract because that's just standard these days for franchise stuff, whether they'll be major characters in every film or not.
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Probably

One thing I heard on a podcast recently that resonated in regards to speculation about Han/Leia/Luke "You dont spend 4bn on Star Wars and kill off the audiences favourite characters in the first film".

The rule of Episode 1/4 is one "Master, teacher" dies and that may well be, but it makes no sense for Disney to start hacking off limbs of a body they spent so much on.

Personally I think Han/Luke and Leia will be in at least 2
 
Mr Cola said:
Its very interesting no cast contracts have been announced yet, some leaks based on casting rumours which I wont go into and common sense would tell us you dont set up a trilogy with new protagonists and then...kill them off.

But Kylo is not one of those, I literally have no idea about his fate in the film, but its certainly possible he dies, as much as its possible he continues but there has been no word from Driver or Disney about him being in any other films (Which there wouldnt be of course, they arent going to announce anything till after the films out)
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Im expecting him to die. Even though he is the main antagonist in this episode, I get the feeling that he is not "full strength" and is still learning the darkside himself. Im expecting Luke to come out of nowhere after the Rey and Finn try and fail to take him down, and Luke defeating him.

But before he dies, he will have set Poe down the path of the dark side and Poe becomes the main villain in the next two episodes, and far more powerful than Kylo Ren is in this one.
 
Mr Cola said:
Its very interesting no cast contracts have been announced yet, some leaks based on casting rumours which I wont go into and common sense would tell us you dont set up a trilogy with new protagonists and then...kill them off.

But Kylo is not one of those, I literally have no idea about his fate in the film, but its certainly possible he dies, as much as its possible he continues but there has been no word from Driver or Disney about him being in any other films (Which there wouldnt be of course, they arent going to announce anything till after the films out)
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I think he is part of the best kept secret they are trying to keep under wraps.
The central questions are:
Is Kylo a Skywalker offspring or not? If so is he Luke's son or Leia's & Han's son? And 2nd: Is Rey his twin sister? I doubt they will reveal their hand during Episode VII so at least one of these will not be answered.
As said before, I pray that they don't go with Kylo being Han's and Leia's son. It would undermine their OT struggles and love story for me if they would have a son that would go on to follow in Vader's footsteps, hating his parents and bringing more misery on the galaxy than what his parents prevented in the OT.
So fingers crossed he is not a Skywalker and only Rey is.
There are however rumors that Serkis is an ancient Sith whispering into Kylo's ears from beyond the grave, driving him on, which would then make Kylo a possibility for redemption in EpVIII or EPIX and further points to him being a Skywalker :(
 
JoeInky said:
I really don't want him to die in the first film, I want him and his order of knights to be built up and expanded on, and I want to see as much cross saber as possible.


Don't Darth Maul him, please.

At the very least he'll have more setup in this film than Darth Maul had in episode 1, so there's that so far.
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Well you can view it a few ways

If he dies, I have faith they will make it worth it, he wont get Darth Mauled and they have to know how popular Maul was considering they brought him back in animated form and there is a whole EU fanfic about him, Lucas openly said too it was a mistake to introduce a new villain in every film and not stick with an arc.

If he doesnt die does he stay the villain?

If he doesnt stay the villain then what grander purpose does he fill if we have 3 protagonists already?

All useless questions without having seen the film honestly but I think regardless they will probably do the character justice, people call Rey the lead in the film but very very clearly Kylo has as much importance and id wager probably as much screen time.
 
Guy.brush said:
I think he is part of the best kept secret they are trying to keep under wraps.
The central questions are:
Is Kylo a Skywalker offspring or not? If so is he Luke's son or Leia's & Han's son? And 2nd: Is Rey his twin sister? I doubt they will reveal their hand during Episode VII so at least one of these will not be answered.
As said before, I pray that they don't go with Kylo being Han's and Leia's son. It would undermine their OT struggles and love story for me if they would have a son that would go on to follow in Vader's footsteps, hating his parents and bringing more misery on the galaxy than what his parents prevented in the OT.
So fingers crossed he is not a Skywalker and only Rey is.
There are however rumors that Serkis is an ancient Sith whispering into Kylo's ears from beyond the grave, driving him on, which would then make Kylo a possibility for redemption in EpVIII or EPIX and further points to him being a Skywalker :(
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Adam Driver doesn't really look like a Skywalker to me, but it could happen.
 
chicko1983 said:
Im expecting him to die. Even though he is the main antagonist in this episode, I get the feeling that he is not "full strength" and is still learning the darkside himself. Im expecting Luke to come out of nowhere after the Rey and Finn try and fail to take him down, and Luke defeating him.

But before he dies, he will have set Poe down the path of the dark side and Poe becomes the main villain in the next two episodes, and far more powerful than Kylo Ren is in this one.
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Ive read some things about Poe in the last few days (Speculation not spoiler) and im not entirely sold, I think he has an integral role in the film and is the best actor currently in the ensemble so it would be a waste not to use him as much as possible. I have a theory about what happens to him in this but nothing about that is to do with the force.

I read a few bits of the comic about his mother and father and their relationship to current characters which is intriguing but im really not sold he is force sensitive.

Could be wrong though.
 
Mr Cola said:
The amount of inconsistency among the jedi order in general is just appalling, I suppose you could make an argument that they are only sentient and flawed but I think they really painted themselves into a corner in the prequels by establishing so many rules for the jedi that worked against the narrative.

Part of the reason I dont want that shit ever to come back, Lukes Jedi is far more intriguing than token yoda padawans.
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Also, they let Ki-Adi-Mundi have multiple wives whilst he was a jedi, because of population issues or something, and yet Anakin isn't allowed to marry padme.

He should have just said to the jedi council "yo, if you don't let me marry padme I'm going to turn to the dark side and kill you all, k?", I would think that would be as good a reason as population issues.


The whole Jedi's aren't allowed to love thing is just stupid in general really.
 
Mr Cola said:
Obi wan jumping down into a couple hundred droids armed with no backup is one of the most stupid things in the prequels, its out of character, its contrary to advice he has given before.

Im sure someone will say "Oh he read Grievous mind and knew he wouldnt have him killed"

Oh...so he knew the intentions of everything down there, every thing that could have killed him...right.
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The best is right before he jumps he has a look of deep concentration as though thinking of the best way to approach the situation.

'Whelp this is the best I got' *jumps*
 
Mr Cola said:
Probably

One thing I heard on a podcast recently that resonated in regards to speculation about Han/Leia/Luke "You dont spend 4bn on Star Wars and kill off the audiences favourite characters in the first film".

The rule of Episode 1/4 is one "Master, teacher" dies and that may well be, but it makes no sense for Disney to start hacking off limbs of a body they spent so much on.

Personally I think Han/Luke and Leia will be in at least 2
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In my opinion han dies flying the millennium falcon into something independence day style in 2, luke dies in some poetic way at the climax in 3, and Leia stays alive the whole time. I just don't think they'll kill han this quick.
 
sn00zer said:
Oh damn didnt notice he was afraid the first time.....woah....he looks like someone is pointing a gun at him....that is awesome
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I think what makes this scene really cool is that Finn is knowingly facing down what is probably one of, if not the ultimate embodiments of evil he's witnessed in his life.

He knows that Kylo Ren is a powerful, ruthless warrior, and a key figure of the First Order.

He's not just facing a guy with a lightsaber, he's facing Kylo Ren.
 
JoeInky said:
Also, they let Ki-Adi-Mundi have multiple wives whilst he was a jedi, because of population issues or something, and yet Anakin isn't allowed to marry padme.

He should have just said to the jedi council "yo, if you don't let me marry padme I'm going to turn to the dark side and kill you all, k?", I would think that would be as good a reason as population issues.


The whole Jedi's aren't allowed to love thing is just stupid in general really.
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The kicker is that the nature of the films enforces you to take them up on the inconsistencies, it creates its own problems entirely, it sets rules that it simply does not need to to create situations that could easily be created in other ways, it really does dig its own grave.

The force never needed to be explained or quantified, the Jedi never needed to be a religion.
 
Chezzymann said:
In my opinion han dies flying the millennium falcon into something independence day style in 2, luke dies in some poetic way at the climax in 3, and Leia stays alive the whole time. I just don't think they'll kill han this quick.
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The only, ONLY reason I think Han could die is Ford, I think in an ideal world Disney wants Ford around for 3 films, I think the writers would want him around for 3 films, however I cant see Ford PRE production signing for 3 films given his whole approach to star wars.

Its ironic that he has come out POST production saying how much he loved the experience, to his surprise, but you cant just flip a script and change the ending during takes when he discovers he loves the role.

Getting Ford to sign up for one film must have been a challenge, beyond that...eh

Im 50/50
 
i love the way kylo moves in both trailers. looks like he hobbles along, there will be impact in his hits.

we gonna get some OG trilogy/LOTR tier sword fights with this guy I think. and I'm assuming the rest of the knights will be doing the more acrobatic shit.
 
NeoGiff said:
I wonder if anything in this trilogy will reach the perfection of this moment.

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The effects for Luke's saber cause a glare that makes his blade look hilariously huge, like it would vaporize Vader in one swipe. Doesn't happen with any other saber in the series so must have been something with how they drew the green saber then.
 
Mr Cola said:
Ive read some things about Poe in the last few days (Speculation not spoiler) and im not entirely sold, I think he has an integral role in the film and is the best actor currently in the ensemble so it would be a waste not to use him as much as possible. I have a theory about what happens to him in this but nothing about that is to do with the force.

I read a few bits of the comic about his mother and father and their relationship to current characters which is intriguing but im really not sold he is force sensitive.

Could be wrong though.
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Can you say what that relationship is with spoiler tags please?

Im thinking Poe is force sensitive and so is Finn, hence why Finn can feel something when he passes by Poe. It also can explain why Poe is such a good pilot.

JoeInky said:
Also, they let Ki-Adi-Mundi have multiple wives whilst he was a jedi, because of population issues or something, and yet Anakin isn't allowed to marry padme.

He should have just said to the jedi council "yo, if you don't let me marry padme I'm going to turn to the dark side and kill you all, k?", I would think that would be as good a reason as population issues.


The whole Jedi's aren't allowed to love thing is just stupid in general really.
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Yep. Lucas got the whole timeline wrong in the prequels.

The Jedi went from being the galactic police and flourishing in numbers, to a virtual myth in the space of 20-30 years.

There should have only been maximum half a dozen Jedi in the prequels, with no real say in the galactic senate, and definitely no academy where they were training many young jedi, and the two dark side characters.
 
Guy.brush said:
Kylo will live to Episode VIII at a minimum. He is probably the big twist mirroring
"No I am your XXXX"
Will be interesting if he will be the character that will be allowed redemption or if Rey is at one point playing with the fire of the dark side and then returning from the brink.
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I'm assuming that the arc for this trilogy is that Kylo Ren will turn to be a Jedi and not a Sith. Since we got the reverse process with the prequels and the original trilogy introduced the universe to the audience. Then when he turns good he'll probably tell everyone he had a master all along and they need to stop his plans.

It would also be nice if we got some gray when it comes to the Sith and Jedi dichotomy in the Star Wars movie. There always seemed to be hints that Mace Windu allowed anger to fuel some of his powers and Count Dooku in contrast seemed always even tempered. They both always seemed to be tapping into both sides of the force while still firmly staying on their respective side. Maybe that's Luke's deal with these movies is that he's been trying to reconcile traditional Jedi teachings and his own experience of what would actually work, before he was willing to start trying Jedi.

I doubt it will ever get that complex though that's not what these movies are about. Maybe one of the spinoff a might touch on it though.
 
chicko1983 said:
Can you say what that relationship is with spoiler tags please?

Im thinking Poe is force sensitive and so is Finn, hence why Finn can feel something when he passes by Poe. It also can explain why Poe is such a good pilot.



Yep. Lucas got the whole timeline wrong in the prequels.

The Jedi went from being the galactic police and flourishing in numbers, to a virtual myth in the space of 20-30 years.

There should have only been maximum half a dozen Jedi in the prequels, with no real say in the galactic senate, and definitely no academy where they were training many young jedi, and the two dark side characters.
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Sure, this isnt a spoiler per se as its been mentioned in official channels by Isaac

Her mother worked for Princess Leia, Poe is one of her brightest pilots

As for your point below, I have a different theory about that :3 but if im right it would be a huge huge huge speculative spoiler, so I darent say it
 
WadiumArcadium said:
He's on all the merchandise. I think it's very unlikely. I have a feeling General Hux will be the one stop villain. Hopefully he isn't because Domhnall Gleeson's great. They might have to make room for Benicio Del Toro in VIII though..
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Darth Maul was all over the merchandise too. In fact he and Jar Jar basically WERE the merch for Episode 1, and I've rarely seen a film more heavily merchandised than Episode 1, including this film.
 
Empty Space said:
I'm assuming that the arc for this trilogy is that Kylo Ren will turn to be a Jedi and not a Sith. Since we got the reverse process with the prequels and the original trilogy introduced the universe to the audience. Then when he turns good he'll probably tell everyone he had a master all along and they need to stop his plans.

It would also be nice if we got some gray when it comes to the Sith and Jedi dichotomy in the Star Wars movie. There always seemed to be hints that Mace Windu allowed anger to fuel some of his powers and Count Dooku in contrast seemed always even tempered. They both always seemed to be tapping into both sides of the force while still firmly staying on their respective side. Maybe that's Luke's deal with these movies is that he's been trying to reconcile traditional Jedi teachings and his own experience of what would actually work, before he was willing to start trying Jedi.

I doubt it will ever get that complex though that's not what these movies are about. Maybe one of the spinoff a might touch on it though.
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I could see Kylo learning about Vaders turn in the end and wanting to follow suit. I can also see that angering him even more.
 
Empty Space said:
I'm assuming that the arc for this trilogy is that Kylo Ren will turn to be a Jedi and not a Sith. Since we got the reverse process with the prequels and the original trilogy introduced the universe to the audience. Then when he turns good he'll probably tell everyone he had a master all along and they need to stop his plans.

It would also be nice if we got some gray when it comes to the Sith and Jedi dichotomy in the Star Wars movie. There always seemed to be hints that Mace Windu allowed anger to fuel some of his powers and Count Dooku in contrast seemed always even tempered. They both always seemed to be tapping into both sides of the force while still firmly staying on their respective side. Maybe that's Luke's deal with these movies is that he's been trying to reconcile traditional Jedi teachings and his own experience of what would actually work, before he was willing to start trying Jedi.

I doubt it will ever get that complex though that's not what these movies are about. Maybe one of the spinoff a might touch on it though.
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I would be happy with that type of thing - Kylo Ren becoming good after finding out that he is Luke's son. But you need an antagonist for the next two movies, so maybe the Serkis character finishes the conversion of Poe from the good side to the bad.
 
JoeInky said:
It's the reason Padme gives for not wanting to fall in love with anakin or whatever.
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I always took that as it wouldn't be possible to hide their relationship, because she was a senator and thus her life was too public. It wasn't that there was any rule on her end preventing a relationship between them it just made it impractical. The whole Jedi's being unable to have a relationship contrivance felt silly either way. The plot would have been fine and largely unchanged without it. It seemed to be put there to make people care more without actually making it an interesting relationship.
 
Im buoyed by Kasdans remarks that Kylo is a type of villain he has never written and star wars has never seen and the performance is astounding.

Drivers gonna kill it
 
This is still probably my favourite Ren shot.

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I'm sure this is going to be him sensing Luke coming up behind them, he seems to be in a similar location.

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JoeInky said:
This is still probably my favourite Ren shot.

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I'm sure this is going to be him sensing Luke coming up behind them, he seems to be in a similar location.

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Imagine the second image is Kylo? Not seen those side by side before

I honestly think Kylo is after Luke at this point.
 
DiipuSurotu said:
I doubt it will be more perfect than the ROTJ duel, but I really like how this scene in the trailer is filmed from behind one of the fighters, instead of sideways:

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Gridlock said:
Crap, I don't know the black guys name but I love his fucking reaction!

First glimpse

I'm ready son! Come at me!

His reaction from behind the sith.

"Shit! He's not dicking around!" My body isn't ready.

Then he motions backwards
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Yeah, he looks pissed and badass when he ignites the saber, but then as Kylo gets ready to attack he's like "I've made a terrible mistake...."
 
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