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STEAM | June 2014 - Enhanced Electronics Edition
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derExperte
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I don't have a problem playing games at 30fps if I have to and I played Killer Is Dead like this for a few hourse because I was too lazy and afraid it would mess something up to fiddle around with the config files. Then I did. I'm sure that if it was a bet and I offered 100€ to everyone who can tell the difference 100% could easily do it.
The difference is comparable to how fast this thread seems to move when you're constantly refreshing and when you go away to watch football for a few hours.
The difference is comparable to how fast this thread seems to move when you're constantly refreshing and when you go away to watch football for a few hours.
Before I forget and this thread closes I've extended the deadline for "Steam Game Recommendations for July" by a few days for July submission on games you are excited for in July, granted it's a dry season and the sale will be more on people's minds at the moment but submissions would be greatly appreciated when everyone comes back after the sales end:
Steam Game Recommendations for July (New releases on Steam)
- Every month gaffers talk about what games should be on your radar for the upcoming month by submitting mini recommendations.
- Check the OP to see games were highlighted by our members for this month to get an idea.
Rules:
- 1. Choose a game that you think is worth watching out for in July that is on Steam.
- 2. Write about it, 60+ words would be great, feel free to go over it.
- 3. Send me a PM with what you have written before the deadline: 2nd July
shykyoichi
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It does piss me off how we have to BEG and PLEAD for games to be released on PC. Publisher/Developers saying "we will consider it if you make a petition", or teasing us for months with "yeah we might" or "it's something we are looking in to". It's a next-gen platform and you probably developed the game on a PC, stop being a cunt.
30vs60 is an interesting thing. As long as I can get a solid 60, I prefer it obviously, but if I can't, I lock to 30 because in most games varying framerates are just awful. But I'm much more sensitive to screen tearing for example. I can't stand any tearing at all.
But for example my brother apparently doesn't notice framerates all that much. He was playing some shooter this one time and it was constantly dipping below 30 and when I asked him about it, he hadn't even noticed.
But for example my brother apparently doesn't notice framerates all that much. He was playing some shooter this one time and it was constantly dipping below 30 and when I asked him about it, he hadn't even noticed.
arts&crafts
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Where the hell is my Dungeon of Elements key! Indie Royale always so slow..
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
When I see 30 and 60 fps stuff side by side, the difference is clear as day for me, but when I'm actually playing a game I couldn't honestly tell you at what framerate I'm playing. That said, I can definitely tell dips below 30 fps. I played a bit of The Last of Us on PS3 and it felt awful. I read somewhere (probably DF, can't remember) that the game frequently dips to 25 fps, ugh.
Atraveller
Banned
You brother probably did notice it, but didn't know it was a framerate dip(he was used to it). Get him to play on a better rig for a while and go back, he would definitely notice.
Maybe people really aren't making that much money off PC portsMaybe I should just give up and go back to just being a console only gamer.
hmm?
it seems to be working out well for ghostlight as they already ported Agarest: Generations of War and its prequel Agarest: Generations of War Zero. They are also bringing Agarest: Generations of War 2 and Elminage Gothic.
Bonfires Down
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You know what makes me sad? The ungrateful attitude some people have towards a PC or console port not being to their liking. Some will declare the developers lazy, some will tell publishers what they should be doing, while other instead of trying to engage in any direct communication with the developers or publisher will just get angry about it and whip themselves and/or others into a frenzy. I'm amazed that any developer or publisher would want to interact with people who take that attitude to be honest.
End of the day as customers we don't own them any money but neither do publisher owe us a version of a game that might end up costing more to make than they might make back.
Of course this isn't directed at yourself or specifically at anybody else but something I've been seeing time and time again on this forum and others and frankly something I find very embarrassing.
clockworkinyou
Banned
'Hey bro, ur dangling pretty low'
I agree with you, but maybe customers wouldn't be as angry with the disappointing port, if they didn't have to beg for it in the first place.
Atraveller
Banned
MGR:R's maximum resolution being 1080p is pretty lazy in my book, it's not a bad port, but when it comes to resolution the devs just couldn't be arsed to add resolutions higher than 1920x1080.
Don't know how I missed this one
In the meantime they should put the older games up on steam. You know, like squenix are doing with FF
corrosivefrost
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Seeing a quick review of Wolfenstein with some gameplay has made me want it more than I had before. Do we think there's any chance there's some sort of discount on it during the summer sale?
Oh don't get me wrong having to ask for a game and being teased along isn't exactly a happy experience and the usually closed nature of development were you don't really know what you're getting until it's released (and despite most people professing to know about game development very few of us do, I don't have a fucking clue half the things that go into making a game neither do I claim to) but some of the reactions drive me up the wall.
The Metal Gear Rising thread was one instance. Some of the positions and opinions in that thread were really over the top. It wasn't until JP came in that order really was restored and some people reverted back to a more civilised tone. Granted not being able to accept arbitrary resolutions is a kick in the teeth but for the vast majority of people who would have played it would have been at 1920x1080 anyway. If I didn't like something or it didn't meet my standards then it's not to be sadly and I'll take my business elsewhere. I'm not going to throw around a barrage of expletives or make demands of a company especially if I didn't know how much work was involved to get the title to the state it's in now and how much more it would take to get it the state I'd want.
Maybe that's just me and it's not my place to dictate how others should feel or act but I can't help but think these sorts of reactions don't help anybody out in the long run.
Did you see what Durante and Dario posted in that thread? MGR does something really funky regards to how it queries resolutions and apparently has an odd renderer. That and all the UI elements ended up being set to specific co-ordinates so changing aspect ratios and higher resolutions would break those as well. I have no idea how much work that would take so I'm in no position to call anyone out on their work ethic either. Sadly that's the nature of the beast with some forms of development where they are targeting fixed resolutions and framerates which in this day and age is bonkers and has no flexibility or forward thinking especially the amount of 'HD' ports we're getting as of late.
Rickenslacker
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I really do feel for devs sometimes, especially when browsing the pits that are the Steam discussion boards. Dunno how they can read some of the stuff I see and just take it in stride, people there are animals.
On the otherhand I do get really annoyed when larger pubs essentially withhold PC releases. To get people to double dip I guess? Whatever the case, it's a bother.
It's Bethesda we're talking about so I wouldn't put my money on it. The game's easily worth full price though
BinaryPork2737
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I doubt it will go for anything below 25%, and that's being optimistic.
You can get it for $44.99 at GMG with the voucher FUTEBO-LFESTI-VIDADE right now, though.
Haha, that can be a rage-inducing experience reading through those.
spindoctor
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Do you reckon the opposite is true? Should be PC gamers be grateful to developers for porting a game to PC regardless of how bad it is?
jaundicejuice
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I'm not comparing it to The Cradle, it's just the first level in the game that's been kind of interesting and had atmosphere. Every level before just feels like Shitty Dishonored.
MMBosstones86
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Been out of town all weekend, just wanted to jump in and wish a Happy Fathers day to all the dads out there on SteamGaf.
I'll join your ranks next year
That place is like Mos Eisley. Though to be fair some of the EA devs who have been caught with less that stellar products have been just as bad.
The whole Dark Souls II release date shift and the worst kept secret in GTA V for PC as well as the old way Ubi used to keep their PC releases back are not good for anyone but the publisher and who knows if that hasn't backfired on them before.
No of course not, there's nothing wrong with having realistic expectations like a PC port offering arbitrary resolutions and framerates. Though if there is a case where this isn't to be maybe finding out why first might be a better course of action than to jump to conclusions. Some times it can be an oversite, others it can be a small budget but to a publisher expecting a low ROI, sometimes it could be because a PC port was never on the cards and corners were cut in the previous platforms development that might take a lot of work to fix. I can appreciate that even if something isn't to my standards that work has been done and there isn't this mythical 'Press to Port' button some people think exists.
BinaryPork2737
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The thing about ports that I hate the most is when publishers and devs will constantly say "we'll think about it" or "we're looking into it" when asked about the possibility of ports arriving on a system. I just wish they wouldn't beat around the bush and give a more definite answer one way or the other. I understand why they don't, but it's a practice I dislike no matter what platform it happens to.
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
1) PC drives the technology that moves things forward and gives them a job to even be able to make nice things. If it weren't for us giving the hardware the gaming industry is built on a market, it would move at a snail's pace. We'd all be playing Wii.
2) PC gaming has been about scalability for at least 20 years. Only recently have developers decided they want to release games on PC while limiting resolutions and framerates and whatnot. Along with this new trend has been a lot of extremely arrogant narratives and lies about it being what is best or not possible to offer more.
3) It is laziness. When basic features are in games made by extremely small indie teams who make a game in their spare time, or added to games post-release by a modder in a few weeks, it is proven laziness. There is no large financial investment involved for supporting resolutions, scalable UI, unlocked framerate, etc. These things are inherently built into development, and used all through development, which they do on PCs, and are only limited as the developers choose what to put in player control.
4) With the removal of excuses, which are never justified, lacking support of basic features for PC are simply insulting. We ask for ports because we believe the market is there to justify them. If the publisher disagrees, that is their decision and they can decide that for themselves. However, if they say "okay, we're making one for you guys" and then try to act like they know better than us the 30 years of PC gaming tradition and what is possible, and they are factually wrong, it is a smack in the face. It's like seeing someone who is hungry and saying "I'll make you a sandwich" and then going into your fridge and grabbing an already made week-old moldy sandwich, handing it to them, and then telling them that's just how good sandwiches can get.
Chairmanchuck
Member
It depends...
Some people get offended just by 30fps and while I have to agree, thats a shitty port then, if it only offers 30fps, I am still happy that I can play Dead Rising 3 in August.
Atraveller
Banned
I thought Capcom said you could unlock the framerate yourself, but there would probably be some issues.
One of us! One of us!
I didn't say you'd compared it to the Cradle, I said lots of people and places had in the run-up, making the disappointment only larger when I finally got to it
Didn't think I'd win it, so seeing a PM pop up felt kinda weird.
I... I guess I'll be walking into Mordor in October.
Thanks a lot Sub Zero!
Chairmanchuck
Member
Yeah. I just think that Capcom should let western devs port Games.
There was something similar with Naruto IIRC. Seems japanese just dont know how to properly port Games to a PC...
'Grats, dude!
Congrats Lain!
corrosivefrost
Member
But I can't use GMG credit with that, right?
I can wait for a lower price, I have enough things preordered already and have enough games to finish... I'll just take a wait and see approach with the seal next week.
Congratulations
I hope that you'll play it and enjoy it when it's out in October. My summer sale savings took quite a hit for me to be able to give this away Well only up until recently pretty much every single console ever made was using bespoke components and still uses APIs specific to them, you develop a game specifically for a console then you might also end up coding that to set hardware and such. What was going on in the PC space had little effect to what was going on here as the huge sums platform holders were paying out on R&D. If PC was driving technology why did they spend all that money on research then?
It's only been recently that console games have moved away from timing there whole game logic based on refresh rate where this hasn't been the case in the PC space in decades. If you got a busy scene on most PS2 titles the whole game would slow down where as on a PC title you'd just be skipping frames. You still see this occasionally in engines today where game logic and physics are tied to a specific update.
I have encountered so many indie titles that don't offer higher framerates above 60hz with out increasing the game speed. Some even slow down if you can't keep a constant update Are they lazy now for not having flexibility there?
I can agree with you about not supporting features for a platform you know that your audience is going to be at least expecting. Publisher do need to be more open about this from the get go and to an extent they are as these issues are getting highlighted before games are released now. But you're not beholden to them, you don't have to buy it if it's not to the standards you expect. A non or lost sale is going to hurt them more than a handful of insults.
BinaryPork2737
Unconfirmed Member
Right, since it's a 25% voucher. Worst part about Playfire money :/
Congratulations
I'll be sure to play it when it's out!
The initial reveal already had me interested and the gameplay videos from E3 I got to watch only served in raising said interest more.
the co-op is fun
It is, but I'm a granade magnet. First they throw me a granade when I'm already dead, then when I tried to revive you, and then in the main campaign!
Ah, nice one Lain! Have yourself a good-looking game that you won. Thanks again Sub for the generous giveaway.
Discotheque
Banned
Best stealth game in years. I'm pretty sure it will be on sale though so just wait a week
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