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In an interview with Dennis Mejillones, a former Senior Character Artist on Skyrim, Fallout 4, Fallout 76, and Starfield, Kiwi Talkz asked a series of questions related to his career. These related to werewolves almost being cut from Skyrim, the Creation Engine getting complete rewrites from the ground up, and how much he loved working with Todd Howard. They also touched on the removal of more colorful gore systems.

Kiwi asked, "Why was gore removed in Starfield [specifically, like Fallout or Skyrim]?"

According to Dennis, it came down to scope and themes, "That has a lot of implications with the different suits from a technical perspective. There's a lot that has to go with it. You have to cut the helmet in a certain way; you have meat caps to the bottom where the flesh is. We had systems for all of that, and it got turned into a big rat's nest of all these things you have to count for."

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[TintoConCasera]

"That has a lot of implications with the different suits from a technical perspective. There's a lot that has to go with it. You have to cut the helmet in a certain way; you have meat caps to the bottom where the flesh is. We had systems for all of that, and it got turned into a big rat's nest of all these things you have to count for."

Translation: we don't even know how to code on our own engine anymore. Send help.

 

[Breakfast_At_Noon]

"we couldn't be arsed and AI programing can't figure our engine out"

 

[Laptop1991]

Because procedural content is easier to make lol, That's Bethesda now.

 

[Kupfer]

"It takes time and effort, so we scrapped it"

 

[Magic Carpet]

Starfield has a CORE system but it's still loading.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Lame

 

[R6Rider]

They only had 6+ years with most of the game being procedural. Give them a break guys.

 

[drganon]

"Game of a generation"

 

[Ozriel]

Lmao, thread filled with silly posts as expected.

Can’t be calling for devs to manage budgets properly and optimize resources and then show up to scoff at a reasonable reason for cutting out scope that wasn’t necessary.

Nobody is out there saying the issues with Starfield is because of no real gore system.

 

[Arachnid]

It was in development for 8 years and a budget of 400 mil.

 

[R6Rider]

Lmao, thread filled with silly posts as expected.

Can’t be calling for devs to manage budgets properly and optimize resources and then show up to scoff at a reasonable reason for cutting out scope that wasn’t necessary.

Nobody is out there saying the issues with Starfield is because of no real gore system.

I can 100% say the boring enemies and combat would be a little more fun with a gore system.

 

[clarky]

Yeah that was my biggest issue with this game, no real gore system. Shame.

 

[Reaseru]

Cut(Content)Field.

 

[BusierDonkey]

There was a great mod for Fallout 4 that greatly improved the dismemberment system. You could blow the legs off NPCs and instead of dying they would try to sit themselves up and continue shooting until they bled out. You could blow an arm off and similarly they would still fight with the other arm, becoming more aggressive as they attacked.

I was expecting that to be the baseline in Starfield but instead they just shit-canned it all.

 

[GymWolf]

Absolute dumb cunt move.

 

[MMaRsu]

Bunch of idiots.

 

[R6Rider]

There was a great mod for Fallout 4 that greatly improved the dismemberment system. You could blow the legs off NPCs and instead of dying they would try to sit themselves up and continue shooting until they bled out. You could blow an arm off and similarly they would still fight with the other arm, becoming more aggressive as they attacked.

I was expecting that to be the baseline in Starfield but instead they just shit-canned it all.

LMAO I think I've used that mod or similar. Makes combat situations even funnier.

 

[Kupfer]

I can 100% say the boring enemies and combat would be a little more fun with a gore system.

Gorefield has got your back covered.



I mean it's not exactly Dead Island 2 kind of gore, but hey, more than Vanillafield.

 

[Gonzito]

Did it have a having fun system too?

 

[FoxMcChief]

"Game of a generation"

 

[cireza]

At one point, the main objective became to remove everything that was fun in the game.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

A nothinburger. Removing that doesn't impact the player experience that much. Imagine removing the loading screens, though. Kudos to the team for keeping them.

 

[Toots]

Lmao, thread filled with silly posts as expected.

Can’t be calling for devs to manage budgets properly and optimize resources and then show up to scoff at a reasonable reason for cutting out scope that wasn’t necessary.

Nobody is out there saying the issues with Starfield is because of no real gore system.

Only someone with a terminal case of brain retardation (ie a shareholder) would call managing budget or optimizing ressources going back on a feature that is a staple of this type of product for years.

Nobody says the ONLY issue with starfield is the absence of gore, but its absence is very telling of the way Bethesda makes games currently and of the decrease of talent in mainstream devs today.

 

[GymWolf]

Lmao, thread filled with silly posts as expected.

Can’t be calling for devs to manage budgets properly and optimize resources and then show up to scoff at a reasonable reason for cutting out scope that wasn’t necessary.

Nobody is out there saying the issues with Starfield is because of no real gore system.

Gore would at least make fighting absolutely retarded enemies with zero variation a smidge more fun tho.

I side-eye every new game without some sort of at least bullet mark on enemies, at least the very basics ffs.
Even games inbetween aa and aaa lile stalker 2 or atomic hearth have bullet marks and melee marks on enemies.

Do enemies in starfiled even get bloody parts like the damn mgs2?

The whole game feel neutered, from the women to the damage system to the damn private club with silly looking dancers.

 

[LordCBH]

What a lame fucking excuse.

 

[TintoConCasera]

Before Reaper indoctrination:

After Reaper indoctrination:

 

[DownLikeBCPowder]

Sounds like they removed many things from Starfield - for example the survival systems they nerfed. Bad ideas IMO. Just learn to add toggles. Survival is one of my favorite things about Skyrim and Starfield seemed perfectly suited for such a mode.

 

[LordCBH]

Sounds like they removed many things from Starfield - for example the survival systems they nerfed. Bad ideas IMO. Just learn to add toggles. Survival is one of my favorite things about Skyrim and Starfield seemed perfectly suited for such a mode.

I personally would have turned it off, but I really wish it was there for folks like you who are into it.

 

[Kuranghi]

Gorefield has got your back covered.



I mean it's not exactly Dead Island 2 kind of gore, but hey, more than Vanillafield.

Watching this in a cafe surrounded by elderly people, chuckling to myself like a psychopath.

 

[Lucifers Beard]

From what I played it seemed like they also cut the 'fun game' from it too.

 

[Outlier]

Starfield is the WORST Bethesda game I've played.
Even worse than Oblivion.

Todd Howard is delusional if he didn't see the problems with Starfield, way before release.

 

[SJRB]

"It takes too much time and effort" is hilarious if you consider this game was in active development for SEVEN YEARS.

 

[Fake]

Imagine treating your base as a child.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Doesnt Fallout have enemies exploding into body parts?

 

[DownLikeBCPowder]

I personally would have turned it off, but I really wish it was there for folks like you who are into it.

Sure, it sounds like (from interviews) that it was done and in the game, but just completely rolled back. Odd!

 

[mansoor1980]

"it just didnt work"

 

[Big Baller]

I bought the ultimate edition for Xbox and only played the intro

 

[Outlier]

Doesnt Fallout have enemies exploding into body parts?

Yes, but you can see just how ballless Starfield is, as a whole.
This was a failure of developer competence.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Creative Decision™

 

[Badlucktroll]

I can’t wait until elder scrolls 6 comes out and half the map is a barren ass desert with procedurally generated crap in it

 

[The Cockatrice]

Everytime i see Starfield news is them complaining about features cut or negative shit. Well yeah, you made a shit game. Too late to cry about it. They could vastly improve the entire game but they rather give you a garbage paid dlc instead. Fuck them and fuck Starfield.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

I really don't get why devs admit to stuff like this. Especially with a game that didn't get glowing reviews. Just shut up about it and add it to the sequel. We get that things need to get cut at times.

 

[AJUMP23]

I think the game was good. Too much loading though, even if it was fast.

 

[Madflavor]

All those people who told me it was my loss for refunding Starfield after 90 mins of play, man they were so right!

 

[Hudo]

At least they're consistent with removing all the fun out of Starfield.

 

[MMaRsu]

Gorefield has got your back covered.



I mean it's not exactly Dead Island 2 kind of gore, but hey, more than Vanillafield.

Wtf is this stupid shit man, they just turn into skeletons?

Quality modding right there

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Nobody is out there saying the issues with Starfield is because of no real gore system.

 

[chromhound]

It was in development for 8 years and a budget of 400 mil.

Have they made their money back?

 

[Sooner]

Oh, well THAT would have saved it. I wouldn't mind waiting for a loading screen every 30 seconds, if I knew there was a chance I'd see some gore.