Steam rules updated to prohibit content that violates rules set forth by payment processors and banks
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IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Some of that list seems confused, I'm sure "diapers" is likely only for sexual content.
While I also don't feel comfortable with the idea that payment processors cause "censorship", I'm also not comfortable with forcing them to be involved in the sale of rape / incest / pedo games.
I'd wait to see if this slippery slope argument actually holds true or if only total garbage is removed.
In the end maybe someone like Musk can save the day with a payment processor that you can buy incest games with!
Put "censorship" in quotes because these devs are welcome to distribute this important art themselves.
While I also don't feel comfortable with the idea that payment processors cause "censorship", I'm also not comfortable with forcing them to be involved in the sale of rape / incest / pedo games.
I'd wait to see if this slippery slope argument actually holds true or if only total garbage is removed.
In the end maybe someone like Musk can save the day with a payment processor that you can buy incest games with!
Put "censorship" in quotes because these devs are welcome to distribute this important art themselves.
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falling into hell
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They couldn't sell you their woke nonsense now they will forbid everything which doesn't include "the message". No wonder that the left hates things like cryptos because those shit humans want decide what you are allowed to buy, to eat, to think, to enjoy... They want to control all parts of your life.
It's not just about games I bought a new leather wallet and couldn't pay with my visa card because leather is evil or such nonsense.
It's not just about games I bought a new leather wallet and couldn't pay with my visa card because leather is evil or such nonsense.
It's a weird fetish, to be real, yet shouldn't really bother me if that's what someone likes. Unless you're a criminal, all banks should be neutral towards your interests.
There has to be room for people to buy their own fetish content in peace, because your credit card company shouldn't be the one judging or shaming you for anything.
They should only step in if you're breaking the law, which might create a valid concern due to liability and exposure, but anything else should be allowed until then.
Different countries have very different laws, mind you, but the one general principle is...don't get any minors involved. There's no other universal standard in place.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
In the US the "law" is extremely vague around sexual content.
There's a reason porn companies here use "step-mom" instead of "mom" in their porn or "teen" instead of "16 year old" for that matter. Even a fantasy depicting incest or pedo shit is very likely "illegal" here or would be found as such brought to courts if it's directly called out by the content. Same goes for animation.
There are just some wild west's left that have gone unnoticed and Steam is or at least was one of them.
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ReBurn
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All it takes is to mess with the money.
These payment processors are held accountable by governments to keep money from flowing to places that they don't want it to flow to. They aren't going to absorb fines and sanctions so that some coomers can grind one out for their fetishes.
pudel
Member
I dont get it how this is even legal. Visa, Mastercard and paypal are more or less in control of all these digital payment transactions worldwide and now using their power to blackmail (its nothing else in my eyes) sellers everywhere on the planet what they are allowed to sell and what not, even if that stuff is completely legal. I dont like this development....i dont like it at all.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Why wouldn't it be legal? Free speech only applies to the government censoring content. Private corporations like this can, for the most part, censor whatever they want. Awful timeline we're in, really.
Angry_Megalodon
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It just boggles my mind that there are people who still believe this is about kinky porn. We are just two steps away from applauding censorship in our terraces like fucking sheep.
Dystopian material.
pudel
Member
I mean if the sellers (and their customers) could just choose from many of payment processors...this would be fine. You would just pick a different payment processor and let the others have their morale high ground if they prefer that over making money....but thats not the case here. They literally have some kind of monopoly and even act together in that matter. This shouldnt be allowed.
Sevyne
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Pantz
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Sign the Petition
Tell MasterCard, Visa & Activist Groups: Stop Controlling What We Can Watch, Read, or Play
www.change.org
There's a petition...
Not sure about the wording or target for the petition but it should at least get a little attention raised.
Angry_Megalodon
Member
Using a monopolistic position to breach free market is absolutely illegal. Private companies that hold bigger power than countries should be fought with all the means possible.
This has no place in any democratic country. The US should be the first ones to legislate against it.
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Last Hearth
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If Steam sets itself up tp receive Bitcoin wouldn't that solve the problem, use bitcoin to pay for stuff and you won't have to go through the normal payment systems.
peek
Member
Just shut up and take my money. Porn games lmao who gives a fuck.
DaciaJC
Gold Member
I doubt it. There are already payment methods on Steam besides credit cards, like Steam Wallet Cards and Paypal.
Peroroncino
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Sign the Petition
Tell MasterCard, Visa & Activist Groups: Stop Controlling What We Can Watch, Read, or Play
There's a petition...
Not sure about the wording or target for the petition but it should at least get a little attention raised.
I don't expect much from change/org petitions but what the hell
Setsuna Mudou
Member
Yeah Steam is a private company and can decide what they want or don't want to sell on that store. But hiding behind "payment processors" to ban games is fucking pathetic. How about we buy whatever the fuck game we want and leave the moral outrage back in the 1980's?
No one is forced to buy any of those games, so whose business is it what games other people are playing?
Some weak ass shit Steam, do better.
No one is forced to buy any of those games, so whose business is it what games other people are playing?
Some weak ass shit Steam, do better.
xrnzaaas
Member
Look at it this way - if the payment processors have total monopoly when it comes to handling money transactions they can make it very hard for Steam to continue their normal operations. In my opinion we should be going against Visa, Mastercard or Paypal, not necessarily focus on attacking Valve.
IbizaPocholo
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Xeela_sunston
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The fact the leader Is 61, Yet sounds like the teens that made Tumblr a shithole Is top cringe. The idea that Boomers/Gen-X suffer from lead toxicity & It now starting to show gets more true. Since there recorded proof that Outsider armies that had to fight off the Romans, Noticed they act like Delirious brutes with no self awareness.
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Setsuna Mudou
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That's horseshit... Mastercard, etc would never deny a transaction that is confirmed by the user, not to Valve, ever. This is not the same as sending money to Iran or North Korea where some kind of sanctions/fraud detection is triggered.
Gabe could just do nothing... he chose to do something. It's his company, his right, but that's some fucking weak sauce shit.
pudel
Member
just do nothing and lose 80% of yr income...and finally go bankrupt. Nice strategy!
I think you dont understand when these three companies act together they have everyone on the balls when it comes to international payments.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
They wouldnt deny a transaction - they would remove the ability of Valve to process transactions through their networks completely.
Valve would likely not survive being unable to accept Mastercard or Visa.
ChuckeRearmed
Member
We need a crackdown on payment processors - they are basically a duopoly with Visa/Mastercard worldwide.
Granted I think with crypto eventually some people will move away + some alternative payment processors might appear. There are already some but they are regional or country specific.
Granted I think with crypto eventually some people will move away + some alternative payment processors might appear. There are already some but they are regional or country specific.
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ssringo
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Of interest to US residents. There are bills in the house and senate that seem to address this issue and make it illegal for banks and payment processors to deny service for what is a legal transaction.
I say "seems" because I also don't trust that there isn't some kind of fuckery in the language or behind the scenes. Maybe someone smarter and/or more knowledgeable than I has some better insight.
I say "seems" because I also don't trust that there isn't some kind of fuckery in the language or behind the scenes. Maybe someone smarter and/or more knowledgeable than I has some better insight.
Setsuna Mudou
Member
they would do fuck all
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Except they have done it to other merchants.
Audible Silence
Neo Member
odd choice in game design aside, who are the CC companies to tell somebody how they want to spend their money? In the end aren't they shooting themselves in the foot cuz they can't make their few cents on each transaction? i imagine people are just gonna use paypal or something to get these things anyway. I'm sure theres already some type of market on reddit where people get the games though other means.
ResilientBanana
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No one on steam, at this point. Good riddance.
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StereoVsn
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You lost me at WeChat or Alipay. Western Payment Processors suck, but Chinese ones take it up not just a notch but a whole bucket of notches.
Peroroncino
Member
It's probably paypal that got this thing to go down, as it was unavailable on steam for a couple of days prior to this news for a lot of countries and it's still unavailable for a few of them
yurinka
Member
I never used Chinese payment methods, but make sure that if the westwern ones leave the huge market that porn is, other ones will replace them.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
You think that CCP China allows Porn payments through WeChat or Alipay? -1000 Social Credit, Comrade.
Peroroncino
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Magister
Member
Lmao, being mind controlled and hypnotized. What the actual fuck? Theoretically, this could ban some villains in all kinds of media.
Fuck Visa and Mastercard. Ero stuff is still art. If I buy an erotic painting from the street, they will not block the transcation, but god forbid I play some raunchy games then the thought police will come knocking on my door.
They say no to artistic expression. Those entitled fucks.
Amazon is also fucking shit because Kindle book authors are at risk of being delisted and blocked forever if the content in their books is too controversial. And they have a monopoly on ebooks.
FUCK THE THOUGHT POLICE.
Also, 100% piracy will become even more popular because of this stupid censoring of media.
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Angry_Megalodon
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It's called Overton Window, but in the last 5 years they are speedrunning their beloved dystopia. Having locked sheep clapping everyday at 7 PM was definitely an eye-opener.
rubik's dude
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Tajaz2426
Psychology PhD from Wikipedia University
Yep, said it in the first page. They will start to require their own brand of equity and keep pushing what they see as problematic at some point.
A Trans animal thing with horns backing a woman into a corner, sniffing the hell out of her is alright by them, some guy with a diaper fetish (although weird and crazy a hell) is a no go.
They will be able to pick in choose if they so wish what they deem acceptable for the masses. Unfortunately as seen in this thread you have folks willing to live on their knees. They will accept that corporations know what is best for them.
Steam was the last place I was purchasing games. I'll have to wait to see what happens, but at this point, no purchasing of new games in their ecosystem. Seems for now, the gaming hobby will be closing for me now and in the foreseeable future.
Edit: won't just happen in gaming. It will be happening in everyday situations, such as fire arm purchases, ammo, books, TV shows will have to abide, libraries and bookstores themselves, debanking for political views, etc.
A Trans animal thing with horns backing a woman into a corner, sniffing the hell out of her is alright by them, some guy with a diaper fetish (although weird and crazy a hell) is a no go.
They will be able to pick in choose if they so wish what they deem acceptable for the masses. Unfortunately as seen in this thread you have folks willing to live on their knees. They will accept that corporations know what is best for them.
Steam was the last place I was purchasing games. I'll have to wait to see what happens, but at this point, no purchasing of new games in their ecosystem. Seems for now, the gaming hobby will be closing for me now and in the foreseeable future.
Edit: won't just happen in gaming. It will be happening in everyday situations, such as fire arm purchases, ammo, books, TV shows will have to abide, libraries and bookstores themselves, debanking for political views, etc.
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Wastelander92
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You know this a conservative group masquerading as a feminist group right? They are very anti-abortion, lgbtq, porn, etc
Aenima
Member
Signed. I doubt it will change anything cuz Visa and Mastercard are too powerfull, but if this leads to Steam and other stores to introduce adicional payment methods exclusive for adult games so the likes of Visa and Mastercard cant have a saying in what ppl can consume, it will be a win for consumers. Cuz while today adult games with more edgy themes are being the target, tomorrow it can be the next Witcher, or Cyberpunk, or GTA, or your favorite IP being censored cuz a feminazi group snitched and credit card processors decided that you cant play that anymore.Sign the Petition
Tell MasterCard, Visa & Activist Groups: Stop Controlling What We Can Watch, Read, or Play
There's a petition...
Not sure about the wording or target for the petition but it should at least get a little attention raised.
Walliwallipaloo
Member
Yeah, I know exactly what this crap is. This group all of a sudden comes out of nowhere - is so new that people rallying to its cause aren't even sure if they should support it - and pulls this crap? If they actually had a dog in this fight, why aren't they going after Hollywood? Pornhub?
This... lovely lady won't do that, because she and this entire "movement" belong to the same people. It's a fraud, engendered to get gamers to hate the so-called "puritan right," because the people that own her are worried they're about to lose the young generation forever.
Yes, there are action groups working on keeping the young generation from turning their backs on them. This out-of-nowhere BS is one of the many products of such tomfoolery. Bank on it.
This "movement," right down to its intentionally-irritating name is about as organic as a Monsanto orange.
This... lovely lady won't do that, because she and this entire "movement" belong to the same people. It's a fraud, engendered to get gamers to hate the so-called "puritan right," because the people that own her are worried they're about to lose the young generation forever.
Yes, there are action groups working on keeping the young generation from turning their backs on them. This out-of-nowhere BS is one of the many products of such tomfoolery. Bank on it.
This "movement," right down to its intentionally-irritating name is about as organic as a Monsanto orange.
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Well at least it does not happen in the west free from communism and the CCP
phew…
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
Nero was right all Christians should have been burned.
Jinzo Prime
Gold Member
I'm trying to figure out how a random group from Australia has this much influence on 2 giant American companies. It's bizzare.
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