bender
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Steam Restricting Helldivers 2 Purchases in Countries Without PSN
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There's a sarcasm between us. Luke 16:26
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Its just too bad we don't have Peter Moore or Reggie around to throw shade. Would have been lit 
Sleepwalker
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At least you didnt tell him to kill himselfI never thought he'd take it literally when I told him to go fuck himself.
bender
What time is it?
That's my job, not his.
I don't even know what the controversy is. Where did she attack anyone? She just said she's looking forward to them (AH) being able to moderate the game better. Is he misunderstanding something?
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Killjoy-NL
Banned
Just one of the PC crybabies.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Meicyn
Gold Member
He intentionally misunderstands, it’s part of the grift.
feynoob
Banned
It's a mess situation right now. Easier to paint someone bad.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Yeah, but I haven’t had to present my government ID or a freaking face scan to Valve.
There is no way in hell would I trust Sony with my biometrics data. Note that for most biometric identification endeavors (minus gov ones), data sits locally in TPM or equivalent.
Biometric data leaking would be pretty damn bad.
Edit: I wonder if Sony would try to get biometric scans in EU… although reportedly Ireland is part of this scheme.
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Radical_3d
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FunkMiller
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Indeed. Another grifting idiot, who will jump on any controversy to gain clicks and engagement.
bender
What time is it?
Ask again tomorrow.
Tomeru
Member
Oh tomorrow is judgement day?
bender
What time is it?
It's when the PSN Account requirement is supposed to take effect. It's also a Monday so folks at Sony will be back in the office so we'll have a greater chance of seeing if they walk this back.
Fabieter
Member
My bet is that they tackle it like the horizon forbidden west upgrade debacle. Reversing it up saying clear that any future mp game will require psn.
bender
What time is it?
I think there are several acceptable ways to handle this:
-Issue an apology for the lack of proper communication. Drop the requirement for regions without access to create PSN Accounts, keep the requirement in other regions. Offer refunds to people in mandatory regions who do not wish to create PSN Account.
-Issue an apology for the lack of proper communication. Make the PSN Account optional for regions that support PSN Account creation and offer those regions incentive to sign up for a PSN Account (exclusive cosmetic, enough premium currency to purchase a premium War Bound) with a caveat that once a PSN Account is linked, it can't be unlinked.
Fabieter
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I think its smarter to make it optional for this game and make sure they are better prepared next time.
bender
What time is it?
Sure but I'm not so sure Sony will take the ideal route. I also don't think it is unreasonable to have users create PSN Accounts. I just think it's way smarter to use a carrot than a stick.
Fabieter
Member
If course it is but if you fuck up you have to cave sometimes. It won't suddenly fix the damage it has done to the game but it will give some goodwill to build from there.
And since they already sold it to alot of other countries, just drop it for this game. The upside isn't worth it anymore even on a cooperate level.
night13x
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In the other topic - I came to the conclusion that dumb people bitching about signing into psn was a non issue.
HOWEVER - if it comes down to sony restricting access to the countries that dont have psn and removing access to game - that is a total different story. Very stupid logic by sony and hopefully will get fixed soon. My stance on "im mad I have to sign into psn" topic hasnt generally changed if isolated to just that.
HOWEVER - if it comes down to sony restricting access to the countries that dont have psn and removing access to game - that is a total different story. Very stupid logic by sony and hopefully will get fixed soon. My stance on "im mad I have to sign into psn" topic hasnt generally changed if isolated to just that.
HerjansEagleFeeder
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Topher
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I think it is a culmination of screwups that has led to this reaction. If this were only a matter of creating an account then none of this would make any sense. Attempting to bring it back in nearly three months later, the incompetency of selling in non-PSN countries and changing of corporate FAQ language created this shitstorm. It is just a bad situation but it isn't unsalvageble. Sony just needs to fix it.
Paltheos
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Generally my stance too. All of my friends have been vitriolic about the PSN sign-in requirement and I... humbly disagreed. Yeah it's kinda scummy but it's not really that bad. If it's a dumb mandate from Sony, whatever. The sign-in's free and it doesn't cost you any extra. As long as performance doesn't suffer, I don't really care.
Restricting access from countries that don't have the service is another matter though. If PSN login was planned as a firm requirement from the start, the game should never have been released where that wasn't possible. All the criticism there is warranted.
Dacvak
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So is Steam issuing refund for this game or not? I only had like 2 hours played (but I bought it a while ago) and the game just didn’t click for me, so I tried to refund it, and Steam denied the request.
It doesn’t matter all that much to me, it’s only $40, but I almost certainly won’t be playing it again if it requires me to log into PSN.
It doesn’t matter all that much to me, it’s only $40, but I almost certainly won’t be playing it again if it requires me to log into PSN.
Kings Field
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reinking
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I don't know what the communication between Arrowhead and Sony was like leading up to the launch but I assume Sony must have allowed Arrowhead to launch without PSN connectivity implemented. I guess there would have been a delay in the launch if Arrowhead had waited for the PSN login issue. In that case, I think Sony should have either forced the delay or they should make things right by reversing the requirement (which I do not think they will do). This is punishing the customers that have already purchased the product. I applaud people that have purchased the game leaving negative reviews or getting refunds. It is well within their rights. That being said, I believe there are some people seizing the opportunity to add fuel to the anti-Sony fire.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Yes, it sounds like they're issuing refunds even for people not in one of those PSN effected countries.
Sleepwalker
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Not really for everyone, seems to be random since my friends also got their requests denied.
Fabieter
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Maybe they will wait for a official respond of sony. Seems to be premature to grand all refunds tho.
GHG
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I think you're missing the part where people are consistent in their complaints surrounding 3rd party login requirements for certain games on Steam.
GHG
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We've already been through this.
When it's added retroactively this is the outcome, the issue becomes magnified.
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Draugoth
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Sony and Arrowhead should have coimmunicated this whole thing more porperly
Jormatar
Member
Hilarious to see this game being compared to Escape From Tarkov. One game demanded players to take 2 minutes of their life to register a PSN account and other one tried to sell a 250 dollar game mode to its players. These are not the same.
It's gonna be fun to see all the outraged gamers crawl back to this game as soon as the next big content patch arrives.
It's gonna be fun to see all the outraged gamers crawl back to this game as soon as the next big content patch arrives.
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xHunter
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Its easy as hell to bring people to link a psn account.
1. Make it optional
2. Give them free stuff for linking
3. Problems that occur during this can be solved without causing a big outrage ( e.g. accs in countries where they dont support psn)
4. Profit
digital_ghost
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My electric company has alot of bad reviews on Google because people have to create accounts to pay for electricity.
Guilty_AI
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I remember playing Warframe years and years ago and it very much requiring a Warframe account. I don't remember a time when it wasn't required and searching old pages on google seems to suggest the same.
Topher
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Then why don't you start a thread and talk about it?
Guilty_AI
Member
No one in GAF even plays LoL/Valorant.
Still, Vanguard has been hated by PC gamers since its inception
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Fabieter
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I know that its hated but it was still somehow accepted and until now it was in a new game I never played because of the anti cheat System and I have to install this shit now and iam locked out of old account with a shitton of stuff.
The last time I played it was maybe ten years ago on pc and I remember it not requiring anything if you went with steam but my mind might Trick me tho.
Fabieter
Member
The last vanguard thread had like two pages. There is no demand.
Guilty_AI
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It isn't.
If what you mean is that there still exists people playing those games despite vanguard, worry not because it'll be the same for Helldivers 2, even if they lose good will, sales and a chunk of players.
Fabieter
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Yea somehow people bitch about vanguard with valorant for years just so that riot can take it into the biggest pc game. It'd weird. All of my friends just installed it and said its needed why wouldnt I do it.
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