Fahrenheit
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Cops are seemingly out of control for a while now. People used to look at me funny when I said it. Glad the issue is getting nation wide coverage. Real sad people have to die to get it to happen.
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Staten Island Grand Jury Does Not Indict in Eric Garner Case
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What is this about Garner selling "untaxed cigarettes" that people keep whining about?
My understanding is, you go out of state and buy the cigs cheaper, then sell them on the street. It's illegal sure. Guy should have gotten a ticket not a mob of cops surrounding him for the take down. If he even was selling them at that time, though he had a history of doing it.
Vicetrailia
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It is clear that in NYC money is far more important than civil rights. So I'm glad that the people voice against that because if it not it'll just be gone forever.
I fixed that for you. It's not just NYC dude, it's the whole damn country.
Fuck them. What a fucking vile statement, from a vile organisation.
adamsappel
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If a drowning person can say, "I'm drowning," they obviously aren't.
Coreda
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Dat name.
monchi-kun
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Patrick Lynch in 2011 defends cops fixing tickets for friends and family
http://www.npr.org/2011/12/01/142909989/is-nypd-commissioner-raymond-kelly-bulletproof
What a fucking asshole.
http://www.npr.org/2011/12/01/142909989/is-nypd-commissioner-raymond-kelly-bulletproof
What a fucking asshole.
True, if he said he can't breathe, he could totally breathe. Just like Kelly Thomas--
Oh wait, Thomas died of asphyxiation after repeatedly crying out the same thing.
DrForester
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I'm going to say yes to both.
We seem to have a lot of experts on when someone can breathe or not. Especially law enforcement.
http://www.wxyz.com/news/man-dies-after-struggle-with-mall-security
http://www.latimes.com/local/crime/la-me-lapd-custody-death-20140823-story.html#page=2
http://www.wxyz.com/news/man-dies-after-struggle-with-mall-security
http://www.latimes.com/local/crime/la-me-lapd-custody-death-20140823-story.html#page=2
lowhighkang_LHK
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I wish cops went back to tazing people. At least then there would be no need for fatally killing people with bullets or illegal choke holds.
MisterFalcon
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Better 100 guilty ones free then 1 convicted wrongly.
Or does this not apply to cops ?
Or does this not apply to cops ?
MooseKnuckles
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You have to go to trial first before you can have a conviction. And the irrefutable video evidence shows pretty strongly that a conviction in this case would be anything but 'wrong'.
timetokill
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You'll find nobody who agrees with that more than I do.
But the solution is NOT to just throw up your hands, say "fuck it" and not even have trials.
OnionPowder
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He might be innocent. Who needs a trial you're free to go.
He wasn't even tried, though. The Grand Jury determines if there's enough evidence to indict. Indictment leads to a criminal trial, where he'd have his day in court and a judge or jury determines if he's guilty or not.
Dead victims of police violence get to be tried by secret courts without the need for things such as cross examinations or whatever, and this is all done by people who are clearly biased in favor towards the cops in question. This is obviously completely fair since there aren't laws against it.
OrangeGrayBlue
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That's really one of the most amazing things about all this. He wasn't found innocent or guilty... the grand jury decided he'd done something so harmless that it doesn't even warrant a trial. Just astonishing. I guess a prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich, but not a pig.
SapientWolf
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Speaking from experience, when you're having an asthma attack it feels like you're not getting any air because your lungs and airway are constricting. You're essentially choking. So the first thing you think of to say is, "I can't breathe." Stress compounds the issue. Additional compression on your lungs would make it nearly impossible to breathe. The chokehold didn't help but the dog pile was just as, if not even more dangerous. When combined with health complications like asthma that can quickly be fatal, and this is not the first time someone has died that way.
I think we have to question whether such a violent arrest is necessary for a non violent suspect. There types of arrests can be dangerous. They know who he was. He was not going to run away. He was feeling harassed and frustrated. Understandably so. Suspicion of loosies don't require an immediate response from a team of officers. Although that comes down to police discretion, not a change in laws. It requires an attitudinal change in how policing is conducted in Staten Island.
I'm not surprised the legal system didn't get people the result they were looking for. The legal system gives you no way to negotiate the terms of your arrest, and gives the arresting officers a substantial amount of latitude in the amount of force they can use to arrest you. I don't even think chokeholds are illegal. It would be a difficult case, assuming that the prosecutor even decided to make an effort (and he didn't). The legal system is not your friend here.
It's going to take decades to fix what's broken but maybe in the near term they can put compassion and genuine concern for the community at a higher priority than arrest quotas. Maybe the policy makers will start feeling the pressure to do so.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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They're used to being able to do what they want to minorities with impunity, so of course the union will defend the police to the bitter end. Its actually kind of funny how even the slightest comment that doesn't go in their favor will make them double down hard.
I'd say when the 100 guilty are supposed to be protecting your populace instead of killing them then no it shouldn't apply.
I'd say it doesn't apply to the US.
DrForester
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You keep talking. The guy was not an immediate threat to the officers, or other members of the public. He was standing there. He was non-compliant, but he was NOT resisting. There was absolutely no reason to escalate things to physical force.
I just agreed with you? So my question is how do you move a non compliant person?
We don't know, because they generally don't even go to trial.
Fuck the nypd.
Souldestroyer Reborn
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Hugely saddened. The force used by the cops was excessive to say the least.
At the point where the victim is saying that he can't breathe he should have been cuffed and allowed to manouvere to a position allowing air into his airwaves. He shouldn't have resisted arrest, however the force in used in relation to the situation is not right.
I don't understand how there can be any other explanation in this case other than the cop committed murder.
The other recent case was completley different to this so my opinion differs there but on this one?
The cop/cops should be tried for Murder and assisting in a murder.
At the point where the victim is saying that he can't breathe he should have been cuffed and allowed to manouvere to a position allowing air into his airwaves. He shouldn't have resisted arrest, however the force in used in relation to the situation is not right.
I don't understand how there can be any other explanation in this case other than the cop committed murder.
The other recent case was completley different to this so my opinion differs there but on this one?
The cop/cops should be tried for Murder and assisting in a murder.
Or how about you don't treat a petty misdemeanor like you're taking out Bin Laden. There was absolutely no reason for the allegation of such a small crime to justify that response.
Yeah. They just could've cuffed him normally while standing. There was no need in bringing him to the ground and sit on him.
So maybe answer my question? Lol. What's the the correct response?
DragonSworne
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Minority Report. The cops could see in the future. Garner was about to go Super Saiyan resist mode and wipe out the whole block with his aggressive step and demon look.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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There were multiple cops there. They could've easily restrained him without choking and sitting on him. Hell, at the very least they could've ended the chokehold and moved on to cuffing him when he said he couldn't breathe.
Talk to the fucking guy instead of jumping him.
DragonSworne
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Why did the cops even need to arrest him? Couldn't they just give him a ticket or summon him to court? Was the crime so bad they needed to arrest him?
The penalty for selling lucies is death by chokehold.
Gordon Shumway
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Ludicrous..
Byakuya769
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This is all the white majority needs to hear. Thanks for that.
The police union and majority of Americans have learned jack shit from this whole thing.
At best they whine about being inconvenienced by protests or tell the prostesters how exactly they should protest.
At worst they put all blame on the black people they kill and/or celebrate it.
At best, at worst, and everything in between is what keeping this country stuck in this hateful shit. Some American citizens are allowed more freedom than others and the status quo is fine with that.
eBay Huckster
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Responding to this a couple days later:
Somehow, so far it doesn't seem like he's being smeared with it.
(Weird that I didn't even see anything about this on the usual smearmongerers' sites)
Somehow, so far it doesn't seem like he's being smeared with it.
(Weird that I didn't even see anything about this on the usual smearmongerers' sites)
Incidentally, and not sure if posted yet...
Explosive Device Found Near Durham Protests
More at the link.
Explosive Device Found Near Durham Protests
More at the link.
Stuff going down at DC
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/untol...=JPER&utm_medium=FlashPlayer&utm_source=embed
edit: It's calm now. Apparently Capitol Police punched a protester. Only saw the part where there was shoving between protesters and police.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/untol...=JPER&utm_medium=FlashPlayer&utm_source=embed
edit: It's calm now. Apparently Capitol Police punched a protester. Only saw the part where there was shoving between protesters and police.
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these dudes in the restaraunt giving the camera man the stink eye as they walk past, so he stops in his tracks and starts filming them. dude then puts his cellphone against the window with 911 ready to be dialed.
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