fifasnipe2224
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No I just do not usually buy games at full price. I usually wait for 10% off or more. So I can use my $12 now on DD or wait a bit more for a sale for DOS2 and use the $12 for that then.
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No I just do not usually buy games at full price. I usually wait for 10% off or more. So I can use my $12 now on DD or wait a bit more for a sale for DOS2 and use the $12 for that then.
Both scenarios work for me.
Yeah I don't really disagree with you. I just think that them calling this a DLC survey encompasses traditional expansions, too.
Though I do think there's room for smaller DLC items too. I selected mixed bag because I wouldn't mind seeing them experiment with it.
AHA-Lambda
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This question from the Obsidian survey is terrible
"Imagine you've purchased a game for $44.99 (USD). Assuming you are interested in its announced DLC lineup, what is a fair price for the season pass? (If you never purchase season passes, please answer $0)"
Like, that entirely depends on the content? A 10$ season pass and a 150$ season pass can all be fairly priced depending on how much stuff's in there
Voted for proper expansions, altho the option specifically reffered to standalone ones when i just wanted to vote for expansions in general.
"Imagine you've purchased a game for $44.99 (USD). Assuming you are interested in its announced DLC lineup, what is a fair price for the season pass? (If you never purchase season passes, please answer $0)"
Like, that entirely depends on the content? A 10$ season pass and a 150$ season pass can all be fairly priced depending on how much stuff's in there
Voted for proper expansions, altho the option specifically reffered to standalone ones when i just wanted to vote for expansions in general.
AHA-Lambda
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^why are Obsidian asking such questions in the first place when they already sold a season pass as an add on during the fig campaign??
the_firewithin
Member
this is too bad.
Baron von Loathsome
Member
Well, they're also asking about shooters, casual games, sports games, and PUBG clones, so it's probably not about Deadfire.
Regardless, I already bought the season pass, so whatev.
PCGamers!!! *shakes fist*
Thery are supposedly working on another, unannounced game that's a bigger project than PoE2
This is for all their games going forward, not just Deadfire.
Rockin' Ranger
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Or we're finally going to be getting the multiplayer battle royal cRPG we've all been dreaming of. 100 players fighting to the death in RTwP combat.
Only if they are stand-alone, and post-game. And at that point you could also just make another game.
Generally, adding stuff to the main game in CRPGs (and most games really) does nothing for me, since I don't re-play these long games.
Edit - I'm wrong and obviously waaay too tired!! Bed time for me!
Aww, but that's what they're doing with Underrail.
Mobius and pet octopus
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I replay long games if they add stuff to the campaign that alters it enough. Example, xcom, xcom2, darkest dungeon, halcyon 6... to name a few.
Not really story focused games though. For a CRPG stuff that just mixes in with the main game us worthless. I am not going to replay this long game again to see that. Something that is post game is fine. A stand-alone expansion can sometimes be even better.
In XCOM I can have fun with the new stuff even if I don't feel like going through a whole campaign. It's very different to me.
so Battle Chasers is pretty fantastic. It has the best jrpg style (just not to confuse it with xcom or something) turn based battle system I've seen it many many years.
Once you delve deep into the systems they created and understand how it all works, man its fun. Finished the first (of eight) dungeons on heroic (you can choose normal or heroic the first time, and then legendary if you want to run through it again, diablo style) after about 3 hours of playing, so can already see how this will be easily 30+ hours like people said.
Once you delve deep into the systems they created and understand how it all works, man its fun. Finished the first (of eight) dungeons on heroic (you can choose normal or heroic the first time, and then legendary if you want to run through it again, diablo style) after about 3 hours of playing, so can already see how this will be easily 30+ hours like people said.
Mobius and pet octopus
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We're talking about length, but I would for sure replay a long story rpg if the alterations were good enough.
Hell, there are probably some RPGs I would have loved to have that type of DLC in the past.
That's good to know, I love the style this game has going for it but I didn't know much more on what to expect of it
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Quick question: Has anyone encountered problems with Enhanced Steam lately? Up until recently everything was fine for me but it's suddenly taking absolutely ages to load things, especially on the activity page where it can take up to 5 minutes to load per "page". during which it's locking up the entire browser. The only major change I can think of is updating to the latest version of Firefox but I haven't seen anyone flagging this as an issue, so maybe it's something I've missed? or something else entirely.
LurkerPrime
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So Avadon 3 is on sale... and man, I feel like I'm letting Jeff Vogel down by not buying Spiderweb's RPGs. IIRC his stuff is selling below his indiepocalypse predictions, so I'm not sure what his path forward is. I really like what they do, but I have to be in such a specific mood to play them.
Like, I wish the art and UI--the presentation in general-- was better. Think it'd help them a lot. 'Cause the writing and level design are sooo good, it's just a matter of getting people's hands on them.
I think a mix of both is best. Like a new campaign and new mechanics, rather than just one or the other. A proper expansion, y'know.
XCOM 2: War of the Chosen is a great example. (Firaxis' stuff is generally a good example of xpacs.) Because once you add it, the game is completely unrecognisable with how much has been new and tweaked. Or the Witcher 3's expansion pass, which adds new questlines meeting or exceeding the quality of the base game on top of new mechanics to see. Both are extremely meaty for their price.
I place a high value on meat.
Steam version? Nice.
I could go for a replay of that some time. That character creator alone is worth diving back into.
Like, I wish the art and UI--the presentation in general-- was better. Think it'd help them a lot. 'Cause the writing and level design are sooo good, it's just a matter of getting people's hands on them.
I think a mix of both is best. Like a new campaign and new mechanics, rather than just one or the other. A proper expansion, y'know.
XCOM 2: War of the Chosen is a great example. (Firaxis' stuff is generally a good example of xpacs.) Because once you add it, the game is completely unrecognisable with how much has been new and tweaked. Or the Witcher 3's expansion pass, which adds new questlines meeting or exceeding the quality of the base game on top of new mechanics to see. Both are extremely meaty for their price.
I place a high value on meat.
Steam version? Nice.
I could go for a replay of that some time. That character creator alone is worth diving back into.
berserk armor sets would be pretty neat
i really hope capcom some day makes a new dragon's dogma
that game is amazing
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
I wish his stuff wasnt all sequels or remakes of older games. I feel like Im missing some key element if I start with the second game in a series. And honestly, I probably dont have the time to get caught up so I can play the third game in a series of pretty long and deep RPGs.
When games include lots of little DLCs that update the base game I just end up wishing I had waited for the inevitable GOTY edition or whatever that includes all of them two years down the road.
When a game like a CRPG is out there ahead of release talking about tons of updates coming down the line, I'm much more likely to just refund the game and wait two years for them to actually finish it. This is what I should have done for D:OS1. That original game was terrible once you got past the first act, and I was never able to even get that far. I kept hitting powerful fights I wasn't ready for and things that made no sense. Then a year or so later, the Enhanced Edition came out for free to owners of the original game. I went back and played that and it was like night and day. The game flowed much better and the balance was on point. Waiting and buying games like these later is very beneficial when you're likely to only play the games once.
Luckily, there are about 3-5 gigantic RPGs waiting around for me to find time to play them (Trails in the Sky 3rd, Trails of Cold Steel 2+, Tyranny, Darkest Dungeon, several others I am probably forgetting). Take the slow road and come back to the new stuff later and be rewarded with a better game and a cheaper price!
When a game like a CRPG is out there ahead of release talking about tons of updates coming down the line, I'm much more likely to just refund the game and wait two years for them to actually finish it. This is what I should have done for D:OS1. That original game was terrible once you got past the first act, and I was never able to even get that far. I kept hitting powerful fights I wasn't ready for and things that made no sense. Then a year or so later, the Enhanced Edition came out for free to owners of the original game. I went back and played that and it was like night and day. The game flowed much better and the balance was on point. Waiting and buying games like these later is very beneficial when you're likely to only play the games once.
Luckily, there are about 3-5 gigantic RPGs waiting around for me to find time to play them (Trails in the Sky 3rd, Trails of Cold Steel 2+, Tyranny, Darkest Dungeon, several others I am probably forgetting). Take the slow road and come back to the new stuff later and be rewarded with a better game and a cheaper price!
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LurkerPrime
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Logically, it makes sense to wait for "complete" versions of games.. but still, there's something fun about playing games in development.
e.g. my experience with Skyrim would be completely different if I didn't play it at launch when there was a physics glitch, whereby a giant would launch their target hundreds of meters into the air upon a killing blow. It was patched pretty quick but I can't forget it. Or DOS1 with its infamous man of many cheeses.
They're about as connected as Larian's Divinity series is, AFAIK. So, very loosely.
e.g. my experience with Skyrim would be completely different if I didn't play it at launch when there was a physics glitch, whereby a giant would launch their target hundreds of meters into the air upon a killing blow. It was patched pretty quick but I can't forget it. Or DOS1 with its infamous man of many cheeses.
They're about as connected as Larian's Divinity series is, AFAIK. So, very loosely.
hardcastlemccormick
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Even taking that into account, if I already own seven Spiderweb RPGs that Ive barely touched, plus a good dozen other CRPGs, when will I pick up Jeffs latest title? On the outside, the part of my brain thats superficial and lame, it looks like the same experience Id get if I fired up the games I already have.
This is actually why I havent bought either Divinity Original sin game, because I have Larian games I havent even started once. And I probably should play those first, to justify buying the next games. Of course, OS2s intensely positive reception might change things a bit.
LurkerPrime
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Right. That top bit is where I am with Spiderweb's stuff too. They're all kinda variants on the same thing gameplay-wise, AFAIK.
Divinity is a different situation because each series has very different gameplay. Divinity 2: Dragon Knight Saga is an action/adventure/RPG hybrid thing, Dragon Commander is a strategy/RTS, DOS1/2 are open adventure tactical RPGs, and the other ones.. I don't even know.
And the chronology is even weirder:
I kinda love that they're in the same setting though. It's so rare to have long-running indie franchises.
i feel it's very case by case and it's a lot up to good dlc planning
i love the fallout new vegas dlc because the content in the dlc was something that split off the main story and each dlc fed off the events of the previous dlc building up to an amazing climax at the end
waiting for lonesome road was amazing and the moment it finally landed and all those months of anticipations got rewarded with a really satisfying conclusion (even if the gameplay wasn't the best) felt like a fitting end to a long journey
similarly, while i really don't like most of the content of blood and wine, i think playing it long after i was done with the regular story, as a sort of epilogue that wrapped up not just witcha 3 but the entire series, felt really emotional at the end and i think that effect would've been lessened if i just played that right after finishing my shit with ciri and the wild hunt
i don't think this is the case for every game, for dark souls, for instance, it becomes really awkward to play the dlc as i'm generally on ng++ or something by the time it releases and playing through the dlc on those difficulties is often past my abilities and i end up having to start over just to play it (which in the case of 2 was great cos i love dark souls 2, but for 3 it was just ehhhhh....). or like in deus ex human revolution, in which the dlc is just bizarre in how it fits the story progression, but if you play the game as one complete linear thing, then it's kind of a neat side story?
dlc is a really cool format if devs take advantage of its episodic nature and how it fits in the "meta narrative" of the player's experience with the game. i think the feelings of "coming back" to a game and having "one last adventure" are criminally underused, and i generally prefer dlc that follow those kinds of formats than the dlc that's just like more game that could've easily sneaked into the rest of the main story
tho that's cool too
good dlc is so cool, it's the best
i love the fallout new vegas dlc because the content in the dlc was something that split off the main story and each dlc fed off the events of the previous dlc building up to an amazing climax at the end
waiting for lonesome road was amazing and the moment it finally landed and all those months of anticipations got rewarded with a really satisfying conclusion (even if the gameplay wasn't the best) felt like a fitting end to a long journey
similarly, while i really don't like most of the content of blood and wine, i think playing it long after i was done with the regular story, as a sort of epilogue that wrapped up not just witcha 3 but the entire series, felt really emotional at the end and i think that effect would've been lessened if i just played that right after finishing my shit with ciri and the wild hunt
i don't think this is the case for every game, for dark souls, for instance, it becomes really awkward to play the dlc as i'm generally on ng++ or something by the time it releases and playing through the dlc on those difficulties is often past my abilities and i end up having to start over just to play it (which in the case of 2 was great cos i love dark souls 2, but for 3 it was just ehhhhh....). or like in deus ex human revolution, in which the dlc is just bizarre in how it fits the story progression, but if you play the game as one complete linear thing, then it's kind of a neat side story?
dlc is a really cool format if devs take advantage of its episodic nature and how it fits in the "meta narrative" of the player's experience with the game. i think the feelings of "coming back" to a game and having "one last adventure" are criminally underused, and i generally prefer dlc that follow those kinds of formats than the dlc that's just like more game that could've easily sneaked into the rest of the main story
tho that's cool too
good dlc is so cool, it's the best
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hardcastlemccormick
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I agree, Im a huge fan of Larian despite not having bought their two most popular titles.
I know a lot of people wont share this opinion but most games generally give me the same broadly emotional response or feedback. So despite a wide variety of genres, my motivation for playing the games doesnt really change. Its all interchangeable. I also dont have a lot of brand loyalty. I like Nintendo games but I dont think theyre some godly set of titles that no other game could offer that experience. I find plenty of indie games that give me equivalent experiences.
So even despite Larians output being very diverse, its still an effective rationalization to not spend money.
That's my problem with Spiderweb games. There's no evolution between the entries.
Just a different story, minor gameplay changes and few different graphics (the re-use is so damn high).
someguyinahat
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Not to mention the re-use of SOUND assets. The "chatter" in indoor spaces gets really repetitive and annoying.
Madventure
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oi I was looking for u. Add me on steam cause you are impossible to find, because you people (thats right, you people!) keep using different names everywhere.
Mackenzie 92
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BasilZero
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Holy smokes, this looks good.
Wishlisted.
Father_Brain
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Never heard of this before today, but it sounds pretty intriguing and there's apparently a demo coming on Thursday.
super-famicom
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I will continue to wait.
CDKeys have Nioh Complete ("Worldwide key") for £38.69. Remember there's 5% discount possible from their Facebook page (unless you've used it too many times).
Looks neat, but what I really want to know is: Who are these Battle Chasers? What is their involvement in this Nightwar?
Scrooge McDuck
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So I bought this since it was discounted and since I've been sick for the last few days I got to play it.
This is a fully voice VN of decent length with a good story and wonderful art for 3$. I don't know how you could lose to purchase this unless VNs are not you thing.
I like the first one so much, I went and bought the sequel right after completing it. This is the best praise a can give a game: it made me insta-buy the sequel.
I was afraid that perhaps it could be not as good but after putting 22 hours on it, I can say that it is of equal or higher quality.
As far as content, I'm at 22 hours and there's still one full branch of the story and minor ends I haven't unlocked so it is big for a renpy VN.
One big change is how the story is presented. In the first one you are the protagonist mostly. In the second one, you go from character to character and things are less linear but it works given how the ensemble is presented.
This means that you see a lot less of the main character but it's not so bad because all the others characters are equally good.
I really like the characters. The cast gets pretty big but they all feel unique and relevant. I'm puzzled by how the next sequel will tie all the branch together as far as the characters go (like I figure you would take the heads AND knife since they are all so very vital and interesting - yes, those words are real in-game indicators of characters and it all makes sense)
So yeah, just a little shout out because the devs did some fine work and I'd love for them to get all your moneys.
There's a bundle for everything http://store.steampowered.com/bundle/4736/Book_of_Gray_Magic_Bundle__Soundtrack/
Oo, this looks interesting. Do you know how many parts are planned?