Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
They are good still. If protoss is unprepared you can destroy their base.
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They are good still. If protoss is unprepared you can destroy their base.
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
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Incontrol is shit. Clearly any Halo player can go 33% WR against NA players.
Get into Masters Tashi.
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
Upgrades are good.
If you get it at the right time and plan to capitalize using them in conjunction with a large well controlled bio army with 1-1 timings before muta, and 3-3 before Zerg gets 3-3 off of 3 base to aggressively deny Zerg 4ths then yes.
Yea I was thinking more of making a 1-1 push. I'm wondering how big of an army I can make while getting 1-1 as fast as possible. Also, would it be better to do it with 1 barracks with Reactor? 2 barracks and save gas for upgrades? Hmmmmmm
1) You do it off an expand
2) You get your tech and start upgrades, then transition into adding reactors on your 6 barracks.
There's a ton of GSL games played out with fast double upgrades, but I can't remember any recent ones. Most probably have some variation of it.
I'd rather have medivacs than 1-1 at that time. Just pick up shit if it gets surrounded. Their queens going to chase you? HAHAHAHA
What is 1-1 going to do against a ton of lings or banes? Banes don't care if you have 1 armor.
It doesn't seem like a great timing to me unless you catch Zerg just making a 3rd, even then dealing damage would be much easier and safer with medivacs.
At least the 1-1 can translate into a nice 2-2 which really helps dealing with mutas. It's the fast 3-3 that decimates because of drops and expo snipes though.
What about other match ups?
Depends.
1-1 is just a part of a game plan. Why 1-1 and why not something else?
Is 1-1 better than the alternative? What plays to my strengths?
If you are only comfortable with 2 base vs 2 or 3 base Z or P then maybe just sit at 1-1 off 1 engi bay for a while so you can get your medivacs and ghosts out faster.
Factors like:
Can you do well late game on 3+ bases
If you plan a longer game Terran needs double upgrades vs P
If you kill or hurt P before Collosus you can get away with 1-0 shenanigans for a longer period of time, maybe spend all the gas on quick cloak ghosts and bank on hitting 2 clutch EMPs at 12 minutes to win
When you say 'Are quick upgrades good' you need to ask another 10 questions to get that into context.
For your original question the answer is yes, if you are one basing. You are sacrificing far too much to start early upgrades. 1-1 means jack shit if you don't have an expo or stim and combat shield. Upgrades tie in well with longer games.
Hazard already covered most of it but here's my take.
As a Zerg, I'll put down that expo first if I'm any good at all, especially with the maps being so large now.
If you wait for 1-1 to finish and you're doing it on 1 base (which is what it sounds like) any good Zerg will have Lings and banes to counter your infantry. Keep in mind that the scouting Overlord will come in anywhere from 8-9 mins in. You won't have your upgrades done and a Zerg would see you still on base. They stop making drones and pump their army, maybe even get lair and have bane speed at least on the way before you moved out. You'd get rolled.
If you're playing against Protoss, it would highly depend on the build used. If it's any sort of 1-base Colossus build, you'd lose and they'd probably scout you with their observer. DTs would slow down your army and you probably won't have the scans saved up to keep scanning. Archons would wreck your shit too in combination with FFs.
I have no idea how TvT would look against this, but I'd imagine that either Siege Tanks or Hellions would kill you pretty damn quick too.
The main thing to remember with 1-base plays is that they're all or nothing. If you don't attack and do significant damage, you should and probably will lose. I would say that, these days, 1 base plays aren't really worth it.
burrow is one of the best upgrades in the game.
yeah, its so fucking op
TheThunder
Member
I don't understand why so many top zerg players skip it considering it's not that expensive. It should be like warpgate, get it every single time.
So I'm playing again after 2 seasons and I still suck.
Got placed into gold, that's ok i guess.
Played a TvT, got dominated.
Played a TvP, got dominated.
Played a TvZ, got dominated.
I suck.
Anyone know what are the standard builds for T now? I need to grind out something.
TvT, I dunno. I've just been doing 1 base crap.
TvP, I dunno. I dunno what to do.
TvZ, I've been doing reactor hellion expanding.
I've also been grinding out a lot of 1 rax FE but I sure do die a lot.
Got placed into gold, that's ok i guess.
Played a TvT, got dominated.
Played a TvP, got dominated.
Played a TvZ, got dominated.
I suck.
Anyone know what are the standard builds for T now? I need to grind out something.
TvT, I dunno. I've just been doing 1 base crap.
TvP, I dunno. I dunno what to do.
TvZ, I've been doing reactor hellion expanding.
I've also been grinding out a lot of 1 rax FE but I sure do die a lot.
AdventureRacing
Member
You know what's funny is the likes of Leenock are actually helping these zergs in a way. All terrans have to constantly scan all over the map everytime they face a zerg player despite the fact that so many of them don't bother to burrow banelings.
I too am surprised you don't see it more often.
do you like ponies? zerg.
do you like winning? terran
do you like autopiloting simple cheese builds? protoss.
OrangeYouGlad
Banned
Are we to assume he wants all three if he hasn't picked one already?
seems to be the safest assumption given the available data.
How do I develop mechanics?
I also don't really know build orders so that's really hurting me. I know maybe 1 or 2 generic opening builds per race.
protoss apm only drops as you climb the ladder.
platinum protoss: has bad mouse accuracy, must cast two forcefields to cover a choke. 3apm.
masters protoss: has good accuracy, only needs one forcefield. 2apm.
certain mechanics are unique to races and matchups, striek. You cant seriously believe that playing random is not retarding his progress? [and yes, build orders probably are holding him back]
lol
What race are you all playing as? I should put race beside your names in the Barcraft list.
OrangeYouGlad
Banned
I play Terran. Splinter won't acknowledge that claim.
So is he also Terran?
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European OQ Top 8
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Toronto, Victory Cafe, 4pm-10pm, Feb.26th, BARCRAFT:
Going:
Zzoram
Pandaman
scogoth
mcrae
TheNiX
Spl1nter
Maybe:
caderyn / Silversun
OrangeYouGlad
Banned
I found Terran to be more newbie friendly because muling/scanning is easy. Chronoboosting can become the difference between a well timed build and wondering why your shit just got pushed by someone doing the exact same thing as you.
Sweet jesus. 100? You have an artifical liver, don't you?
Panda's getting druuuuuunk.
well, food + donation to the barcraft fund + alchyhole
i dunno man, im not social. i go to bars like once a year!
I haven't been to a TL Barcraft before, only a TL LAN. Everyone was super friendly IRL though, and mostly university students.
Budget however much you want. You'll be in a sports bar for around 4 hours, so you'll probably eat dinner there plus a few drinks. Also, if you want, donate a dollar to the organizer to recover his MLG PPV cost.
$100+travel is plenty, a lot of people won't be drinking that much and those people can budget $30 no problem.
MLG's schedule for Sunday is supposed to be 2pm to 8pm, but it can go shorter or longer depending on if the games are close or not. Given that schedule, and Victory Cafe not opening until 4pm, we'll be missing the Loser's Bracket Semifinals, but we will get to see the Loser's Bracket Finals and Grand Finals.
After the Grand Finals are over, the organizers could put up VODs of popular player match ups from earlier in the tournament for people who didn't buy the PPV.
okay good, always better to have a bit of money left over when you're done. :3
so did we decide if we were all going to meet somewhere beforehand so we can all get to know each other? i've seen pictures of splinter and i've met mcrae once, but the rest of you are a mystery.
so did we decide if we were all going to meet somewhere beforehand so we can all get to know each other? i've seen pictures of splinter and i've met mcrae once, but the rest of you are a mystery.
Wait you guys were actually planning to watch the event! I was coming just to meet and drink
and get raped
OrangeYouGlad
Banned
Oh, didn't know we could donate. In terms of Alcohol cost, if you drink ~4 pints it'll run you around 25 depending on type of beer.
so did we decide if we were all going to meet somewhere beforehand so we can all get to know each other? i've seen pictures of splinter and i've met mcrae once, but the rest of you are a mystery.
I think we should. That way we can get over the awkwardness of having raped Spl1nter before we start watching matches.
okay good, always better to have a bit of money left over when you're done. :3
so did we decide if we were all going to meet somewhere beforehand so we can all get to know each other? i've seen pictures of splinter and i've met mcrae once, but the rest of you are a mystery.
Ya we could meet earlier, not sure what you guys want to do. Maybe go to a Starbucks or Tim Hortons around 230-3pm or something?
Donations will be small, like $1-2 is fine if everyone donates, more if you want them to invest in something fancy for the March MLG Winter Championship Barcraft, the only real cost they have to recover is $20 for PPV and prizes for whatever contests they do.