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Star Wars: The Force Awakens Final Trailer

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What is this.

"a higher plane?"

Avatar doesnt' seem to have any real purchase in pop-culture in 2015. And the huge technological leaps in filmmaking he makes are always part of why his movies are anticipated. You go to see what it is Cameron's managed to do that wasn't done before. Because the man delivers on that front, every time. And I don't see how I'm fucking up by suggesting that if he's managed to make HFR not only palatable but enjoyable, it'd be an endeavor that would be considered interesting, if not revelatory considering how apathetic the public is to the format. The fact it's only 4 years after Hobbit doesn't mean anything. 3D was around for 50 years before Avatar. I mean, do you have a counterargument or are you too busy shaking your head to come up with something?

Save your bullshit reductive labels for people who don't think before they speak, man.

Here is my counter argument:

I didn't expect you to be as reductive to Cameron to suggest that HFR would be THE film advancement that Cameron would be pushing in the next Avatar film but that's what you did.

That is why I said I expected you of all people not to post something like that. Truth is, we have no idea what the mad scientist is working on over there in his lab. And the jab about "distracting people from the fact (I guess it's a fact now) they don't give a shit about the Avatar universe anymore" also seemed reductive sense, it isn't anything anyone can truly quantify yet.

If we were talking about Avatar 3 (after a dismal Avatar 2 box office performance) you might have a point. In this context, it comes off as...hating?
 
How is that reductive?

What do you think the alternatives are?

The guy invented a new 3D filming method last time so I'm not gonna try and and predict what kind of new innovations he will deploy this time but I would guess that (Cameron being Cameron), HFR won't be THE film advancement he pushes.

<shrugs>
 
People keep acting like this thread hasn't just become an all-purpose Star Wars thread for the last 100 pages and it's weird.

"how about that trailer"

Personally the part where they show Samuel L. Jackson talk about bringing balance to the Force gives me goosebumps. Shit is getting me hyped. Can't wait to see the movie!
 
Actually, what'd be a fun experiment for the trailer supercut scientists on YouTube is to do an A/B trailer mashup from Into Darkness and Star Trek to highlight the similarities in shooting style between Force Awakens and those films.
 
What's a star war? Is that like the captain kirk thing with the green women?

No, it's like the one with those like, magical ring things and the grey guy.

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So this thread went from star wars trailer thread to general star wars thread to general science fiction movie thread. I think it's ran its course.
 
1) It goes on for about two minutes too long. The first part of the fight, up until they clash with the Lava explosion behind them (awesome imagery) was fantastic. The choreography is on point, and you feel their frustration and aggression as they fight. After the clash, it just goes on for too long. I think the swinging from ropes, floating on lava robots should have been cut, and another way to get them to the end of the fight would have been better.

Loved all that especially as it started to incorporate the environment. It also led into the final build toward Battle of the Heroes. IMO the pacing was great, but also long enough to be satisfied by the final duel that had been promised for years. Perhaps I indulged in it as did Lucas, but I'm happy about that. Shame about some of that dialogue though.
 
It's good, but where are Kirk and Spock?


My guess is that they kept Kirk and Spock out of the trailer and the poster because they turn to the Dark Side after the Klingon's kill Kirk's son.

Eventually, Harry Potter is going to show up, and convince them to turn back to the Light Side of the Force, just in time for them to defeat the Borg, who are trying to assimilate Narnia. The final ceremony will have Daenerys Targaryan giving Kirk, Spock, Harry, Luke, Finn, and Rey medals (but not Chewbacca), as her dragons soar overhead to the Star Wars fanfare theme.
 
My guess is that they kept Kirk and Spock out of the trailer and the poster because they turn to the Dark Side after the Klingon's kill Kirk's son.

Eventually, Harry Potter is going to show up, and convince them to turn back to the Light Side of the Force, just in time for them to defeat the Borg, who are trying to assimilate Narnia. The final ceremony will have Daenerys Targaryan giving Kirk, Spock, Harry, Luke, Finn, and Rey medals (but not Chewbacca), as her dragons soar overhead to the Star Wars fanfare theme.

I'm almost positive I've seen fan art of this
 
There will be a crawl, 100% its such a silly thing not to do in a continuation of the sage, utterly pointless not to have one, even if its very very brief
 
Loved all that especially as it started to incorporate the environment. It also led into the final build toward Battle of the Heroes. IMO the pacing was great, but also long enough to be satisfied by the final duel that had been promised for years. Perhaps I indulged in it as did Lucas, but I'm happy about that. Shame about some of that dialogue though.


While I can certainly understand the need/want to indulge in what is THE battle in the Star Wars Prequel Trilogy (as Luke vs Vader Pt. 2 is THE battle of the Original Trilogy), the problem that I have with the fight from a storytelling, narrative perspective is that there is no further escalation from the point where they clash, to the conclusion.

Some of the best action scenes (whether they be a fight scene, or a scene of great tension like the T-Rex Paddock attack in Jurassic Park), is that there is always a sense of progression and escalation of the conflict. Ironically enough, the Yoda/Palpatine fight that the Obi-Wan/Anakin fight is juxatposed with has better escalation.

An example I have of escalation in a well done action scene is the train battle between Spider-Man and Doc Ock in Spider-Man 2. Throughout that fight, there is great tension and escalation from the start of the fight to the end. Not much needs to be said between the two characters, because the action speaks for itself. The battle starts away from the city, atop a building, then they tumble down onto the train. From there, they fight atop the train as it speeds along the tracks, with Spider-Man narrowly avoiding hurting civilians as he jumps and flips and dodges low overhangs, passengers, and tentacles. As the fight progresses, Doc Ock becomes more desperate, and starts to fling passengers off the train. That's a point of escalation as well. Spider-Man has to contend with rescuing innocents, while still trying to stop Doc Ock.

He does that, and a flustered Ock disables the brakes on the train, causing further escalation, and Spidey has to decide if he wants to pursue Ock, or save the civilians. Naturally, he chooses to stop the train. Only to have the situation escalate further when he sees, thanks to his Spider Sense, that the train track comes to a drop off at the end that will no doubt kill everyone on board.

What makes that scene amazing isn't just the way it was shot, or how long it was, but the growing escalation between the the protagonist's goals, and the antagonist's goals, and how they attempt to achieve those goals while stopping the other person from achieving their goals.

The Anakin/Obi-Wan duel, loses some of that escalation around the time they dramatically clash against the lava backdrop. We know why the two are fighting, but eventually the tension just drains out of the fight once it moves from being personal, to some kind of over the top swinging on ropes, leaping off of falling bridges, and surfing on lava robots. It's not that it's silly, it's just that it's kind of flat after a while. It's like having a sensitive area get over-stimulated if you know what I mean. Eventually you get kind of numb to it. I feel that way about the Man of Steel action scenes. No stakes, no tension, no escalation = boring action scenes for me.

The beginning of the duel was fire and intensity. They were using everything they know about the Force and lightsabers to try and kill one another. All that jibba jabba at the start of the fight was, honestly, all you needed to establish the pain and frustration both parties felt at that moment. I wish that stuff could have been written better. There wasn't much need to have them have a heart to heart while surfing on lava. All that needed to be said was said. At that point in the battle, it was just, "One of us is going to die here. That's the only way this is ending."

It's unfortunate that we knew going into the battle that neither one of them was going to die, which added to that lack of tension and escalation. How the fight ended was weak, and kind of anti-climactic.

Having Obi-Wan and Anakin clash on the bridge, with the lava backdrop, both of them getting disarmed in the conflict, resulting in more fisticuffs, and have Obi-Wan get the upper hand of that battle, with Anakin falling presumably to his death on that bridge after some gritty fighting, with Obi-Wan picking up his fallen lightsaber, thinking his former friend and pupil were gone for good, could have preserved some of the tension, while still keeping the flow of escalation in tact.

The rest of the movie still could have played out the way it did. Padme dying, the twins being born, Palpatine finding a battered and ruined Anakin at the base of the fallen bridge, burned nearly beyond recognition, and only his rage and hatred keeping him alive. Obi-Wan wouldn't be seen as an asshole that didn't mercy kill his friend after he caught on fire and started being burned alive, etc.

Obi-Wan would not be 100% certain that Anakin was dead, until some point in the future, when he learns of Darth Vader's exploits eradicating the rest of the Jedi. At that point, he was too broken and distraught over his failure to save Anakin to pursue another confrontation with his friend.

I can't say that there is a sweet spot for action scene length, but I do feel that being mindful of flow of escalation and tension, and keeping that from flat-lining is important, and was missing in that latter half of the duel. It still would have been epic and intense had it ended sooner, and had a more satisfactory conclusion to Anakin losing the duel than "I have the high ground!" Overall, I still think that duel is one of the highlights of the prequel trilogy anyway.
 
I get what you're saying, but the escalation worked for me through the various setpieces throughout the duel, as well as the musical buildup to the Battle of the Heroes finale. I liked the slowdown and thought that it plus the music started to signify the end was coming. It was just fine for me, though I appreciate your detailed explanation. It's better than what we usually get.
 
I get what you're saying, but the escalation worked for me through the various setpieces throughout the duel, as well as the musical buildup to the Battle of the Heroes finale. I liked the slowdown and thought that it plus the music started to signify the end was coming. It was just fine for me, though I appreciate your detailed explanation. It's better than what we usually get.

Thank you! I don't like "It just sucks cuz" explanations for why someone doesn't like something, so I try to be as thoughtful as possible when articulating why something doesn't vibe with me.

John Williams score is largely what carries the prequels (and Star Wars in general), to the heights that they reach. It's what escalated A New Hope to beyond just a standard heroes journey told in the style of space pulp adventure stories. Williams is amazing. His Battle of the Heroes score is beautiful, rousing, and melancholy. It's the accompanying dialogue (that Christensen and MacGregor did their fucking damnedest to deliver with the gravitas is needed), and conclusion to the battle that brings it down. Williams score, and tonal shifts and beats still would have been intact had those things played out differently, since he would be scoring the music to the action on screen, so I don't think it would have suffered had it been trimmed and better executed. It would have just made an already good scene great.

With that said, there's nothing wrong with enjoying the scene as it is in the movies, and I don't mean to imply that it is!
 
Speaking of the opening scroll, I was testing out a new Ultra-Widescreen monitor today by watching the trailer (it looks magnificent in 21:9 by the way) and, uh, spotted this just as I was about to close the window:

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Zoomed in for clarity:

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On a hunch, I checked the other trailers to see if they also featured half-faded-out vaguely-letterish objects in the upper portion of the logo screen, and viola:

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It's the same text, albeit a little more faded-out.

Was this already known about, or has Lucasfilm been using a screengrab of the end of the film's opening crawl for literally three trailers and nobody has realized it, despite all of them being viewed hundreds of millions of times on an international scale? How could that be possible?
 
Speaking of the opening scroll, I was testing out a new Ultra-Widescreen monitor today by watching the trailer (it looks magnificent in 21:9 by the way) and, uh, spotted this just as I was about to close the window:

Yo dog, that's not how aspect ratios work. Unless you pillarboxed it, that is.
 
Speaking of the opening scroll, I was testing out a new Ultra-Widescreen monitor today by watching the trailer (it looks magnificent in 21:9 by the way) and, uh, spotted this just as I was about to close the window:

Zoomed in for clarity:

On a hunch, I checked the other trailers to see if they also featured half-faded-out vaguely-letterish objects in the upper portion of the logo screen, and viola:

It's the same text, albeit a little more faded-out.

Was this already known about, or has Lucasfilm been using a screengrab of the end of the film's opening crawl for literally three trailers and nobody has realized it, despite all of them being viewed hundreds of millions of times on an international scale? How could that be possible?

I cant see what you're trying to point out but I am trying.
 
I don't see shit, Cross-Section.

Is this something I have to use Photoshop to adjust brightness and saturation or something?
 
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