Steam rules updated to prohibit content that violates rules set forth by payment processors and banks

Ridicululzz said:
Diapers?
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Death Stranding 2 would be banned if these rules become commonplace, lol.


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Some of that list seems confused, I'm sure "diapers" is likely only for sexual content.

While I also don't feel comfortable with the idea that payment processors cause "censorship", I'm also not comfortable with forcing them to be involved in the sale of rape / incest / pedo games.

I'd wait to see if this slippery slope argument actually holds true or if only total garbage is removed.

In the end maybe someone like Musk can save the day with a payment processor that you can buy incest games with!

Put "censorship" in quotes because these devs are welcome to distribute this important art themselves.
 
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They couldn't sell you their woke nonsense now they will forbid everything which doesn't include "the message". No wonder that the left hates things like cryptos because those shit humans want decide what you are allowed to buy, to eat, to think, to enjoy... They want to control all parts of your life.

It's not just about games I bought a new leather wallet and couldn't pay with my visa card because leather is evil or such nonsense.
 
IntentionalPun said:
Some of that list seems confused, I'm sure "diapers" is likely only for sexual content.

While I also don't feel comfortable with the idea that payment processors cause "censorship", I'm also not comfortable with forcing them to be involved in the sale of rape / incest / pedo games.

I'd wait to see if this slippery slope argument actually holds true or if only total garbage is removed.

In the end maybe someone like Musk can save the day with a payment processor that you can buy incest games with!

Put "censorship" in quotes because these devs are welcome to distribute this important art themselves.
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It's a weird fetish, to be real, yet shouldn't really bother me if that's what someone likes. Unless you're a criminal, all banks should be neutral towards your interests.

There has to be room for people to buy their own fetish content in peace, because your credit card company shouldn't be the one judging or shaming you for anything.

They should only step in if you're breaking the law, which might create a valid concern due to liability and exposure, but anything else should be allowed until then.

Different countries have very different laws, mind you, but the one general principle is...don't get any minors involved. There's no other universal standard in place.
 
Madonis said:
It's a weird fetish, to be real, yet shouldn't really bother me if that's what someone likes. Unless you're a criminal, all banks should be neutral towards your interests.

There has to be room for people to buy their own fetish content in peace, because your credit card company shouldn't be the one judging or shaming you for anything.

They should only step in if you're breaking the law, which might create a valid concern due to liability and exposure, but anything else should be allowed until then.

Different countries have very different laws, mind you, but the one general principle is...don't get any minors involved. There's no other universal standard in place.
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In the US the "law" is extremely vague around sexual content.

There's a reason porn companies here use "step-mom" instead of "mom" in their porn or "teen" instead of "16 year old" for that matter. Even a fantasy depicting incest or pedo shit is very likely "illegal" here or would be found as such brought to courts if it's directly called out by the content. Same goes for animation.

There are just some wild west's left that have gone unnoticed and Steam is or at least was one of them.
 
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adamsapple said:
Hatred couldn't get Steam to buckle but Visa did.

What a twist.
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All it takes is to mess with the money.

These payment processors are held accountable by governments to keep money from flowing to places that they don't want it to flow to. They aren't going to absorb fines and sanctions so that some coomers can grind one out for their fetishes.
 
I dont get it how this is even legal. Visa, Mastercard and paypal are more or less in control of all these digital payment transactions worldwide and now using their power to blackmail (its nothing else in my eyes) sellers everywhere on the planet what they are allowed to sell and what not, even if that stuff is completely legal. I dont like this development....i dont like it at all.
 
pudel said:
I dont get it how this is even legal. Visa, Mastercard and paypal are more or less in control of all these digital payment transactions worldwide and now using their power to blackmail (its nothing else in my eyes) sellers everywhere on the planet what they are allowed to sell and what not, even if that stuff is completely legal. I dont like this development....i dont like it at all.
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Why wouldn't it be legal? Free speech only applies to the government censoring content. Private corporations like this can, for the most part, censor whatever they want. Awful timeline we're in, really.
 
pudel said:
I dont get it how this is even legal. Visa, Mastercard and paypal are more or less in control of all these digital payment transactions worldwide and now using their power to blackmail (its nothing else in my eyes) sellers everywhere on the planet what they are allowed to sell and what not, even if that stuff is completely legal. I dont like this development....i dont like it at all.
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It just boggles my mind that there are people who still believe this is about kinky porn. We are just two steps away from applauding censorship in our terraces like fucking sheep.

Dystopian material.
 
Danny Dudekisser said:
Why wouldn't it be legal? Free speech only applies to the government censoring content. Private corporations like this can, for the most part, censor whatever they want. Awful timeline we're in, really.
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I mean if the sellers (and their customers) could just choose from many of payment processors...this would be fine. You would just pick a different payment processor and let the others have their morale high ground if they prefer that over making money....but thats not the case here. They literally have some kind of monopoly and even act together in that matter. This shouldnt be allowed.
 
crackajack said:
Those anti freedom lobby groups are terrible, leading us directly in some Demolition Man / Equilibrium / 1984 / Brave New World jail.
Anything sexualised, any violance, alcohol and drugs, offensive jokes.... they hate pretty much everything and essentially love dictatorships without realising it.
"The West" was successful because we had and fought for decent freedom, while other regions suffered from repressive mind policing and these dumbasses fight to get us there too. smh
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Report to your nearest Visa terminal please!
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www.change.org

Sign the Petition

Tell MasterCard, Visa & Activist Groups: Stop Controlling What We Can Watch, Read, or Play
www.change.org www.change.org

There's a petition...
Not sure about the wording or target for the petition but it should at least get a little attention raised.
 
Danny Dudekisser said:
Why wouldn't it be legal? Free speech only applies to the government censoring content. Private corporations like this can, for the most part, censor whatever they want. Awful timeline we're in, really.
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Using a monopolistic position to breach free market is absolutely illegal. Private companies that hold bigger power than countries should be fought with all the means possible.

This has no place in any democratic country. The US should be the first ones to legislate against it.
 
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It would be nice if the banks were doing more to prevent people being scammed but ok, guess their way of saving the world is stopping people buying porn games.
 
If Steam sets itself up tp receive Bitcoin wouldn't that solve the problem, use bitcoin to pay for stuff and you won't have to go through the normal payment systems.
 
forsakkenSoul said:
They want to avoid legal consequences. There are countries like Japan, Germany, the UK, and even parts of the US where accepting payments for explicit adult content, even if it's fictional, can cause legal issues, especially if it involves sensitive topics like incest or violence.

They're also concerned about their public image. For example, since 2020 Visa and Mastercard suspended the use of their cards on Pornhub after allegations that the site hosted child sexual abuse material and rape videos. OnlyFans has also faced payment blocks, though I'm not sure if those are still in effect.

So, if they say "we won't process payments for this kind of content", then Valve has no choice unless they want to risk losing payment support altogether.
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Just shut up and take my money. Porn games lmao who gives a fuck.
 
Last Hearth said:
If Steam sets itself up tp receive Bitcoin wouldn't that solve the problem, use bitcoin to pay for stuff and you won't have to go through the normal payment systems.
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I doubt it. There are already payment methods on Steam besides credit cards, like Steam Wallet Cards and Paypal.
 
Yeah Steam is a private company and can decide what they want or don't want to sell on that store. But hiding behind "payment processors" to ban games is fucking pathetic. How about we buy whatever the fuck game we want and leave the moral outrage back in the 1980's?

No one is forced to buy any of those games, so whose business is it what games other people are playing?

Some weak ass shit Steam, do better.
 
Setsuna Mudou said:
Yeah Steam is a private company and can decide what they want or don't want to sell on that store. But hiding behind "payment processors" to ban games is fucking pathetic. How about we buy whatever the fuck game we want and leave the moral outrage back in the 1980's?

No one is forced to buy any of those games, so whose business is it what games other people are playing?

Some weak ass shit Steam, do better.
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Look at it this way - if the payment processors have total monopoly when it comes to handling money transactions they can make it very hard for Steam to continue their normal operations. In my opinion we should be going against Visa, Mastercard or Paypal, not necessarily focus on attacking Valve.
 


Collective shout, the group behind the steam censorship was just exposed for being massive hypocrites, proving to be anti leftist ideology, resulting in multiple feminist shills on the left being forced to retract and delete tweets trying to partner with this group.
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The fact the leader Is 61, Yet sounds like the teens that made Tumblr a shithole Is top cringe. The idea that Boomers/Gen-X suffer from lead toxicity & It now starting to show gets more true. Since there recorded proof that Outsider armies that had to fight off the Romans, Noticed they act like Delirious brutes with no self awareness.

 
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xrnzaaas said:
Look at it this way - if the payment processors have total monopoly when it comes to handling money transactions they can make it very hard for Steam to continue their normal operations. In my opinion we should be going against Visa, Mastercard or Paypal, not necessarily focus on attacking Valve.
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That's horseshit... Mastercard, etc would never deny a transaction that is confirmed by the user, not to Valve, ever. This is not the same as sending money to Iran or North Korea where some kind of sanctions/fraud detection is triggered.

Gabe could just do nothing... he chose to do something. It's his company, his right, but that's some fucking weak sauce shit.
 
Setsuna Mudou said:
Gabe could just do nothing... he chose to do something. It's his company, his right, but that's some fucking weak sauce shit.
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just do nothing and lose 80% of yr income...and finally go bankrupt. Nice strategy!

I think you dont understand when these three companies act together they have everyone on the balls when it comes to international payments. :messenger_expressionless:
 
Setsuna Mudou said:
That's horseshit... Mastercard, etc would never deny a transaction that is confirmed by the user, not to Valve, ever. This is not the same as sending money to Iran or North Korea where some kind of sanctions/fraud detection is triggered.

Gabe could just do nothing... he chose to do something. It's his company, his right, but that's some fucking weak sauce shit.
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They wouldnt deny a transaction - they would remove the ability of Valve to process transactions through their networks completely.
Valve would likely not survive being unable to accept Mastercard or Visa.
 
We need a crackdown on payment processors - they are basically a duopoly with Visa/Mastercard worldwide.

Granted I think with crypto eventually some people will move away + some alternative payment processors might appear. There are already some but they are regional or country specific.
 
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Of interest to US residents. There are bills in the house and senate that seem to address this issue and make it illegal for banks and payment processors to deny service for what is a legal transaction.


I say "seems" because I also don't trust that there isn't some kind of fuckery in the language or behind the scenes. Maybe someone smarter and/or more knowledgeable than I has some better insight.
 
odd choice in game design aside, who are the CC companies to tell somebody how they want to spend their money? In the end aren't they shooting themselves in the foot cuz they can't make their few cents on each transaction? i imagine people are just gonna use paypal or something to get these things anyway. I'm sure theres already some type of market on reddit where people get the games though other means.
 
yurinka said:
The solution to avoid the USA censorship would be to support payment methods not controlled by them, as would be cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin or Ethereum, direct bank transfers, payment via SMS, Chinese payment methods like WeChat or AliPay. I assume that there must also be western payment processors dedicated to adult content, pretty likely not US based.

And then to limit the payments for games featuring nudes or sex to these other payment methods.


In theory it's a law limited just to USA, but Visa, Mastercard or Paypal threatened with dropping their support for several websites -Steam is just one of them- with nudity and sex globally.

Some of them lost their support and had to find alternative payment methods, other ones like Steam is censoring that content. I assume some other one may shut down.
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You lost me at WeChat or Alipay. Western Payment Processors suck, but Chinese ones take it up not just a notch but a whole bucket of notches.
 
Audible Silence said:
odd choice in game design aside, who are the CC companies to tell somebody how they want to spend their money? In the end aren't they shooting themselves in the foot cuz they can't make their few cents on each transaction? i imagine people are just gonna use paypal or something to get these things anyway. I'm sure theres already some type of market on reddit where people get the games though other means.
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It's probably paypal that got this thing to go down, as it was unavailable on steam for a couple of days prior to this news for a lot of countries and it's still unavailable for a few of them

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StereoVsn said:
You lost me at WeChat or Alipay. Western Payment Processors suck, but Chinese ones take it up not just a notch but a whole bucket of notches.
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I never used Chinese payment methods, but make sure that if the westwern ones leave the huge market that porn is, other ones will replace them.
 
Coincidence? I think not. :goog_crying:


graywolf323

Thread 'Itch.io shadow bans all adult games'



after Steam removed some adult games earlier this week, Itch has gone a step further and made it so you can't even find them while also removing certain games like Steam did

needless to say X is in an uproar over this



edit: a Reddit thread with game devs discussing it

edit: adding Itch's statement, the community note on X says they've also removed some games from the library of people that have bought them without providing a refund, I haven't seen this reported elsewhere so I'm not sure how legitimate that is but if so that's...
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