Stargate SG-1 is great, maybe better than Star Trek

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I love all of Stargate. Probably my favorite SciFi show. I love the whole ancient aliens vibe.



Skyzard said:
Really fantastic show except for just a few episodes [
when the guy gets stuck down below in some water tank is the main one I remember
. The others being re-cappers instead of more goodness]. And don't watch the later movies, main guy got old/fat for the part.

I liked it better than Star Trek, which just seemed a tad too out dated for me in comparison but I never watched in one after the other like I did with Stargate.
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Yeah, screw that guy for getting old.

/sarcasm
 
GraveHorizon said:
I knew there was a movie and that it finished the series for real, but I never watched it. I did see an episode where Teal'c lived through a time thing and went back in time to save them from experiencing the time crisis, retaining his age and memories, and he volunteered because he would live longer than a human under normal conditions anyway. Don't know how close that was to the end.
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Funny enough, they did another time travel story for their final movie (where they rap up the Ba'al storyline).

Harlock said:
I was thinking about that too. SG-1 is a pre 9-11 show, and the 90s was a relative peacetime. The US military (and US president) had a better public perception those times.
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The problem is that it took place in "real time", inasmuch as a year in the show is a year in real life. But even then, why else would the US be in Afghanistan - to the point where one of its helicopter pilots would get shot down and need to be rescued?

It raises a lot of sticky problems like, if there was a war on terror and they were sitting on all this technology, why wouldn't they use it and prevent the deaths of thousands of American lives and hundreds of thousands of civilian lives?

Also, there are the silly stories where they go to negotiate with the planet that Jonas (what a throwaway character) came from but decide they can't work with them because the planet is split into three countries... yet, as far as I know, on SG-1's Earth, it's not like the Israel/Palestine issue is all wrapped up.

I think the seems started to show the moment the show outgrew its scope of a secret US military program and tried to introduce politics into the equation.

Cheerilee said:
Want to hear a messed up thing?

The Asgard Loki suspected that O'Neill's DNA might hold the key to the survival of their race, so he alien-abducted O'Neill, that way he could study him against his will, leaving a clone behind so O'Neill's temporary absence wouldn't be noticed.

Thor came along and said that unauthorized research wasn't allowed. And in anticipation of someone jumping for the obvious, juicy research target, the Asgard already had O'Neill's DNA copy-protected against his will, with the result being that O'Neill's clones always break down and die. Loki went to jail, and Thor was willing to let the clone die, because... meh, it's just a clone. Who cares?

Then the Asgard declared that their copy-degradation problem was completely unsolvable, and committed mass-suicide. But what happened to Loki, or any of their other prisoners? Loki didn't suicide, he was executed.

The Asgard deserved to die, on so many levels.
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I understand why they wanted to write them off, since the Asgards ended up being the only solution to any problem that they had. When they were first introduced, they had to contrive this alliance thing to explain why they couldn't get involved with all the Goa'uld crap (League of Protected Worlds or something?)... but eventually, it just became "let's call Loki to help us" any time something bad happened.

The one good thing about the Ori showing up is that their power was essentially outside the scope of everything they have ever seen. Although it made the Wraiths and all of Atlantis' silly problems pale in comparison.
 
Cheerilee said:
Want to hear a messed up thing?

The Asgard Loki suspected that O'Neill's DNA might hold the key to the survival of their race, so he alien-abducted O'Neill, that way he could study him against his will, leaving a clone behind so O'Neill's temporary absence wouldn't be noticed.

Thor came along and said that unauthorized research wasn't allowed. And in anticipation of someone jumping for the obvious, juicy research target, the Asgard already had O'Neill's DNA copy-protected against his will, with the result being that O'Neill's clones always break down and die. Loki went to jail, and Thor was willing to let the clone die, because... meh, it's just a clone. Who cares?

Then the Asgard declared that their copy-degradation problem was completely unsolvable, and committed mass-suicide. But what happened to Loki, or any of their other prisoners? Loki didn't suicide, he was executed.

The Asgard deserved to die, on so many levels.
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What really cut me deep though is when they kill off the Asgard like that in SG1, but then reveal an that an exiled tribe of Asgard are still alive in like S5 of Stargate Atlantis:

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A fucking huge WTF moment for me. And they were bad guys and talked shit about the guys that exiled them.
 
I'm re-watching SG-1 from the beginning. The pilot is so damn bad. The nudity and gross-out shots feel so tacked on, as they apparently were asked to be put in by Showtime. At least the nudity was.

Still my favourite show ever. The camaraderie of the team is unlike other shows. Love the discovery and sense of adventure the show has. Atlantis too.
 
I like Stargate for a lot of reasons. Their ability to mix seriousness and comedy is one. The main reason is the same one I like OG Star Trek for - the amazing chemistry between the main cast when the show is at its best.
 
The first season of SG-1 is baaaaaaad. It's a real shame that Universe was killed after only two seasons, because if you judge SG-1 on its first two seasons it wasn't that much better at all.
 
Alucard said:
I'm re-watching SG-1 from the beginning. The pilot is so damn bad. The nudity and gross-out shots feel so tacked on, as they apparently were asked to be put in by Showtime. At least the nudity was.

Still my favourite show ever. The camaraderie of the team is unlike other shows. Love the discovery and sense of adventure the show has. Atlantis too.
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I really hate the first few episodes, when they're still trying to figure out what kind of show they're going to be.

I just skip the pilot, Kowalski, crystal/o'neill kid episode

So groan worthy

And SGU was amazing near the end... it kept going off the rails with the dumb stone sub plots, though
 
I really like Atlantis and the actual characters. Each felt very clearly defined. But man oh man did they butcher the writing for that show. One of the few shows I'd make it a point to be watching each week.

Dr. McKay is the man.
 
Mammoth Jones said:
I really like Atlantis and the actual characters. Each felt very clearly defined. But man oh man did they butcher the writing for that show. One of the few shows I'd make it a point to be watching each week.

Dr. McKay is the man.
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McKay is interesting because of how differently he was written in SG-1 vs Atlantis
 
DiipuSurotu said:
The first season of SG-1 is baaaaaaad. It's a real shame that Universe was killed after only two seasons, because if you judge SG-1 on its first two seasons it wasn't that much better at all.
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The SGU music still gives me chills. Such a good show cut before it's time.
 
Harlock said:
- Talking about humans, is very cool to see how earth is getting better technology along the seasons. They are clueless in the first episode and have spaceships by the middle of series.
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This is one of my favourite things about the show as a whole. Humans go from these clueless explorers to naive underdogs to savvy guerrilla fighters running small precision operations to experimenting with new technology a little at a time, to basic ships and fighters... by the end of the show they're pretty much the most powerful species in the Galaxy but their journey there never felt forced to me. And each time they have a new technology there's always some horrible downside/bug to it which needs fixing.
 
DiipuSurotu said:
The first season of SG-1 is baaaaaaad. It's a real shame that Universe was killed after only two seasons, because if you judge SG-1 on its first two seasons it wasn't that much better at all.
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If anything, Universe's first two seasons are better than SG1's first two, mainly on account of just how strong season 2 of Universe became.

I actually liked Universe's ending for what it was, because it at least gave some sense of closure on Eli's arc from pupil to peer while still leaving things open for the future. I think it was the best we could've hoped for considering how uncertain the shows status was at the end.

Fucking SyFy.
 
DopeyFish said:
I really hate the first few episodes, when they're still trying to figure out what kind of show they're going to be.

I just skip the pilot, Kowalski, crystal/o'neill kid episode

So groan worthy

And SGU was amazing near the end... it kept going off the rails with the dumb stone sub plots, though
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I just watched the Kowalski episode, and it's much better than the pilot. I do remember thinking the crystal episode was boring. Next one is "emancipation." Think it's the one about a planet of subservient women. Don't remember if it's the same one as the crystal episode. But yeah, going to be fun going through this. I never actually finished the series before.
 
Loved SG-1 and Atlantis, really made me angry that Atlantis was cut short for SG:U even though I liked SG:U on its own.

To me Stargate has seemed a niche within the sci fi community, loved it though.

The Atlantis characters are by far my favourite out of all the shows, Dr McKay, Ronon Dex (same dude who played drogo in GoT btw), Dr Beckett, etc.
 
The first season of SG-1 had some old TOS Trek writers on and it really feels "dated" in that regard. Like they even have the same "sexism" planet storyline that was used in the first season of TNG.

The nudity thing in the pilot was due to Showtime wanting boobs I guess.
 
God, I loved SG-1. Probably my favorite bit (other than the wonderful character writing/interactions) is the sense of progression. They go from being barely able to fight the Jaffa to fielding their own space fighters to full-blown battleships. That bit where they kill that one Go'Auld by firing a laser-guided missile through the wormhole... lawd.
 
The best thing I liked about Stargate is how Earth keeps on getting all this advanced technology and becomes like the the most powerful planet in the galaxy by the end.
 
And don't watch the later movies, main guy got old/fat for the part.
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RDA developed rheumatoid arthritis. The Prednisone he went on for pain relief caused a lot of the weight gain. Also, no one is as active in their 60s as they were in their 30s or 40s.
 
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