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Stock-Age: Stocks, Options and Dividends oh my!

evergoo

Neo Member
Just sold my long-term shares of Nintendo and earned a realized gain of 18% after fees. I bought it before Wii U and sold it after the system's dismal sales. Two-generations-of-domination theory failed. =/

In the past five days, Nintendo has shot up 11.7%, including today's 7.6% gain. I have no idea why it's rising so quickly, but I'm happy to get out.
If you aren't in on Sony now, you might want to get in.

By this time next year who knows how high it will be after the PS4 launches and sells every unit Sony can make.
I personally would not invest in Sony, because they don't have wide economic moats in many of their businesses. I do not foresee them being the market leader in handhelds, tvs, PCs, cellphones, and audio devices anytime in the next decade. In fact, some of their divisions are in the red. Is the PS4 even sold at a profit?
 

No Love

Banned
Details on the stocks?

I think you have to sign up for his newsletter to find out.

Haha, no. It's not one of THOSE stocks.

I'd rather not give out details because I don't want it to get inflated due to pump and dump. Someone tried to pump it, it went to .9x cents to $1.00, then fell back to 50-70c range. I just play off the 10-30% margins in the 50-70c range. Pretty easy as long as you're prepared for shifts in the range.

Glad for you!

Be careful though, if it ever stops working, don't insist.

Penny stocks work for trading...until they don't.

Yeah I know. I have two that I'm swing trading consistently. One of them went from 40c today up to 52c. Awesome day for that one. Swung back down to 45c by the close of the day and so I'll wait for it to dip again then trade on a 10-20% margin once more.

I'm always ready to bring the hammer with a stop-loss in case they die, but one of them has been very consistent in its range for the last 9 months. Seems to be a cash cow. Last week on Mon/Tues combined, made 38% profit. :|
 

No Love

Banned
$550 profit today on one of my stocks... if I hadn't bailed out, I would've made $1400. Hate that feeling but so glad I made a good profit, especially considering it's 1 day.
 

Ether_Snake

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CAE keeps going up. Finally:)

Now I'm looking into buying a bit of both DDD and SSYS, but it's been so difficult to find a dip. Would have been a great time to buy in April.
 

Zoe

Member
Does anybody know if it's possible on E-Trade to take an Employee Stock Plan and convert the exercised shares to a normal account?

(I want to set up a trailing stop, but it's not possible through there)
 

Meier

Member
I still don't quite understand what is happening with Sprint. I guess I should have just manually sold my shares as it's been creeping down a bit in the past month -- I thought we were going to automatically cash out at $7.65 if we didn't elect to keep our shares. ATVI is going gangbusters! Only down 16% on my handful of shares of FB I bought after the IPO, haha.

Apparently I kept 25% of my shares of S but the rest cashed out on their own. Huh.
 

Gallbaro

Banned
So I'm tired of waiting for a sizeable pullback in US stocks that never comes, and I've realized lately that I've been very US-centric in my quest for stocks. So I just started looking at Canadian stocks a bit more in order to diversify and put some new money to work.

I already own just a few Canadian stocks of the large-cap, dividend-paying kind in BMO and BCE.

I've started researching a few more:
THI - Tim Hortons (always liked this one. Simple, hugely profitable company)
MTY (the company that owns basically every shopping center fast food you can name and is buying even more buy the day)
QBR - Quebecor
MRU - (I like that one. Relatively cheap, they're not growing fast but they're literally throwing money at shareholders via huge buybacks and a small but growing dividend. Seems cheaper than it really is due to the sale of their stake in the next stock:)
ATD - Couche-Tard (another fast grower)

So I'm asking you guys who've dabbled in the TSX stocks, what are your favourites? What stocks are you buying or holding?

Never invest in well managed and profitable companies. They can only get worse.
 

Ether_Snake

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You guys see how solar keeps going up?

I've been seeing a lot more of it in the consumer product sector. Might be a good time to invest, but I got burned once:(

TAN is still very low from where it used to be though.
 

Piecake

Member
You guys see how solar keeps going up?

I've been seeing a lot more of it in the consumer product sector. Might be a good time to invest, but I got burned once:(

TAN is still very low from where it used to be though.

Might be because some of those Chinese companies driving down the price are now out of business
 

No Love

Banned
Been making $500-2000/day off penny stocks. They're fun as hell and so addicting. It's all about diversifying and locking in those profits. :|
 

Husker86

Member
I am long TSLA but 550% gain is awful tempting to cash out.

Man I wish I woulda got in on TSLA. Was thinking about it now, but I basically just invest in ETFs so I don't have much experience in stock research and Fidelity has it rated as Bearish so I'm scared haha.
 

sc0la

Unconfirmed Member
Man I wish I woulda got in on TSLA. Was thinking about it now, but I basically just invest in ETFs so I don't have much experience in stock research and Fidelity has it rated as Bearish so I'm scared haha.
Eh, don't play the wish game you can bust just as easy, you tend not to notice the imaginary picks that bust, but you always remember the ones you thought about when they take off. . Most of my money is index funds and bonds (etf and mutual) I have only a small portion of my money in individual stocks for fun/education. I invested in Tesla because I believe in what they are doing and was hoping they would be succesful, not because I thought they had huge appreciation potential.
 

Slayer-33

Liverpool-2
Jesus @ Netflix's rise from a year ago.. So much regret for not getting in on it... lol... Same with Tesla.. I'm so salty now :|
 

CrankyJay

Banned
You guys see how solar keeps going up?

I've been seeing a lot more of it in the consumer product sector. Might be a good time to invest, but I got burned once:(

TAN is still very low from where it used to be though.

Yep, pissed I didn't grab GTAT at 2.80 earlier this year....it's over double that now.
 

No Love

Banned
Made $2200 this morning in one stock play... pretty damn happy with that. Only took 18 minutes too. Penny stocks are wayyy too much fun.
 

Ether_Snake

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Back to where I started with Apple, finally.

SSYS jumped big time last week. I still can't bring myself to buy 3D printing even if I know it's the future. Same with TAN. Always waiting for a down turn leads to this:|
 

CrankyJay

Banned
Back to where I started with Apple, finally.|

Heh, I know that feel. I averaged down on OLED(aka PANL) and I'm now finally even/slightly in the green...hoping it goes up another $7 and I'll put in some stops to lock in profit.

I missed the boat on SSYS...was eyeing it up as low as $66 and just didn't do my homework on the stock.
 

Ovid

Member
Jesus @ Netflix's rise from a year ago.. So much regret for not getting in on it... lol... Same with Tesla.. I'm so salty now :|
It was inevitable. I remember buying some options last year at around $70.

I didn't keep it though. Felt it was a bit to risky at the time.
 

No Love

Banned
Haha, I won't...only stock I'm fucking with below $1/share is MSTX (used to be ANX) with 1000 shares. They supposedly have a sickle cell drug (the first in 15 years) that could have orphan status. Purely speculative on my part.

That looks like it could go back up in a month or two.

It's too bad more people on GAF don't understand stocks/are ballsy enough to do penny stocks... we could do big damage in the penny stock game if we had a GAF-Gang for running pennies. With our level of coordination we could really grab big chunks out of quick runners and GTFO before getting burned like the masses do. :\
 

CrankyJay

Banned
That looks like it could go back up in a month or two.

It's too bad more people on GAF don't understand stocks/are ballsy enough to do penny stocks... we could do big damage in the penny stock game if we had a GAF-Gang for running pennies. With our level of coordination we could really grab big chunks out of quick runners and GTFO before getting burned like the masses do. :\

I kind of dabble in fear investing...I buy stocks when they shit the bed because more often than not it's over-reaction that causes a stock to go down. It takes a strong stomach though...I've held onto stocks that have gone down 40-50%.

I need to stay away from the yahoo boards, the shorts do a good job of making you doubt placing a long term bet on a stock.
 

No Love

Banned
I kind of dabble in fear investing...I buy stocks when they shit the bed because more often than not it's over-reaction that causes a stock to go down. It takes a strong stomach though...I've held onto stocks that have gone down 40-50%.

I need to stay away from the yahoo boards, the shorts do a good job of making you doubt placing a long term bet on a stock.

Shorting is way too scary to me, those guys are nuts.

I enjoy penny stocks because the profit is so rapid and easy to make, and you don't have to invest a ton to make big profit. I lurk around on InvestorsHub and TheLion.com (mostly i-Hub). You should check them out and do digging on Penny Stocks... if you follow the right stocks and jump in when the time is right,the profit is so easy and so sweet.

My goal for Thursday/Friday is $3k profit combined. I think I've got a good chance. I'll update with my results :eek:
 

Husker86

Member
Shorting is way too scary to me, those guys are nuts.

I enjoy penny stocks because the profit is so rapid and easy to make, and you don't have to invest a ton to make big profit. I lurk around on InvestorsHub and TheLion.com (mostly i-Hub). You should check them out and do digging on Penny Stocks... if you follow the right stocks and jump in when the time is right,the profit is so easy and so sweet.

My goal for Thursday/Friday is $3k profit combined. I think I've got a good chance. I'll update with my results :eek:

I wish I had the balls for penny stocks.
 

Septimius

Junior Member
So I'm doing some simulated trading. I've gotten back into the game, so I'm back to reading about technical analysis. I want to do two types of trading. The intra-month type tradng, like I did with AAPL. It's up 10% since I "got in" at 456. It was a technical read. If I had something else to go for, I'd have gotten out at 500, to see it's reaction to that support-level. It has support at 480, though, so I'm on a stop-loss there.

Then I wish to do the long investments, like I will TSLA. Right now, it's in a weird technical space, so I might get out for the time being, being 40% up from coming in at 100. But I see that company steadily growing over the next years.

So, burnt by previous endeavors, I try the simulated run. Getting into NinjaTrader (shout if there's any better programs) with free data streams, and I'll look into programming a modified Heikin Ashi chart, myself, with custom alarms on various indicators.

And I'm doing a Coursera course on Computational Investing, part of which is programming your own market simulator in Python. Reading a handful of books, on all from TA, Heikin Ashi and some introductory books on hedge funds and other trading. I love being 'in the zone' like this. Might also go for a job in programming trading solutions.

Holding a stock that's risen by multiples through earnings is a huge gamble. Yeah, it could rise, but it could crash and burn if they miss or even merely meet expectations.

At least take some profits and gamble with the rest

With a 550% profit, you have a great luxury of just setting a stop-loss, and moving it behind, following the trends. There's no need to keep the stock if it sinks more than 5% from today's level. Do some simple TA of finding resistance levels and support levels, with some trend indicators, and you'll be happy to put a stop-loss just below the support-level, and move it up when it breaks a resistance level. Then the stock can do whatever it pleases, and you can not lose money.

I kind of dabble in fear investing...I buy stocks when they shit the bed because more often than not it's over-reaction that causes a stock to go down. It takes a strong stomach though...I've held onto stocks that have gone down 40-50%.

I need to stay away from the yahoo boards, the shorts do a good job of making you doubt placing a long term bet on a stock.

The first rule of investing is making your gains big and your losses small. You need a rule when you get into a stock of when you're getting out. The mindset of "I'll just stay in a while longer, because it's bound to bounce back" is ludicrous. I've held onto a stock that went down more than 50%, and I will never do it again. I burnt myself so bad, I will never do a bad investment ever again. If you're sure the stock will bounce back, then it's all the more reason to get out. Get out, see when it bounces, and get back in. Then you'll profit on the way back up, instead of just returning to zero.

Having a strict, say, "Always get out if it's down 3% from where I got in" will keep you from hanging on to falling stocks. The pride of thinking "I'm sure I wasn't wrong, it'll go up" can only hurt you. Greed, pride and fear. If you cannot control those emotions, you'll be swallowed by the market.
 

RevoDS

Junior Member
So I'm doing some simulated trading. I've gotten back into the game, so I'm back to reading about technical analysis. I want to do two types of trading. The intra-month type tradng, like I did with AAPL. It's up 10% since I "got in" at 456. It was a technical read. If I had something else to go for, I'd have gotten out at 500, to see it's reaction to that support-level. It has support at 480, though, so I'm on a stop-loss there.

Then I wish to do the long investments, like I will TSLA. Right now, it's in a weird technical space, so I might get out for the time being, being 40% up from coming in at 100. But I see that company steadily growing over the next years.

So, burnt by previous endeavors, I try the simulated run. Getting into NinjaTrader (shout if there's any better programs) with free data streams, and I'll look into programming a modified Heikin Ashi chart, myself, with custom alarms on various indicators.

And I'm doing a Coursera course on Computational Investing, part of which is programming your own market simulator in Python. Reading a handful of books, on all from TA, Heikin Ashi and some introductory books on hedge funds and other trading. I love being 'in the zone' like this. Might also go for a job in programming trading solutions.



With a 550% profit, you have a great luxury of just setting a stop-loss, and moving it behind, following the trends. There's no need to keep the stock if it sinks more than 5% from today's level. Do some simple TA of finding resistance levels and support levels, with some trend indicators, and you'll be happy to put a stop-loss just below the support-level, and move it up when it breaks a resistance level. Then the stock can do whatever it pleases, and you can not lose money.



The first rule of investing is making your gains big and your losses small. You need a rule when you get into a stock of when you're getting out. The mindset of "I'll just stay in a while longer, because it's bound to bounce back" is ludicrous. I've held onto a stock that went down more than 50%, and I will never do it again. I burnt myself so bad, I will never do a bad investment ever again. If you're sure the stock will bounce back, then it's all the more reason to get out. Get out, see when it bounces, and get back in. Then you'll profit on the way back up, instead of just returning to zero.

Having a strict, say, "Always get out if it's down 3% from where I got in" will keep you from hanging on to falling stocks. The pride of thinking "I'm sure I wasn't wrong, it'll go up" can only hurt you. Greed, pride and fear. If you cannot control those emotions, you'll be swallowed by the market.
In any other circumstance I'd agree but not when we're talking earnings. Stops don't protect you against gaps.

Volatile stocks can and do gap down massive amounts (remember SPPI a while ago? Gapped down 40% on a bottom and top line miss. Off the top of my head, BBRY, CMG, GMCR and ISRG all made similar moves in the last year) on poor earnings and it's a gamble to hold into them.

Of course, with a 550% gain the stock would need to fall by over 80% for you to lose money which is unlikely for basically any stock, but you do risk a significant part of your profits.
 

CrankyJay

Banned
In any other circumstance I'd agree but not when we're talking earnings. Stops don't protect you against gaps.

Volatile stocks can and do gap down massive amounts (remember SPPI a while ago? Gapped down 40% on a bottom and top line miss. Off the top of my head, BBRY, CMG, GMCR and ISRG all made similar moves in the last year) on poor earnings and it's a gamble to hold into them.

Of course, with a 550% gain the stock would need to fall by over 80% for you to lose money which is unlikely for basically any stock, but you do risk a significant part of your profits.

Good point...I ate a steaming shit sandwich on SPPI, and there was nothing a stop could have done about it. That 40% drop came out of nowhere...not because of a miss, but because forward guidance was cut out of the blue a few weeks after 2013 full year guidance was given.
 

Septimius

Junior Member
In any other circumstance I'd agree but not when we're talking earnings. Stops don't protect you against gaps.

Volatile stocks can and do gap down massive amounts (remember SPPI a while ago? Gapped down 40% on a bottom and top line miss. Off the top of my head, BBRY, CMG, GMCR and ISRG all made similar moves in the last year) on poor earnings and it's a gamble to hold into them.

Of course, with a 550% gain the stock would need to fall by over 80% for you to lose money which is unlikely for basically any stock, but you do risk a significant part of your profits.

Some traders flat out refuse to hold stocks on result days, which I can see when if you're a TA-trader. So yes, good point. However, in Tesla's situation, I'd be surprised to see it happen. Although, that does sound like something someone said just before being hit by a gap.
 

No Love

Banned
Up $3k since Friday on just one stock. Looking like I'll end the week at $5-6k up. Expecting it to go up 10x in the next couple of weeks, company has awesome revenue and acquisitions coming in.
 

No Love

Banned
This isn't a personal brag thread, it's a thread to discuss investing. Please recalibrate these kinds of posts accordingly.

I don't mind sharing what I'm in and what strategies I'm pursuing, sorry if it seems I've been selfish.

you keep doing this.... What's the company?

otherwise you're just writing a blog here...

Check out PTAH. Today it had a BIG dip from 0037 highs and 0030s in general down to 0020 at close. I cashed out, and will reinvest my profit if it goes back up. It seems to be working its way up to a penny.

What I suspect happened today is that market makers (especially the European ones like VERT) tried to do a major shakeup so that they could grab shares down at 0020's because they expect this share to go to at least 0040 at the end of the week, if not higher. I watched it in progress on Level 2 and as soon as VERT and VDNM jumped in, all hell broke loose.

Edit: Jesus. Someone bought 29 million shares at 0022 after hours. That's $68k worth. Pretty sure this is going back up to 0035-0045 tomorrow.
 
bought some GAME @ $4.43

Shanda Games is a Chinese casual/web game developer. Financials look good, and they've got a game called "Million Arthur" that is apparently taking Asia by storm. They release earnings 8/29 and I'm expecting a decent run-up into that. The real impact of "Million Arthur" will be felt in next quarter's financials, since it was released in this quarter.
 

CrankyJay

Banned
bought some GAME @ $4.43

Shanda Games is a Chinese casual/web game developer. Financials look good, and they've got a game called "Million Arthur" that is apparently taking Asia by storm. They release earnings 8/29 and I'm expecting a decent run-up into that. The real impact of "Million Arthur" will be felt in next quarter's financials, since it was released in this quarter.

Sweet, will stick it on my watch list...
 

Pterion

Member
Is this the proper thread to discuss ETFs, index fund investing, etc?

Edit : seems like it is.

I'm looking into switching from index mutual funds to ETFs within the next 2 years, as I understand that ETFs are really benefitial once you reach 50k to invest or so. Assuming nothing extraordinary happens, I will be the CEO of a small business (my own incorporated practice) soon, and I plan on tax defering like crazy (keeping most of the small corp revenue into the corporation, pay myself like an annual salary of 50k or so, and invest the rest that is taxed at less than 20% into ETFs or some "safer" thing than regular stocks). If everything works out fine, when I retire, I will progressively pull the money from the corporation when I am in a lower income bracket, and give dividends to shareholders (wife, kids).

Anybody else here in a similar situation? Any thoughts? I will definitely get professional help too.
 

Piecake

Member
Is this the proper thread to discuss ETFs, index fund investing, etc?

Edit : seems like it is.

I'm looking into switching from index mutual funds to ETFs within the next 2 years, as I understand that ETFs are really benefitial once you reach 50k to invest or so. Assuming nothing extraordinary happens, I will be the CEO of a small business (my own incorporated practice) soon, and I plan on tax defering like crazy (keeping most of the small corp revenue into the corporation, pay myself like an annual salary of 50k or so, and invest the rest that is taxed at less than 20% into ETFs or some "safer" thing than regular stocks). If everything works out fine, when I retire, I will progressively pull the money from the corporation when I am in a lower income bracket, and give dividends to shareholders (wife, kids).

Anybody else here in a similar situation? Any thoughts? I will definitely get professional help too.

I am not exactly sure how there is any benefit to an etf when you have more than 50k to invest. The only difference between etfs and mutual funds is the way you purchase it. Basically the investment vehicle is different. There is no difference in what is in that vehicle or the expense ratio of that fund. And that is the stuff that would impact return.

Personally, i prefer funds since they are simply easier to deal with since you can dollar cost average more easily since you are dealing with whole numbers, not shares. You also just buy the fund at the end of the day instead of worrying about getting it at the lowest price during the day. ETFs gives you slightly more 'control', but that control does not matter at all for long term investing, and that extra control comes at the expense of a bit of convenience.
 

Ether_Snake

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Wooooo, Autodesk up 10% after upgrades, and I bought some more on Monday:)
 

Pterion

Member
I am not exactly sure how there is any benefit to an etf when you have more than 50k to invest. The only difference between etfs and mutual funds is the way you purchase it. Basically the investment vehicle is different. There is no difference in what is in that vehicle or the expense ratio of that fund. And that is the stuff that would impact return.

Personally, i prefer funds since they are simply easier to deal with since you can dollar cost average more easily since you are dealing with whole numbers, not shares. You also just buy the fund at the end of the day instead of worrying about getting it at the lowest price during the day. ETFs gives you slightly more 'control', but that control does not matter at all for long term investing, and that extra control comes at the expense of a bit of convenience.
Thanks for the reply. As far as I understand, there are several benefits to ETFs, one of them being much lower management expense ratios. I am in Canada, and the lowest mutual fund MERs are around 0.5% compared to 0.1-0.2 % for some ETFs. If I also remember correctly, trading ETFs is kind of like trading stocks, and there are fees with every transaction, hence 50k is around the threshold when it is actually worthwhile to deal with ETFs. I'm quite novice about these things obviously, but I found that websites like canadiancouchpotato are pretty useful when it comes to this.
 
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