Peroroncino
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I'm afraid it's global.
Steam rules updated to prohibit content that violates rules set forth by payment processors and banks
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I'm afraid it's global.
rnlval
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It's corporate governance overreach, similar to the British East India Company level.Looks like Steam already got busy removing some games from purchase, list includes such classics as:
So far only the more "edgy" porn games are on the chopping block, so SA/loli/incest etc.
Latest app changes - steam-tracker.com
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Nikodemos
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Oshit, I actually had that one on my wishlist, along with its sequel. I wish I could afford to buy the remaining one, but that's a very steep price.
Closer
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Credit isn't your money. You're borrowing money from the bank to pay them back later.
Sakura
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It isn't specific to credit cards.
Angry_Megalodon
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As expected, some `people here trying to gaslight everyone into not seeing what this actually is.
There are global groups like Planned Parenthood who want to impose their wold views across the globe. If they don't get their favorite presidents elected, they do it via private initiatives like this, using crazed feminists and gender cults as spearhead. The same as Sweet Baby Inc was introduced in this industry as a trojan horse.
At this point you should be able to see the wolf under the lamb skin, and it's our responsibility to push back or else enjoy a fucking dystopia where culture and entertainment is censored and real life pedos go completely unchecked. No wonder this would be paradise for some of the white knights defending these initiatives.
There are global groups like Planned Parenthood who want to impose their wold views across the globe. If they don't get their favorite presidents elected, they do it via private initiatives like this, using crazed feminists and gender cults as spearhead. The same as Sweet Baby Inc was introduced in this industry as a trojan horse.
At this point you should be able to see the wolf under the lamb skin, and it's our responsibility to push back or else enjoy a fucking dystopia where culture and entertainment is censored and real life pedos go completely unchecked. No wonder this would be paradise for some of the white knights defending these initiatives.
For the record...I will once again point out that this is not coming from Planned Parenthood's side of the political divide. Quite the opposite.
Melinda Tankard, one of the founders of the specific Australian organization involved in this case, is an anti-porn, conservative Christian activist.
She just likes to downplay her religion these days and only present herself as a feminist, but you can't wipe everything off the Internet.
Melinda Tankard Who?
www.wheelercentre.com
If anything, she's probably happy that "Project 2025" is being implemented in the U.S. right now, because they are also against all porn:
GOP Bill Straight Out Of Project 2025 Would Make Pornography A Federal Crime
One critic said Republican Sen. Mike Lee's bill's definition of “obscenity” is so broad that "Game of Thrones" would not be protected by the First Amendment.
Opinion | Project 2025 proposes banning porn. Here's what that really means.
The far-right game plan for a second Trump term defines pornography to include "transgender ideology."
www.msnbc.com
Hell, these Australian anti-porn "feminist" activists are now even boasting about their campaign and directly linking it to this event:
More people are covering this:
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IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
There's still a shit ton of NSFW games on Steam. I doubt GOG's promotion is for incest and rape games.
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xrnzaaas
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The fact that 'payment processors' have so much power that even Steam had to bend the knee is pretty sickening. It's not only going to be about removing 'incest and rape' kind of games, but a bunch of other ones as well... just have to be targetted by feminists or some other crazy group. And as a developer you'll be left without an option to make money, because wherever you go the same credit card companies and banks will control money transfers.
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forsakkenSoul
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They want to avoid legal consequences. There are countries like Japan, Germany, the UK, and even parts of the US where accepting payments for explicit adult content, even if it's fictional, can cause legal issues, especially if it involves sensitive topics like incest or violence.
They're also concerned about their public image. For example, since 2020 Visa and Mastercard suspended the use of their cards on Pornhub after allegations that the site hosted child sexual abuse material and rape videos. OnlyFans has also faced payment blocks, though I'm not sure if those are still in effect.
So, if they say "we won't process payments for this kind of content", then Valve has no choice unless they want to risk losing payment support altogether.
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Denorion
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An article covering this was censored
Link to original article
web.archive.org
Honestly, Collective Shout deserves the same treatment Sweet Baby got
Link to original article
Group Behind Steam Censorship Policies Have Powerful Allies — And Targeted Popular Games With Outlandish Claims
The organization behind Steam's latest payment processor censorship, Collective Shout, appears to tell some misleading tales.
web.archive.org
Honestly, Collective Shout deserves the same treatment Sweet Baby got
Isa
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Its not just the Pr0ns they're after, its what people live, say, do and consume. There's been a big push in attacking businesses in Japan from payment processors namely Visa and Mastercard, and when those tactics started to fail and got some people into politics simply to defend Japan's artistic rights and freedoms, they then try to lobby politicians and parties or put pressure directly on businesses by no longer supporting them effectively threating to kill the companies since so much business is done not only online but through bank cards which are still tied to Visa and Mastercard.
This is just one angle of attack by these self-aggrandizing pricks. With many ties to globalist overlords(IMF and BIS) and agendas they are trying to make massive sweeping changes to what they think is right or acceptable, offering aid to companies so long as they adopt ESG protocol and change things about their products down to the advertising and content. If those companies step out of line they pull that financial support, and companies in weakened economies already feeling the pinch would be hard pressed to try something that risky. I hate it as I hate censorship but one need only look at gaming companies there to see the impact, but also their(western financial institutions) attempt at getting into the anime and manga industries not for profit or artistic merit but to control the message and art itself. Look at the collapse in sales in western comics and the huge adoption in Japanese manga to see why they do it.
It only began with easy targets because it only generates a small amount of pushback, but give it time and will come for everything else. The vague ambiguous language they used in the terms leaves so much room for interpretation. If they feel strong enough they can slowly start implementing more and more. They aren't going to try and sink the industry in one fell swoop but instead force change through slow enforcement in each desired category until developers are self-censoring at the onset of development. An all-digital future only helps to cement that power and enforcement for these unelected elites trying to rule over us. The typical "rules for thee, not for me" types who push climate change agendas while jetsetting the globe in their private charters and planes, fleets of automobiles and multiple houses. Its all about control down to the very last.
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Jinzo Prime
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If you think about it, you can trace the origins of feminism back to the Christian temperance movement.
But honestly, I don't care what kind of feminism it is, it's all the same to me. It's just women trying to control what men do.
HerjansEagleFeeder
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Yeah there needs to be some form of democratic control over the rules of censorship (in the broadest sense, not textbook "censorship" as that's obviously not what PayPal etc are doing). Some of these platforms have become so huge they increasingly are an annoyance to the public.
Nikodemos
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When they force media outlets to remove investigative pieces on their behavior (see above), it crosses over from "censorship" into actual old-school censorship.
Angry_Megalodon
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They are the main instigators of this and use fringe groups as facade, not the other way around, the same as pseudo-activists like Stop Oil, funded by the oil industry itself.
Nikodemos
Member
The risk with not complying immediately is payment processing suspension. To reinstate it requires jumping through a ton of hoops, while losing millions of dollars for every day you can't sell stuff.
Kataploom
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It should be Oceania only
Peroroncino
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VICE ran an article about those those collective crazies and they had to take it down on the Savage Venture's (owner company) request - due to not wanting to stir up a controversy.
Author got mad about it and told she ain't gonna contribute anymore - several hours later she officially got the boot which prompted 3 of her colleagues to also leave. Now... it's VICE so nothing of value really was lost - but it's worrying that even sites like that are getting a gag order when it comes to that coven of hags. Which I'm sure will only serve to further embolden them to go after more things.
Happy days... :}
Author got mad about it and told she ain't gonna contribute anymore - several hours later she officially got the boot which prompted 3 of her colleagues to also leave. Now... it's VICE so nothing of value really was lost - but it's worrying that even sites like that are getting a gag order when it comes to that coven of hags. Which I'm sure will only serve to further embolden them to go after more things.
Happy days... :}
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Unknown Soldier
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Peroroncino
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It's only gonna get worse it seems like. I imagine once they remove the biggest offenders they'll drill down on other content that's vaguely on the fringes of their rules.
CuteFaceJay
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Very Interesting that the payment processor has a say when I'm pretty sure they are some of the most corrupted people on the planet basically playing their part with banking cartels.
Kacho
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That's the way this always goes. Wait until the extreme ideologues take over and impose their will. It'll be cancel culture on a corporate level.
delishcaek
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There are no legal issues with this type of content in Japan. Heck lots of the games removed are available on Japanese stores like DMM or DLsite (they both have a region lock for this reason). The anime and manga porn industry thrives on this shit and has even worse themes like ryona and even worse guro porn.
Fictional incest and rape porn is also not illegal in Germany. However all porn games on Steam are region locked anyway, because they don't want to implement proper age verification and that is Germany's biggest problem: youth protection and age verification online. I can order shit like Night Shift Nurses, Kisaku or Bible Black from amazon (well, at least for now... god knows when payment processors demand for this to be removed) then have to show my ID to the delivery guy. Same goes for incest porn, however that shit is more niche. You either buy the DVDs directly in porn shops or order them online from said porn stores.
The UK however treats all of this shit differently.
If you want to play the "legal consequences" card then they should all be worried about gay stuff being paid for with credit cards. That shit is illegal in lots of countries in the middle east, yet you don't see them removing it. Or what about games like Manhunt? Illegal in Germany and New Zealand, yet you can buy and pay for it with a CC. The "legal consequences" argument doesn't work here.
yurinka
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The solution to avoid the USA censorship would be to support payment methods not controlled by them, as would be cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin or Ethereum, direct bank transfers, payment via SMS, Chinese payment methods like WeChat or AliPay. I assume that there must also be western payment processors dedicated to adult content, pretty likely not US based.
And then to limit the payments for games featuring nudes or sex to these other payment methods.
In theory it's a law limited just to USA, but Visa, Mastercard or Paypal threatened with dropping their support for several websites -Steam is just one of them- with nudity and sex globally.
Some of them lost their support and had to find alternative payment methods, other ones like Steam is censoring that content. I assume some other one may shut down.
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Diseased Yak
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*sprints to Steam Store*
Whew, Sex with Hitler (1 & 2) are still safe! Had me worried there for a second!
Whew, Sex with Hitler (1 & 2) are still safe! Had me worried there for a second!
Eesha
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i mean, is just Hitler, other than that the game is pretty tame.
{insert code here}
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If we knew nothing, then a few of your arguments could apply (yet I seriously doubt that Steam gets hit with chargebacks quite as much, in comparison to other platforms, since it has reasonable refund policies and it's not an adult only website, plus it has relevant features such as hiding games in your library).
However...when you do the research and realize that the payment processors didn't suddenly wake up in the middle of the night, but were intentionally triggered by a mass e-mail campaign organized to turn them against Steam that was recently carried out by a radical feminist organization in Australia, a group that is against pornography in all of its forms (see my previous post above and you can look up their previous activities online too)...then many of those explanations are of limited applicability in this case.
The text below was from just a few days ago and they've since posted even more about it:
It wasn't "oh no, Steam is facing a lot of chargebacks for adult purchases" (again, very unlikely as a matter of principle), but the result of malicious actors poisoning the well. They rely on the fallacy that something happening in a game means you're somehow in favor of a similar thing taking place in reality. That's not true when fictional characters are killed by the thousands in GTA, and it's also not true in these other games either.
For that matter...
More on that person:
Melinda Tankard Reist - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
These grifters always be grifting like their livelihood depended on it.
forsakkenSoul
Gold Member
Da fuck, are you sure? If that's the case then I must be mixing up the countries, but I'm pretty sure that in some places, this kind of content is illegal even if it's fictional.
Well, but let's assume the issue isn't the potential legal consequences that could prevent these games from being sold, maybe it has more to do with the credit card companies' own rules, or concerns about public image, like I mentioned with the Pornhub case. Either way, as people have already pointed out, this is just the tip of the iceberg.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Hatred couldn't get Steam to buckle but Visa did.
What a twist.
What a twist.
delishcaek
Member
yes, this is definitely a "brand image" thing, VISA has admitted to it a year ago when VISA was cracking down on this content (Head of VISA japan is a westerner btw)
The former PM of Japan has promised to do something about it, but who knows how much power he actually has and this will also not have an impact on the west
Former Japan Prime Minister speaks out on payment processor censorship: ‘I’ll handle it’
Former Prime Minister Fumio Kishida responded to a recent statement from free speech advocate Taro Yamada, saying that he would "handle it". Kishida was Prime Minister of Japan from 2021 to 2024…
nichegamer.com
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MrCunningham
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I won;t go deep into the politics of some of those bans. It seems like PayPal is blocking any purchases connected to various lobbying groups. Is the tobacco industry behind the blocking of vaping purchases?
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Ridicululzz
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Totally real email from a totally real person.
Peroroncino
Member
Totally real email from a totally real person.
'you gotta be fucking kidding me with that shit
Fake
Member
Totally real email from a totally real person.
People really believe on this? lmao
GHound
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Totally real email from a totally real person.
Completely and totally real. These people would never fabricate anything and they definitely aren't unconvicted sex offenders.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
If this is true, this would ban a bunch of mainstream games too.
Not sure if I agree with cardholders having this kind of content-censoring powers.
Ridicululzz
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Diapers?
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