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GAMEPROFF said:
I am so sorry for you, that the appearing of a thing or a character destroyed three other great movies for you.

I will never take the deathstar serious anymore. His structure was shown in ROTS, so its tainted forever.
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... Just going to ask, since you have a Spider-man avatar... How did you enjoy Spider-man selling his wife and marriage out to the devil to fix his irresponsible actions that got Aunt May shot in One More Day? Or were you just fine with everything a month later?

I ask for, you know... REASONS.
 
Garlador said:
... Just going to ask, since you have a Spider-man avatar... How did you enjoy Spider-man selling his wife and marriage out to the devil to fix his irresponsible actions that got Aunt May shot in One More Day? Or were you just fine with everything a month later?

I ask for, you know... REASONS.
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As a huge Spider-Man fan I can answer that:

I didn't like OMD

I liked many of the stories that came after OMD

oooh what a weird concept! Disliking one thing, and liking another!
 
TheDinoman said:
They pointlessly tied Boba into the origins of the stormtroopers. He's not an individual bounty hunter anymore, now apparently he's just one of many clones of, well, Boba Fett (Jango is basically and literally the same character as Boba).

Admittedly the Chewbacca thing came from the Plinkett ROTS review, where he said that he was ruined for being pointlessly shoved into the movie, haha.
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Meh, the CGI clone wars series had tons of cool clones.
The idea of a bounty hunter being some kind of special rogue clone is kind of interesting.

I hope this movie clarifies what happened between the clones to storm troopers transition. I remember that cloning became unsustainable or something and they had to resort to conscripts/mercenaries for the army. The storm troopers just seem so much less competent and goofy compared to the more bad-ass clones.

Sectorseven said:
Ignoring the fact robots are still are more practical, and about as efficient on screen, wouldn't cloning some other species make more sense, like a Wookie for example? They can pilot ships and use weapons just like a human, plus they're scary as hell and can rip people apart with their bare hands.
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From what I remember reading...
The empire (and maybe even the republic?) did have a bit of a human-centric racist element running through it, compared to the more inclusive and diverse jedi council.
 
PeskyToaster said:
At least there will be no Plinkett reviews for everyone to get their talking points from for a while.
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You never know...RLM might do a Half in the Bag review featuring Plinkett (IIRC they did a Plinkett trailer reaction for one of the earlier trailers).

It's going to be fun seeing where TFA ranks for people, and how that affects the tiresome prequels vs originals arguments.
 
ViewtifulJC said:
As a huge Spider-Man fan I can answer that:

I didn't like OMD

I liked many of the stories that came after OMD

oooh what a weird concept! Disliking one thing, and liking another!
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And this is a new Star Wars movie, something coming after the PT.

Now, let me go a step further. When you go back and re-read those old Spider-man comics, of Peter and MJ married, loving one another, sacrificing for one another, sticking to each other through thick and thin, trying to find their place in the world and in each other's lives, yet always fighting through to the bitter end because of how much they loved one another... is it weird knowing that One More Day is the culmination of that marriage?

Can you even read those old marriage comics and not have the stink of OMD hovering over it, a heavy shadow reminding you that every time Mary Jane says he'll "never lose her", every time Peter says "you're the reason I do this", knowing that he sacrifices her to the devil, you don't think those scenes aren't tarnished, if not outright ruined?

Good came AFTER OMD, but re-reading the old material? I struggle with that sometimes. Sweet, romantic, and lovely moments have been turned tragic, bittersweet, and ugly given how awful OMD wrapped the marriage up.
 
boiled goose said:
Meh, the CGI clone wars series had tons of cool clones.
The idea of a bounty hunter being some kind of special rogue clone is kind of interesting.

I hope this movie clarifies what happened between the clones to storm troopers transition. I remember that cloning became unsustainable or something and they had to resort to conscripts/mercenaries for the army. The storm troopers just seem so much less competent and goofy compared to the more bad-ass clones.
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Boba isn't rogue though. Jango requested that one of the clones grow up normally like a son and Darth Tyranus accepted because he's kind like that.
 
Garlador said:
Can you even read those old marriage comics and not have the stink of OMD hovering over it
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yes

I'm reading THIS comic. Not THAT comic. This one. The one in front of me. Its the only thing that matters unless some other comic is referenced.

And unless the PT is explicitly referenced, I can very easily go about my life ignoring it. Its actually quite easy!
 
Garlador said:
What he DID care about was producing and writing the story for this:
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What the fuck am I looking at here?
 
ViewtifulJC said:
yes

I'm reading THIS comic. Not THAT comic. This one. The one in front of me. Its the only thing that matters unless some other comic is referenced.

And unless the PT is explicitly referenced, I can very easily go about my life ignoring it. Its actually quite easy!
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But then you're doing precisely what so many other Star Wars fans do; they simply don't acknowledge the PT exists at all.

I can stand behind that.

Because I do that with Spider-man. I pretend One More Day didn't happen.

But, to do that, I have to remove the comic or film in question from my mind. If I factor it into the equation, then, yes, it absolutely does ruin what I'm watching or reading. If I acknowledge it, it does tarnish the experience. I HAVE to create an environment where the stuff I hate is excluded and enjoy what I enjoy in a vacuum.

... But some people can't do that. And I understand that.

Still wish I could track down non-specialized versions of the OT though. Hard to "ignore" changes when the old versions aren't readily available.
 
Garlador said:
But, to do that, I have to remove the comic or film in question from my mind. If I factor it into the equation, then, yes, it absolutely does ruin what I'm watching or reading. If I acknowledge it, it does tarnish the experience. I HAVE to create an environment where the stuff I hate is excluded and enjoy what I enjoy in a vacuum.
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Boy that must be REALLY exhausting. Having to consciously make an effort NOT to think about things you don't like all day! You think that would be common knowledge. Like you think billions of people probably do that without even thinking about it(literally).
 
Tartakovsky's and Filoni's Clone Wars do much to make the PT better. So much so that I recommend people who didn't like the PT to watch those series, and then go back and view the PT with those in mind.
 
JoeInky said:
Han: It's just a bunch of tricks
Chewie: *Growling noises* [Actually I once met a Jedi master back on my home planet called Yoda, we were best friends]
Han: You said it, Chewie.


Maybe he just doesn't have a clue what Chewie is saying and just hears what he wants to hear.
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Maybe it was like:

Han: It's just a bunch of tricks
Chewie: *Growling noises* [Actually Jedi were totally real and pretty cool but they are all dead now and this Luke kid looks kind of like a bitch]
Han: You said it, Chewie.
 
inm8num2 said:
I look forward to all the constructive, enriching discourse following release of The Force Awakens.
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Just heard a question on a podcast along the lines of

"Hey, do you think Force Awakens is going to be so good that people who think they like the Prequels will finally realize they're wrong?"

Like... c'mon now.
 
boiled goose said:
Meh, the CGI clone wars series had tons of cool clones.
The idea of a bounty hunter being some kind of special rogue clone is kind of interesting.

I hope this movie clarifies what happened between the clones to storm troopers transition. I remember that cloning became unsustainable or something and they had to resort to conscripts/mercenaries for the army. The storm troopers just seem so much less competent and goofy compared to the more bad-ass clones.
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I believe this was recently explained by story team member Pablo Hidalgo and in the recent episode(s) of Rebels. The clones were eventually phased out after a couple of years by the Emperor because they aged too rapidly and were probably too expensive to produce anymore after the war. Regular joes were much cheaper and could be trained and brainwashed for loyalty and obedience at a fraction of the cost. What few clones that remained became instructors for new recruits, while the ones that were kids or fetuses during the Clone Wars served where they could as the last of their generation. All of the clones that were phased out became obsolete and retired to work on the docks or what have you. A number of them grew bitter and resentful of what they did to the jedi and how they were treated after all that the clones did for their Republic/Empire.
 
Gravidee said:
I believe this was recently explained by story team member Pablo Hidalgo and in the recent episode(s) of Rebels. The clones were eventually phased out after a couple of years by the Emperor because they aged too rapidly and were probably too expensive to produce anymore after the war. Regular joes were much cheaper and could be trained and brainwashed for loyalty and obedience at a fraction of the cost.
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Correct. It was explained in Rebels, which makes a lot more sense to explain it there than in a movie set 60 years after the Clone Wars.
 
TheDinoman said:
What's even more silly is that when Han Solo is going on how about he doesn't believe in Jedi and thinks it's just a bunch of tricks, Chewbacca growls and Han says "You said it, Chewie.", implying that Chewbacca thought it was a load of crap, too...so how did he completely forget about the time when he was literally with a Jedi master?
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Wasn't that when obi wan was leaving to shut down the reactor? I think you might be combining two different scenes.
 
Yeah, Chewie's busy getting his shit wrecked by Artoo while Han & Ben are having their philosophical disagreement, aren't they? He's not paying attention to anything going on over there, he's trying to fight off the volcanic ragequit brewing inside him.
 
I want Yodas theme

I think thats the only thing that could make me cry
 
ViewtifulJC said:
Boy that must be REALLY exhausting. Having to consciously make an effort NOT to think about things you don't like all day! You think that would be common knowledge. Like you think billions of people probably do that without even thinking about it(literally).
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Don't be so facetious.

Some things are easier to ignore than others, and it's easier for some people more than others.

I can safely pretend that the Super Mario Bros. movie doesn't exist when I play a Mario game, but it's harder to pretend the prequel trilogy doesn't exist when Hayden Christensen and Jar-Jar Binks pop up in the old movies.

In a more extreme case, I can ignore the "real life" of actors or actress in films and TV 99% of the time, but you can bet I cringe when The Cosby Show comes up, and while I can enjoy a Roman Polanski film, I can never fully disassociate the fact that the films were made by a child rapist.

You're looking at things in black and white. Most of the time, it's not that simple, and people have varying degrees of tolerance, suspension of disbelief, and general acceptance.
 
Fj0823 said:
You could put Anakin Skywalkers ghost played by Hayden narrating the story of his battle in Mustafar and people here would still say it doesn't count and the prequels are dead.

I wonder how long this "the sequels are our saviors the prequels didn't happen" narrative will last.
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Presumably until the next Plinkett review.
 
Toxi said:
Presumably until the next Plinkett review.
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I disagree with the whole "Haters were just brainwashed by Plinkett" mentality. The movies have their major fkaws

But I feel the over sensitivity of OT fans is baffli g. Like a single line of dialogue can ruin the "image I had in my mind of X"

I can easily see people hating on Han or Leia if they don't match how they imagined them with how they ended up.

Or hating the first order because its the empire reorganized meaning the end of Jedi they grew up with is a lie and they didn't actually win.

And also Abrams style being very very different from the OT.
 
Once the bubble bursts there are going to be alot of people very harsh on the Force Awakens, whether it is good or not

Because thats how life is
 
Fj0823 said:
I disagree with the whole "Haters were just brainwashed by Plinkett" mentality. The movies have their major flaws
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I don't think anyone is "brainwashed" by Plinkett. I just think his reviews tend to hold a lot of sway and many people parrot his points from the reviews. They've certainly had a major impact on online discussions on the prequels.

Even if he likes the movie, he's still probably gonna tear it a new one; see his review on JJ Abrams' Star Trek.
 
Garlador said:
You're looking at things in black and white.
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No, that description is more apt for what you're doing. You're arguing that you have to pretend a thing literally ceases to exist for you to enjoy another thing.

But you don't. Millions upon millions of people manage it every day.

You don't have to force yourself into an imaginary place where a bad movie never got made in order to play Super Mario Brothers. Hell, you don't have to pretend Super Mario Sunshine never got made in order to play Super Mario Galaxy. You don't. It's not at all necessary.

Alien Resurrection exists. I don't have to pretend it doesn't in order to watch ALIEN. That would be a waste of time and energy.
 
in what universe does anyone even think about SMB movie when they play Super Mario

or has to stop themselves from thinking about it

"I'm enjoying this product in front of m-OHGOD THERE'S ANOTHER PRODUCT OUT THERE NAMED SUPER MARIO AND IT WASN'T GOOD OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
 
I just don't get the idea that something as big as Star Wars needs to be 100% perfect at all times in order to be enjoyed. Like somehow you can't still like the good parts of it. Something that big is going to have shitty aspects to it.

It's okay to like flawed, imperfect things. If it wasn't, I don't think too many of us would even be here trying to talk about movies OR video games, yunno?
 
ViewtifulJC said:
in what universe does anyone even think about SMB movie when they play Super Mario

or has to stop themselves from thinking about it

"I'm enjoying this product in front of m-OHGOD THERE'S ANOTHER PRODUCT OUT THERE NAMED SUPER MARIO AND IT WASN'T GOOD OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
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Sonic fans must be using the Men in Black mind eraser to deal with the horrors they've experienced.
 
Bobby Roberts said:
No, that description is more apt for what you're doing. You're arguing that you have to pretend a thing literally ceases to exist for you to enjoy another thing.
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No. Pay attention. I said it's different from person to person, and people have varying levels of tolerance and suspension of disbelief.

Bobby Roberts said:
But you don't. Millions upon millions of people manage it every day.
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And millions upon millions of people don't manage it. What's your point? Everyone has a breaking point, including YOU.

Bobby Roberts said:
You don't have to force yourself into an imaginary place where a bad movie never got made in order to play Super Mario Brothers. Hell, you don't have to pretend Super Mario Sunshine never got made in order to play Super Mario Galaxy. You don't. It's not at all necessary.
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Of course not. Mario Sunshine is awesome.

Bobby Roberts said:
Alien Resurrection exists. I don't have to pretend it doesn't in order to watch ALIEN. That would be a waste of time and energy.
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What's Alien Resurrection?

ViewtifulJC said:
in what universe does anyone even think about SMB movie when they play Super Mario
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None. That's why nothing about it has ever been acknowledged and Nintendo has disowned it, all while having anyone who mutters its name within a thousand paces of Shigeru Miyamoto gets assassinated and their bodies fed to Goombas.

ViewtifulJC said:
or has to stop themselves from thinking about it
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Precisely. They don't think about it. It fades away into the ether. It does not exist. It never existed. What existed? I don't know. What are you talking about?

ViewtifulJC said:
"I'm enjoying this product in front of m-OHGOD THERE'S ANOTHER PRODUCT OUT THERE NAMED SUPER MARIO AND IT WASN'T GOOD OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
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Nonsense. There's only been Mario products. Even the bad ones are good. You just don't know it yet. You'll see the light someday.
 
Garlador said:
It's the Star Wars prequels. What's the difference?
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You do realize a ton of Star Wars fans, easily the majority of the hardcore fanbase like the prequels, right? It's not like your view is any kind of majority one among fandom. Go check out the year Star Wars Celebration conventions. Will blow your mind.
 
Gravidee said:
I believe this was recently explained by story team member Pablo Hidalgo and in the recent episode(s) of Rebels. The clones were eventually phased out after a couple of years by the Emperor because they aged too rapidly and were probably too expensive to produce anymore after the war. Regular joes were much cheaper and could be trained and brainwashed for loyalty and obedience at a fraction of the cost. What few clones that remained became instructors for new recruits, while the ones that were kids or fetuses during the Clone Wars served where they could as the last of their generation. All of the clones that were phased out became obsolete and retired to work on the docks or what have you. A number of them grew bitter and resentful of what they did to the jedi and how they were treated after all that the clones did for their Republic/Empire.
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I've watched up to s4 of the Clone Wars and loved it. Does Rebels ever delve into whether or not the clones are fertile or sterile? I'm curious if there might be clone descendants in the new trilogy.
 
JZA said:
I've watched up to s4 of the Clone Wars and loved it. Does Rebels ever delve into whether or not the clones are fertile or sterile? I'm curious if there might be clone descendants in the new trilogy.
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Didn't the CW episode "The Deserter" show they were fertile, since the titular deserter had children with a Twilek woman?
 
Garlador said:
No. Pay attention.
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You fuckin' kidding me?

I'm addressing your bullshit directly, and pointing out why it's bullshit. Because it's bullshit. I know this because I was paying attention to what you had written, see.

Also, "it varies from person to person" doesn't even work as a rebuttal to what I was saying anyway. The idea that you have to enter some sort of weird dream state in which the reality you currently live in ceases to exist in order to enjoy a thing is an unnecessary one. It's not needed. It's ridiculous. And adhering to that fundamentally delusional mindset in order to "preserve" the sanctity of the thing you like while telling someone else they're being "too black and white" is all kinds of contradictory.

"Breaking points" don't even have to enter into this. And while you're not wrong that I have one, you are wrong in implying that it's in any way tied to something as trivial as what movies I watch. There is no "breaking point" at which I decide I'm going to imagine a completely new reality as a means to like a movie I've always liked. If I'm going to delve into self-delusion, it's going to be for something way more important than Star Wars.
 
Bobby Roberts said:
I just don't get the idea that something as big as Star Wars needs to be 100% perfect at all times in order to be enjoyed. Like somehow you can't still like the good parts of it. Something that big is going to have shitty aspects to it.

It's okay to like flawed, imperfect things. If it wasn't, I don't think too many of us would even be here trying to talk about movies OR video games, yunno?
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Star Wars isn't 100% perfect. What is disappointing with those films is they didn't need to be as flawed as they were. The missed opportunities, bizarre choices and continuity gaffs. If you have the ending you should make the start match, right? The story is such a gift for a good screenwriter. A man's fall from grace, it should write itself, yet the fall is clumsy, the man a fool. The OT is flawed, you'd be a fool to say they aren't but the good parts are numerous and shine so damn bright.
 
LMAO dudes having to create fictional alternate realities for them to enjoy a movie

No, I'm sure that's perfectly normal and not totally bugfuck weird. You're definitely not strange as hell at all.
 
ViewtifulJC said:
LMAO dudes having to create fictional alternate realities for them to enjoy a movie

No, I'm sure that's perfectly normal and not totally bugfuck weird. You're definitely not strange as hell at all.
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Seriously I really wonder what would happen if he went to a Star Wars Celebration and saw the literally thousands of fans dressed as prequel characters. I assume he would have a stroke or some kind of brain aneurysm trying to deny the existence of what he is witnessing.

Next to SW my biggest film fandom is James Bond. Know how many downright awful films there have been in the franchise? Tons. Know how many I have to pretend don't exist to continue to love the franchise? Zero.
 
GentlemanCrow said:
Star Wars isn't 100% perfect. What is disappointing with those films is they didn't need to be as flawed as they were.
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Well yeah, no shit.

But at a certain point said disappointment should probably recede just by dint of the fact it's been almost 20 years and the narrative (those movies aren't very good) is largely set. It absolutely shouldn't still be so potent to where people think inventing alternate realities is a viable option.

Like, I know Star Wars means a lot to a lot of people. More than many, I'm pretty familiar with that notion. But it's still just Star Wars. It's never been so important culturally that the idea there could be bad aspects of it is some sort of boogeyman that must be warded off by whatever means necessary.
 
I hate Alien3 to me it destroyed the ending of Aliens. But I dont need an alternative reality to enjoy the movies.

Hell I can even find some good stuff in alien3 if I catch it on TV. And I can't deny it has the most iconic scene in the franchise.

Would I recommend it? Nah. But it's part of the franchise and has lots of things I can appreciate despite my overall dislike.
 
Bobby Roberts said:
Well yeah, no shit.

But at a certain point said disappointment should probably recede just by dint of the fact it's been almost 20 years and the narrative (those movies aren't very good) is largely set. It absolutely shouldn't still be so potent to where people think inventing alternate realities is a viable option.
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If a film is disliked the venom for it isn't going to go away. It's only because these films are tied to such exalted movies that the usual response of forgetting them isn't an option as would be the case with usual bad cinema. We have to deal. But some don't want to. That's the world we live in - where folk create head canon, if that's what people need let them. I dream of a prequel reboot personally but as of now the prequels are so different to the originals I can easily ignore them and divorce them from the originals. They haven't ruined the films.

The debate will never stop, nor should it. New people experience the films every day should we not share our views? I for one can't abide the adage that watching the Clone Wars improves the prequels but that is spouted everywhere, there is a discourse there. We still all want to be involved else these ridiculously numerous threads would be dead.

It's like sports teams, same shit over and over. Will it ever stop? Nope.
 
Bobby Roberts said:
No, that description is more apt for what you're doing. You're arguing that you have to pretend a thing literally ceases to exist for you to enjoy another thing.

But you don't. Millions upon millions of people manage it every day.

You don't have to force yourself into an imaginary place where a bad movie never got made in order to play Super Mario Brothers. Hell, you don't have to pretend Super Mario Sunshine never got made in order to play Super Mario Galaxy. You don't. It's not at all necessary.

Alien Resurrection exists. I don't have to pretend it doesn't in order to watch ALIEN. That would be a waste of time and energy.
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It's seriously such a weird and dumb way of looking at things.
 
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