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[Giallo Corsa]

And you still believe Phil after all these years?

If it isn't a hardware limitation, why can't the game run at 60fps?

It will run at 60fps...when they'll release the XSX Pro which by then, they'll change their tune again and it's all gonna be - again - about "giving the players the options by enabling high framerates to unlock the TRUE artistic vision® which only the XSX Pro can provide"

...and round and round we go...

How can people still fall for this utter PR bullshit I'll never understand.

Mind you, the same goes for Sony - personally I find the FF16 demo horrible due to the framerate which in "performance" mode the game runs at a shitty 40-55fps at best, mid 20s at worst while in "quality" it's nausea inducing due to the almost 30fps limit when playing on an OLED.

It's a friggin' lose-lose situation but many people have to keep fighting the good fight for their plastic box of choice and their beloved cult PR bullshit masters/overlords.

The friggin mid-gen upgrades can't come soon enough

 

[01011001]

FFXVI (and Jedi Survivor, remember that?) are trash at 60fps. FFXVI looks like a PS3 game in Perf mode, but completely next-gen in 30fps.

FF16 looks the exact same in both modes. the only difference is the base resolution before the shitty FSR2 upscales the image.
all the settings are the same. both modes look soft and shimmery.

also in 30fps mode you LITERALLY can't see anything as soon as the camera moves. GREAT FIDELITY!

 

[01011001]

So basically,

"60 FPS would be a large hit to the fidelity, and other sacrifices would have to be made, so they decided not to butcher their game"

No Fucking Shit.

Literally exactly what have I been preaching for years.

Mods, remove my tag. I just speak facts.

you heard the all knowing developer gods! we should not strife for 30fps, that means too many sacrifices. 20fps is perfectly playable and developers have to BUTCHER THEIR GAME just to reach 30 fps, because FPS fanatics like Represent. here want them to push for 30fps!

 

[Hendrick's]

was 30fps on gotham knights a choice?

It's always a choice. Usually the wrong one imo.

 

[Crimson_Fate]

If It is being locked to 30 on PC then it is a creative choice. If not then it likely just a way to save some developmental time and money.

 

[Represent.]

you heard the all knowing developer gods! we should not strife for 30fps, that means too many sacrifices. 20fps is perfectly playable and developers have to BUTCHER THEIR GAME just to reach 30 fps, because FPS fanatics like Represent. here want them to push for 30fps!

Yea I cant wait for the day when everything runs at 120fps! Fuck it, 240 fps, who cares about the rest of the game!

Im running circles around you on this subject.

The devs are speaking and they are in agreement with me.

DF is in agreement with me, there will be mainly 30fps going forward.

Now, the games are releasing and they are again proving me right.

Meanwhile, its just you and the twitter nerds in agreement.

The sacrifice is too much, and too stupid.

30fps is the future, and I am sexually aroused by it.

 

[Kumomeme]

from developers stand point is understandable

however from Microsoft side, all these time they touted their console as 'eat monster for breakfast', heavily boast 120fps capabilities everywhere etc, this actually bite them back

the devs not wrong in this. but those higher ups.

sure, this is a marketing and thats why those tagline is existed but it not gonna bode well if they talk too big to the point infuenced general mass's view toward their product and failed to back it up. people gonna chase them to end of the world no matter how make sense their justification is.

 

[Represent.]

from developers stand point is understandable

however from Microsoft side, all these time they touted their console as 'eat monster for breakfast', heavily boast 120fps capabilities everywhere etc, this actually bite them back

the devs not wrong in this. but those higher ups.

sure, this is a marketing and thats why those tagline is existed but it not gonna bode well if they talk too big to the point infuenced general mass's view toward their product and failed to back it up. people gonna chase them to end of the world no matter how make sense their justification is.

This was nothing but PR hype speak.

What he should have said was “our console can run last gen/cross gen games at 60fps, but when the games start pushing, we will most likely see a return to 30, as the sacrifice is too much.”

And now no one would have any issues.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

He's right but it's still disappointing to not have a higher FPS mode on Series X.

And I pray to the lard it's stable 60+ on PC.

 

[Kumomeme]

This was nothing but PR hype speak.

What he should have said was “our console can run last gen/cross gen games at 60fps, but when the games start pushing, we will most likely see a return to 30, as the sacrifice is too much.”

And now no one would have any issues.

right. or something like "60/120fps is new standard but it depend on our devs team vision over their game"

 

[AngelMuffin]

I was led to believe that the XSX ate monsters for breakfast.

 

[01011001]

The devs are speaking and they are in agreement with me.

DF is in agreement with me, there will be mainly 30fps going forward.

Now, the games are releasing and they are again proving me right.

Meanwhile, its just you and the twitter nerds in agreement.

The sacrifice is too much, and too stupid.

30fps is the future, and I am sexually aroused by it.

see, you want that 30fps future, even tho 20fps is perfectly playable and would offer way higher detail and complexity. people like you are holding back gaming with your 30fps fetish!
WE NEED 20FPS NOW! IN THE NAME FOR NEXT GEN VISUALS!

 

[RickMasters]

An advanced video game with ship building, space combat, RPG mechanics from previous bethesda games, detailed visuals, and people want it to be 60FPS on a measly console... Come on now

If you were lead to believe by Xbox marketing that everything will be 60fps, you got played

I think people with Atleast some idea of tech would look at the hardware inside the SX and PS5 and KNOW that they can’t run a game as complex as starfield at 60FPS.



I’m not suprised and it won’t stop my from playing the shot out of it on my series X….. if I want 60FPS and don’t mind sitting in my gaming chair for a few hours in my studio, I can play it one of my PCs down there. I’m assuming I can use the same save file on Xbox and PC. But honestly…. This is a game I’m gonna play in front of my 65 inch Samsung Q9 with a spliff roled and a pizza on the couch. And I’ll love every minute of it.


Gamepass is SWEET!

 

[64bitmodels]

If peoples want 60 fps, and complain to the point of bothering to go on twitter for it… just buy a PC ffs

made a whole ass thread about it a year ago and people STILL havent learned their lesson, lmao

 

[Rykan]

I am so done with this 60fps cheerleading nonsense. STFU and let devs make the games they want.

rofif lets have a drink.

I agree, Represent. Since most developers choose to support 60 FPS modes in their games, it's time that you stop complaining about it and accept it for what it is. You'll get a few (very few) games that will run at 30 while most support 60 FPS.

Now, the games are releasing and they are again proving me right.

Wrong. The overwhelming majority of games released are releasing with 60 FPS modes and proving you wrong.

 

[RickMasters]

Alternative thread title "PlayStation dev preps fanbase for the inevitable 30fps future coming from 1st party games to the base PS5"

I think it’s inevitable as last gen development is fazed out. These consoles will be pushed to their upper limits and the fixed hardware will show its usual show its ‘ disadvantage’. I only expect competitive games, racers, and games that really require speedy inputs at the mechanical level to be 60FPS and better. But get used to open world RPGs and your big single player cinematic set peice third person action games to all run at 30 for the sale of pushing visual fidelity and complexity.



I suppose we will have to wait till that inevitable mid life refresh Xbox upgrade to play this at 60FPS.


Il be honest. As long as this game is as great, as the promise it shows, I can live with it. Chances are we will still be playing this by then anyway!

 

[RickMasters]

I agree, Represent. Since most developers choose to support 60 FPS modes in their games, it's time that you stop complaining about it and accept it for what it is. You'll get a few (very few) games that will run at 30 while most support 60 FPS.

I think their might be more to it than that…..

In the case of competitive games it’s a must. But I think you will be disappointed if you think big AAA games that push the visuals and the single player experience over input response and mechanics will be running at 60FPS. Let’s all revisit this in a year for shits and giggles. But hey…. As you said yourself, you will be ok with what devs choose…. But you are dead wrong if you think 60FPS is gonna be the norm this gen. I think we have been lucky so far because they were still coding for last gen consoles….. so maybe most games have been Xbox one/ PS4 games with extra bells and whistles. That period is about to come to an end. Let’s see how important 60 FPS is when these devs are selling us their 2024 releases touting their new levels of visuals, and in games mechanics that really push the CPUs. We will be back at 30 in some cases. Just watch and see.

 

[hlm666]

And I pray to the lard it's stable 60+ on PC.

Sounds kinky.

 

[mansoor1980]

Sounds kinky.

 

[killatopak]

Nobody said Life of Black Tiger was unfinished as well.

 

[64bitmodels]

What he should have said was “our console can run last gen/cross gen games at 60fps, but when the games start pushing, we will most likely see a return to 30, as the sacrifice is too much.”

as i literally predicted a year ago when the complaints about 30fps started rolling in... it's only gotten more intense since then

The true fact is that 60 will become less and less feasible as Cross gen dies off in 2023-2024. If you want the high framerates, you should never have bought a console. 60fps will only last for cross gen.

 

[01011001]

as i literally predicted a year ago when the complaints about 30fps started rolling in... it's only gotten more intense since then

we will see how feasible it will be after people get the mod tools and upload 60fps mods.

 

[Rykan]

I think their might be more to it than that…..

In the case of competitive games it’s a must. But I think you will be disappointed if you think big AAA games that push the visuals and the single player experience over input response and mechanics will be running at 60FPS. Let’s all revisit this in a year for shits and giggles. But hey…. As you said yourself, you will be ok with what devs choose…. if you think 60FPS is gonna be the norm this gen. I think we have been lucky so far because they were still coding for last gen consoles….. so maybe most games have been Xbox one/ PS4 games with extra bells and whistles. That period is about to come to an end. Let’s see how important 60 FPS is when these devs are selling us their 2024 releases touting their new levels of visuals, and in games mechanics that really push the CPUs. We will be back at 30 in some cases. Just watch and see.

We've heard the same arguments again and again.

“Just you wait! As soon as cross gen stops being a thing, we'll go back to 30 FPS!” and yet game after game continues to support 60 FPS at launch or, at worst, sometime after launch. Regardless of whether the game is cross gen or not: Nearly all of them support 60 FPS.

Enough with the excuses and the cope. No more “Just wait until crossgen stops or when some magical engine starts appearing”.

Its time to accept the fact that including 60 FPS modes is both a standard and an expectation that developers will cater to accordingly. Nobody wants to deal with a reaction similar to what Redfall experienced. Players want and expect 60 FPS modes and if it's not there, then players expect a very good justification for it, which Starfield does successfully.

There will always be games that will only run at 30 FPS to accomplish what the game needs to do, but it's important to call them what they are: The exceptions, not the rule.

 

[MetalRain]

Well, game is releasing on september, hell yeah it's still unfinished.

 

[Bernardougf]

I love how people act like the game wont be, at launch, scalable to be perfect playable on a low to mid-PC at 60 fps ...talking like 30 fps is the right and only choice for a game and watch almost every pc gamer scale down what they can to get the 60+ fps ... dont know if people are purposely disingenuous or just plain stupid...

Creative choice!!! Not for pc.. there you can blow our criatiive choice to hell and play it as you like.. oh.. no creative choice on the series s either.. there we ourselfs will blow it to hell so you can play it on this weak ass hardware.

Is laughable trying to watch people defend 30 fps only games in 2023... god damn .. have some standards ...

 

[Justin9mm]

I'll probably mix it up and play this @1440p on my 3080 PC and on my Series X. The graphics look amazing.. Not sure if 3080 PC is going to be a lot better sacrificing resolution for better framerate when I have a theatre room with full Atmos surround setup for my console.

 

[coffinbirth]

right. or something like "60/120fps is new standard but it depend on our devs team vision over their game"

Xbox clarified this days later, actually. https://www.tweaktown.com/news/7246...-60fps-mandate-microsoft-clarifies/index.html
Only warriors bringing this shit up.

 

[Silent Viper]

Who is saying “unfinished?”

Read OP.

YT influencer DreamCast Guy

 

[Viking Warrior]

FFXVI (and Jedi Survivor, remember that?) are trash at 60fps. FFXVI looks like a PS3 game in Perf mode, but completely next-gen in 30fps.

I have to remember in the future ALL demo's of any game are the final product and are to be treated as such.

 

[Viking Warrior]

He's right but it's still disappointing to not have a higher FPS mode on Series X.

And I pray to the lard it's stable 60+ on PC.

Wait until the masses discover that this game runs into the low 20's on the series X, it will be very interesting.

 

[bitbydeath]

Who is saying “unfinished?”

 

[Mokus]

It could be a 60 fps game on a PlayStation 5 Pro.

 

[ArtHands]

It could be a 60 fps game on a PlayStation 5 Pro.

Reality is it is running at 0fps across all Playstation models

 

[In Cold Blood]

Umm, it's CPU bound, not GPU. Dropping the resolution will not boost the framerate, only removing alot if the physics would.

 

[rofif]

Oh boy

We have yet another game dev coming out and vindicating what I have been saying.



60fps requires too much sacrifice.

Sacrificing gameplay, art, fidelity and scope all for ... framerate is unimaginably stupid. And selfish.

Cope. Or buy a goddamn PC. I am so done with this 60fps cheerleading nonsense. STFU and let devs make the games they want.

rofif lets have a drink.

People think they are smarter than team of devs who spent millions. Let them make what they want and what they think is right

 

[Kataploom]

30 fps is not a "design choice", it's a compromise, they design their game and sacrifice fluidity for whatever they need. Nobody design a game and say "we rather make it 30 fps because it's better", they say "we need this and that, so 60 fps is not an option".

 

[SJRB]

What the hell is this guy talking about?

It was Xbox themselves that said that games would be 60 fps (Aaron Greenberg strikes again). Nobody is saying the 30fps is because the game is unfinished.

 

[Fess]

This is why console gaming needs the full settings menu. If it’s a choice then why not let the gamers make that choice instead of having to deal with this Twitter drama everytime?

 

[Soodanim]

"Game dev responds to dismissable Twitter claims by single person, struggling game news website desperate for clicks turns into published piece"

I'm part of the problem by even responding to this thread about absolutely nothing

 

[Helghan]

It's good to see that other people in the industry try to explain it too. Maybe people will now listen, but when I read this topic, not so much.

 

[L*][*N*K]

Who is saying “unfinished?”

The things people say ranges from Unfinished to 60fps will be added later as paid DLC, honestly at this moment I feel like most people who talk shit about Zelda, FF16 and Starfield are exclusively commenting from their bathrooms.

 

[RoadHazard]

I still doubt it's purely a visual thing and that they could do 1440p60 if they wanted to (if they could, but refuse to, they're absolute idiots), I think it's that it smashes the CPU too hard to do anything about it without redesigning the engine from the core (which they should but won't). Wouldn't matter if you turned the resolution down to 480p in that case, you still wouldn't get 60fps.

But no, that doesn't mean the game is "unfinished". It's looking very likely to be Bethesda's most finished game ever. Just still running on an old inefficient engine, with a new layer of shiny visuals on top.

 

[hemo memo]

Todd team has the perfect record of releasing glitchfest rushed games. Why would this be any different? Not saying that it is not going to be GotY for many but if you are expecting performance to be solid at release, you only have yourself to blame.

 

[genesisblock]

Oh boy

We have yet another game dev coming out and vindicating what I have been saying.



60fps requires too much sacrifice.

Sacrificing gameplay, art, fidelity and scope all for ... framerate is unimaginably stupid. And selfish.

Cope. Or buy a goddamn PC. I am so done with this 60fps cheerleading nonsense. STFU and let devs make the games they want.

rofif lets have a drink.

Get out of here, I have never heard of a situation where targeting 60fps ever sacrificed this mysterious god-"gameplay". How ironic this SSM Graphic dev quoting DF for predicting 30fps when he clearly worked on a game that has performance AND HFR mode .

Look at the list of this sub-par 60fps and some *gasp* 120fps that selfishly sacrificed, the gameplay:

• A Plague Tale: Innocence (Supports up to native 4K, with 60 FPS)
• Apex Legends (Runs at native 4K with HDR at 60 FPS)
• Assassin’s Creed Valhalla (Will run in native 4K resolution at 60 FPS)
• Assetto Corsa Competizione (Runs at 60 FPS with dynamic 4K resolution)
• Astro’s Playroom (Dynamic 4K at 60 FPS) – VRR Compatible
• Borderlands 3 (Will run in native 4K resolution at 60 FPS and also supports 120 FPS)
• Bright Memory Infinite (Supports 120 FPS)
• Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War (Supports 4K/60 with limited ray tracing, also supports 120 FPS at lower resolution) – VRR Compatible
• Call of Duty: Modern Warfare II (Supports dynamic 4K resolution at 60 FPS with partial ray tracing and optional 120 FPS mode) – VRR Compatible
• Call of Duty: Vanguard (Supports dynamic 4K resolution at 60 FPS with partial ray tracing and optional 120 FPS mode) – VRR Compatible
• Call of Duty: Warzone (Supports 120 FPS at a lower resolution)
• Call of Duty: Warzone 2.0 (Supports 120 FPS at lower dynamic resolution)
• Control Ultimate Edition (Supports full ray tracing at 30 FPS, or dynamic resolution to achieve 60 FPS in Performance Mode)
• Crash Bandicoot 4: It’s About Time (Supports native 4K resolution at 60 FPS)
• Crysis Remastered (Supports 1800p at 60 FPS in Quality Mode, ray-tracing mode at 1440p/60 FPS and performance mode at 1080p/60fps)
• Crysis 2 Remastered (Supports dynamic 4K at 60 FPS with improved effects)
• Crysis 3 Remastered (Supports dynamic 4K at 60 FPS with improved effects)
• Days Gone (Dynamic 4K at 60 FPS)
• Deathloop (Supports dynamic 4K at 60 FPS, ray tracing at 1440p at unlocked framerate) – VRR Compatible
• Death Stranding: Director’s Cut (Supports Performance Mode with upscaled 4K at 60 FPS, or native 4K at locked 30 FPS. Also supports ultra-wide viewing with HDR)
• Deliver Us The Moon (Supports ray traced reflections, enhanced visuals, higher scaled dynamic 4K resolution)
• Deliver Us Mars (Supports ray traced reflections, enhanced visuals, higher scaled dynamic 4K resolution)
• Demon’s Souls (Supports 60 FPS at 1440p with ray tracing, 30 FPS at native 4K with ray tracing)
• Destiny 2 (4K Resolution @ 60 FPS, Crucible gameplay support at 120FPS) – VRR Compatible
• Devil May Cry V: Special Edition (Supports 120FPS at dynamic 1080p, 4K at 30 FPS with ray tracing, 1440p at 60 FPS with ray tracing) – VRR Compatible
• Dirt 5 (Supports 120 FPS at 1080p, 4K at 30 FPS, 1440p at 60 FPS) – VRR Compatible
• DOOM Eternal (Performance Mode: 1584p – 120 FPS, Balanced Mode: 2160p – 60 FPS Ray Tracing Mode: 1800p – 60 FPS)
• Dying Light 2 (Supports Native 4K at 30 FPS, or dynamic 4K at 60 FPS in performance mode)
• Elden Ring (4K at 30 FPS in visual mode or 1440p (or less) at 60 FPS in performance mode)
• Far Cry 6 (4K at 60 FPS)
• Final Fantasy XIV Online (Includes 4K at 30 FPS, 1440p at 60 FPS graphics and performance modes)
• Final Fantasy 7 Remake Intergrade (Native 4K at 30 FPS with improved visuals, or Performance Mode at dynamic 4K at 60 FPS)
• For Honor (4K Resolution @ 60 FPS)
• Forspoken (Performance at 60 FPS with lower resolution at graphical details, Ray Tracing at 30 FPS with lower graphical details but with RT at 1440p, and Quality at 30 FPS and 4K resolution with higher graphical details. 120Hz/VRR support also included)
• Fortnite (4K Resolution @ 60 FPS, 120 FPS at lower resolution)
• Ghost of Tsushima: Director’s Cut (Supports 60 FPS at Dynamic 4K)
• Ghostrunner (Supports 120 FPS at lower resolution – resolution not currently known)
• Ghostwire: Tokyo (Supports dynamic 4K, HDR and ray tracing) – VRR Compatible
• God of War (Dynamic 4K at 60 FPS)
• God of War: Ragnarok (Performance mode allows dynamic 4K at 60 FPS, Fidelity at native 4K locked at 30 FPS, supports VRR/HDMI 2.1 resulting in 40 FPS in fidelity mode and 120 FPS in performance mode) <-- FUCKING LOL
• Gran Turismo 7 (4K 60 FPS with ray tracing or 60 FPS solid throughout on replays without RT)
• Grand Theft Auto V: Enhanced Edition (Supports 4K at 60 FPS with additional ray tracing mode)
• Hogwarts Legacy (Fidelity mode allowing for 30 FPS at 4K and a Performance Mode targeting 60 FPS at dynamic 4K. Also supports VRR)
• Hood: Outlaws & Legends (Dynamic 4K at 60 FPS)
• Horizon Forbidden West (Supports 60 FPS performance mode)
• Hunt: Showdown (Hits new 60 FPS cap)
• Hunting Simulator 2 (Dynamic 4K at 60 FPS)
• Immortals: Fenyx Rising (4K at 60 FPS)
• Iron Harvest: Complete Edition (Dynamic 4K at 60 FPS)
• JETT: The Far Shore (4K at 60 FPS)
• Jumanji: The Video Game (Supports at 120 FPS at scalable 4K resolution, also supports 4K at 60 FPS)
• Kena: Bridge of Spirits (4K at 30 FPS)
• Little Nightmares II (Native 4K at 30 FPS, dynamic 4K at 60 FPS, additional ray tracing)
• Lost Judgment (Native 4K at 30 FPS, 1440p at 60 FPS)
• Maid of Sker (Has 4K at 30 FPS and 1440p at 60 FPS modes)
• Maneater (Supports 4K at 60 FPS with ray tracing)
• Marvel’s Guardian of the Galaxy (Higher detail mode at 4K/30 FPS or lower detail mode at 1440p/60 FPS)
• Marvel’s Avengers (Offers native 4K resolution at 60 FPS, or ‘enhanced graphics mode’ at locked 30 FPS)
• Marvel’s Spider-Man Remastered (Higher detail, 30 FPS, ray tracing at native 4K, or locked 60 FPS at 1440p with toggled ray tracing) – Supports VRR
• Marvel’s Spider-Man: Miles Morales (Higher detail, 30 FPS, ray tracing at native 4K, or locked 60 FPS at 1440p with toggled ray tracing) – Supports VRR
• Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition (Supports up to 4K, 60 FPS with ray tracing and higher resolution textured visuals)
• Mortal Kombat 11 (4K dynamic resolution, enhanced visuals)
• Mount & Blade II: Bannerlord (Performance mode allows dynamic 4K at 60 FPS, Fidelity at native 4K locked at 30 FPS, supports VRR/HDMI 2.1 resulting in 40 FPS in fidelity mode and unlocked FPS in performance mode when enabled)
• NBA 2K21 (4K at 60 FPS)
• Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit Remastered (Native 4K at locked 60 FPS)
• Neon White (Supports 120 FPS at 1080p resolution)
• Nioh Collection (Both games at 4K/60 or at a lower resolution and at 120 FPS)
• No Man’s Sky (4K at 60 FPS)
• Observer: System Redux (4K at 30 FPS with increased detail and high quality ray tracing)
• Oddworld: Strangers Wrath (Runs at 60 FPS at native 4K)
• Olli Olli World (Runs at 120 FPS at lower resolution, or native 4K at 60 FPS)
• Overcooked! All You Can Eat (4K native resolution, 60 FPS)
• Paradise Killer (Supports RT reflections at 4K/60)
• PGA Tour 2K21 (Locked 60 FPS)
• Port Royale 4 (Supports native 4K)
• Quake (Runs at 120 FPS at 4K resolution)
• Quantum Error (4K at 60 FPS, Ray tracing)
• Rainbow Six Siege (Supports 120 FPS at lower resolution) – VRR Compatible
• Ratchet & Clank (2016) (Locks to 60 FPS)
• Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart (30 FPS, ray tracing at dynamic 4K, or 60 FPS performance mode or supports full detail 4K mode at 120hz and 40 FPS) – VRR Compatible
• Resident Evil Village (60 FPS, native 4K, ray tracing) – VRR Compatible
• Resident Evil 2 (Supports 120 FPS at lower resolution)
• Resident Evil 3 (Supports 120 FPS at lower resolution)
• Resident Evil 4 (Supports performance and fidelity modes with additional ray-tracing presets)
• Resident Evil 7: Biohazard (Supports 120 FPS at lower resolution)
• Rocket League (Supports 4K at 60 FPS or 120 FPS at a lower resolution)
• Sackboy: A Big Adventure (4K at 60 FPS)
• Saints Row: The Third Remastered (4K at 60 FPS)
• Scarlet Nexus (4K at 60 FPS)
• Shadow of the Tomb Raider (Now maintains 60 FPS at 4K in Quality Mode)
• Sniper Ghost Warrior Contracts 2 (4K at 30 FPS in resolution mode, 2K at 60 FPS in performance mode or scalable AMD FSR in balanced mode which allows players to find a sweet spot between resolution and framerate)
• Star Wars: Jedi Fallen Order (Supports native 4K and full detail at 30 FPS, or 1800p at 60 FPS)
• Subnautica: Below Zero (Native 4K in Quality Mode or 60 FPS lock in Performance Mode)
• The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Anniversary Edition (Native 4K at 60 FPS)
• The Falconeer: Warrior Edition (Dynamic 4K resolution at 60 FPS or 120 FPS at a lower resolution)
• The Last of Us Part I (Native 4K at 30 FPS, dynamic 4K at 60 FPS, 120 fps at 1440p or lower, or VRR support to enable native 4K at 40 FPS)
• The Last of Us Part II (1440p at 60 FPS)
• The Pathless (4K at 30 FPS, 1440p at 60 FPS)
• The Riftbreaker (4K at 60 FPS with optional ray tracing)
• The Sinking City (4K at 60 FPS with improved textures, shadows and lighting)
• The Touryst (Supports 120 FPS at native 4K, 60 FPS at 8K)
• Tiny Tina’s Wonderlands (Will run in native 4K resolution at 60 FPS and also supports 120 FPS) – VRR Compatible
• Tom Clancy’s The Division 2 (4K at 60 FPS)
• Uncharted: Legacy Of Thieves Collection (Native 4K at 30 FPS, 1440p at 60 FPS or 1080p at 120 FPS)
• Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodhunt (1800p at unlocked 60 FPS, 1440p or lower at locked 60 FPS)
• Vampyr (Hits 60 FPS at 1440p resolution)
• Visage: Enhanced Edition (Runs at 4K/60 FPS)
• Warframe (4K at 60 FPS)
• Warhammer: Vermintide 2 (1440p at 60 FPS with improved detail and effects)
• War Thunder (4K at 60 FPS, DLSS, improved detail)
• Watch Dogs Legion (4K at 30 FPS with raytracing) – 60 FPS support later in 2021
• WRC 9 (4K resolution at 60 FPS)
• Wreckfest (4K resolution at 60 FPS, improved textures, dirt, foliage and shadows)

 

[01011001]

here a developer's thread about the 30fps debate:



I made a full screenshot of the thread as an alternative to clicking through it all:

Spoiler: Image version of twitter thread

key quotes from this thread:
"30 FPS has 33ms of frame persistence, 60 FPS has 16ms. That's a huge difference, both in absolute terms and relative.

VR headsets strive for sub 1ms persistence. Why? Because if you turn your head, you get so much motion blur it makes you physically ill.

While blur won't make you ill on a TV or a monitor, it will make a mockery of the idea that you're actually benefitting from that 4K res.

I was around during 720p -> 1080p -> 4K res console generation shifts, and heard the justifications for supporting the higher res but 30p, vs lower res at 60p.

It was the same thing each time: marketing won over merit. 60 FPS has better gameplay/less latency, there's no doubt

If you actually look at motion resolution, 1080p 60 offers more detail during camera movement, and a clearer image even sitting far away from a TV on your couch. If you only look at static screenshots 1080p vs 4K calculus is very different than 30 vs 60 the second camera turns

As a rationalist I find the idea that "thou shalt not question the gods of gaming handing down the stone tablets for lowly peasants to worship w/o question" to be deeply offensive and patronizing.

4K 30 blurs to < 720p30 THE SECOND THE CAMERA MOVES.

33ms persistence, member?"

 

[genesisblock]

here a developer's thread about the 30fps debate:

Jesus, even a developer has to spell out the obvious.

 

[TransTrender]

Suboptimized, not unfinished

 

[Doctor Hades]

An advanced video game with ship building, space combat, RPG mechanics from previous bethesda games, detailed visuals, and people want it to be 60FPS on a measly console... Come on now

If you were lead to believe by Xbox marketing that everything will be 60fps, you got played

Exactly. I am fine with 30 fps games on console if they are attempting to be ambitious which Starfield looks to be doing with all its different systems in play. That CPU and GPU power is better being used on the current consoles, in my opinion, to create a more immersive world to explore. I can play the game at 60 fps on PC anyway and knowing Bethesda the game will likely get several re-releases over the next decade for the new Xbox generation which would then be powerful enough to run it at 60 fps or even 120 fps.

 

[DenchDeckard]

It would be 30fps on any current console and that is why pc hardware is an option.

It will be 60 one day...on a console in the future.

 

[FoxMcChief]

Oh boy

We have yet another game dev coming out and vindicating what I have been saying.



60fps requires too much sacrifice.

Sacrificing gameplay, art, fidelity and scope all for ... framerate is unimaginably stupid. And selfish.

Cope. Or buy a goddamn PC. I am so done with this 60fps cheerleading nonsense. STFU and let devs make the games they want.

rofif lets have a drink.

It’s fucking stupid that this even has to be said. Sacrifice creators vision to give a few people an extra 30 frames, or do the right thing and make the game you want to make.