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Question for the UK investors amongst you all.

I've got a lump sum of money which I want to invest in a selection of shares as at the moment its just sat in my ISA earning a measly amount of interest. What's the best way to go about doing this myself? I've read some recommendations for X-O.co.uk, be interested if anyone has other recommendations.
 

Piecake

Member
Thanks for the reply. As far as I understand, there are several benefits to ETFs, one of them being much lower management expense ratios. I am in Canada, and the lowest mutual fund MERs are around 0.5% compared to 0.1-0.2 % for some ETFs. If I also remember correctly, trading ETFs is kind of like trading stocks, and there are fees with every transaction, hence 50k is around the threshold when it is actually worthwhile to deal with ETFs. I'm quite novice about these things obviously, but I found that websites like canadiancouchpotato are pretty useful when it comes to this.

Well, the ES can be lower. That is not the case with US vanguard so long as you have admiral shares. So it really depends on the fund in question. ETF can be lower, but they are not necessarily lower.

And a lower expense ratio will basically always be better than a small transaction fee. US Vanguard, again, you can trade vanguard etf and mutual funds for free.

Question for the UK investors amongst you all.

I've got a lump sum of money which I want to invest in a selection of shares as at the moment its just sat in my ISA earning a measly amount of interest. What's the best way to go about doing this myself? I've read some recommendations for X-O.co.uk, be interested if anyone has other recommendations.

Invest in a broad-based index fund like the US stock market or the world stock market. Much safer bet than gambling on one stock with a very good shot of getting decent returns over the long haul
 

bobito

Banned
How do you guys track your shares?

I am more of a long term/dividend man, yahoo finance didn't appear to be too useful for this outlook. Any other options would be great!
 

RevoDS

Junior Member
How do you guys track your shares?

I am more of a long term/dividend man, yahoo finance didn't appear to be too useful for this outlook. Any other options would be great!
I personally use Google Finance, mostly because it has a graph that allows me to track my portfolio's general trend. It sucks for tracking dividends though.

Have a look at CNN Money's new portfolio feature. If you're in the US, it can plug directly into your brokerage account and retrieve your portfolio (and otherwise you can add it manually).
It is useful for dividends, telling you your total quarterly dividend payments going back a year along with an estimate of the next quarter. And, of course, your weighted annual yield.

I also like that it gives you a look at where you stand on a lot of metrics like volatility (as measured by beta), P/E, return on equity, return on assets, EV/EBITDA and price to book; it's useful when comes the time to rebalance your holdings.

That's the closest I know of from what you're looking for.
 

bobito

Banned
I personally use Google Finance, mostly because it has a graph that allows me to track my portfolio's general trend. It sucks for tracking dividends though.

Have a look at CNN Money's new portfolio feature. If you're in the US, it can plug directly into your brokeragTe account and retrieve your portfolio (and otherwise you can add it manually).
It is useful for dividends, telling you your total quarterly dividend payments going back a year along with an estimate of the next quarter. And, of course, your weighted annual yield.

I also like that it gives you a look at where you stand on a lot of metrics like volatility (as measured by beta), P/E, return on equity, return on assets, EV/EBITDA and price to book; it's useful when comes the time to rebalance your holdings.

That's the closest I know of from what you're looking for.

Thanks
 
bought some GAME @ $4.43

Shanda Games is a Chinese casual/web game developer. Financials look good, and they've got a game called "Million Arthur" that is apparently taking Asia by storm. They release earnings 8/29 and I'm expecting a decent run-up into that. The real impact of "Million Arthur" will be felt in next quarter's financials, since it was released in this quarter.


they posted a beat on both revenue and earnings last night, and issued some pretty crazy guidance for next quarter. My target for today is $5.50.
 

CrankyJay

Banned
they posted a beat on both revenue and earnings last night, and issued some pretty crazy guidance for next quarter. My target for today is $5.50.

So why are they down 5.5%?

edit: beat on EPS but missed on revenues...this could potentially bounce back tomorrow after the initial fear wears off.
 

RevoDS

Junior Member
^no, they beat both numbers. Cannot explain what happened after the initial pop this morning.
I feel for you guys...same thing happened to me with LF earnings last month. Beat on both counts, solid guidance, initial 5% bump in AH and PM, then drops 15% in the first 10 minutes of trading.

Sometimes things don't make any sense in the markets.
 

No Love

Banned
I hope you guys will put some change into medical marijuana penny stocks in the morning. They are going to explode with today's announcement from Attorney General Holder. I saw onr of the bigger ones go up 60% in under 30 mins after the news broke, and the madness will continue tomorrow.
 

ISOM

Member
Guys I'm totally new to stocks and investing. Do you have any recommendations for books or websites where I can learn about all the things you guys talk about without being confused lol.
 
Guys I'm totally new to stocks and investing. Do you have any recommendations for books or websites where I can learn about all the things you guys talk about without being confused lol.

investopedia.com is a great resource, they have beginner's guides that are easy to follow.
 
I hope you guys will put some change into medical marijuana penny stocks in the morning. They are going to explode with today's announcement from Attorney General Holder. I saw onr of the bigger ones go up 60% in under 30 mins after the news broke, and the madness will continue tomorrow.

I had 200 bucks in MJNA. Bought it at 20 cents, it went down to 13 now is back up to 20. If it goes anywhere near 30c I'll bow out gracefully.

My vindication was with Canadian telecoms specially telus. Now that Verizon is apparently eyeing Europe they probably don't care to play with us. Bought 2g worth of telus around 31 now is over 33. By the time it hits 10% I'll bow out on that as well.
 

CrankyJay

Banned
I had 200 bucks in MJNA. Bought it at 20 cents, it went down to 13 now is back up to 20. If it goes anywhere near 30c I'll bow out gracefully.

My vindication was with Canadian telecoms specially telus. Now that Verizon is apparently eyeing Europe they probably don't care to play with us. Bought 2g worth of telus around 31 now is over 33. By the time it hits 10% I'll bow out on that as well.

Do you think it's going to go up to 30c?
 

No Love

Banned
Man, medical marijuana stocks didn't really get the pump I expected them to. Some of the best news for the industry ever... way, way bigger news than all the fake PR penny stock shell companies get... and they didn't double, triple, etc? LOL. Good thing I didn't put more than $500 into MWIP, although it is getting dividends on Sunday so maybe i should put more in and then cash out on Tuesday.
 

CrankyJay

Banned
Man, medical marijuana stocks didn't really get the pump I expected them to. Some of the best news for the industry ever... way, way bigger news than all the fake PR penny stock shell companies get... and they didn't double, triple, etc? LOL. Good thing I didn't put more than $500 into MWIP, although it is getting dividends on Sunday so maybe i should put more in and then cash out on Tuesday.

Because it doesn't really change these company's fundamentals...I see this news as business as usual. The only thing it should do is make short sellers rethink their positions if the Federal government won't shut them down completely.
 

RevoDS

Junior Member
Guys I'm totally new to stocks and investing. Do you have any recommendations for books or websites where I can learn about all the things you guys talk about without being confused lol.

Since you've already been recommended the best website (Investopedia), I'll get into books then.

For a complete beginner, I'd definitely recommend reading Peter Lynch's three books. The guy is a former hedge fund manager who's famous for managing the world's best fund for 13 years straight until he retired in 1990. And as it turns out, he's also very good at explaining the basics of investing for the layman. I'd begin with "Learn to earn", which is the simplest of the three, then move on to "One up on Wall Street" and finally "Beating the Street".

Once you've grasped the basic concepts, you can move on to slightly more complex books. But one thing to know about investing is that it isn't an exact science and there are several different schools of thought about what's best.

The most common concepts are the following:
-Fundamental analysis, which contends that in the end, a given stock will always return to its true worth despite the fact that it can differ in the short-to-mid term. Proponents of this theory generally see their investment as a piece of the company and will focus on the company's profit and sales. They believe it's possible to beat the market by buying great, undervalued companies.
-Technical analysis, whose proponents see the markets simply as the balance of supply and demand for a given stock. Technical analysts don't care if the company they buy makes or loses money, as they see it only as a means to an end, the vehicle they use for trading.
-Theories based on the "Random walk" hypothesis, which says that it is simply impossible to consistently beat the market and that one is better off buying the market as a whole (through mutual funds) than trying to beat it.

I'm telling you this because once you get past the very basic levels, it's damn near impossible to find a comprehensive resource given that authors themselves are biased towards a specific style. Which means you'll have to find what style you identify with the most, as well, in order to explore it further (that being said, William O' Neil does a pretty decent job of combining technicals and fundamentals in his book "How to make money in stocks")
 

Piecake

Member
Guys I'm totally new to stocks and investing. Do you have any recommendations for books or websites where I can learn about all the things you guys talk about without being confused lol.

For a different investment style I would recommend watching these youtube videos

http://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Video:Bogleheads®_investment_philosophy

Unless you love the challenge, research, and ups and downs of investing I would just go with this. Personally, I think you are far more likely to make more money over a long period of time, it is far less stressful, and takes very little time, knowledge, whatever to invest in index funds than picking stocks
 

GhaleonEB

Member
Guys I'm totally new to stocks and investing. Do you have any recommendations for books or websites where I can learn about all the things you guys talk about without being confused lol.

For a different investment style I would recommend watching these youtube videos

http://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Video:Bogleheads®_investment_philosophy

Unless you love the challenge, research, and ups and downs of investing I would just go with this. Personally, I think you are far more likely to make more money over a long period of time, it is far less stressful, and takes very little time, knowledge, whatever to invest in index funds than picking stocks
Take this man's advice. My 15-year span of investing so far has led me down the path of passive index fund investing (three fund strategy).

I just read John Bogle's Common Sense on Mutual Funds and it made me wish I had a time machine to go back and tell my younger self to ditch the load funds and stop picking funds at all.

Go index and don't go back.
 

Smiley90

Stop shitting on my team. Start shitting on my finger.
Okay not sure this is the right place to ask, but I can't find an Investment GAF so I figured I might as well. Please correct me if there's a better place to ask.

Disclaimer: I'm in Canada.


I figured I should start putting my money to better use than just a regular savings account, because... interest rates really aren't all that great.

Went to a friend who's been working in private finance for a while and he recommended me a "package" that looks decent and that I'm pursuing. Basically Wealth Build/Protect/Invest

A) Universal Life Insurance, Dividends go towards higher payout, 20 year to pay fully. I'll break even sometime after that. Very long-term investment, since I obviously won't be able to reap any dividend benefits until like 30 years after start - at which point it'll have grown much more than a regular savings account though.

B) Critical Illness Insurance, fully paid by year 20, can withdraw full amount any time aftr that, no dividends (not sure I really want this, as it's literally just for protection and no investment at all, but that's really more my choice. on the fence how much I want protection or not)

C) BtI, starting out with 25k borrowed, gonna leave it up to the company I'm doing financing with to pick investments though - Probably gonna be dividend funds though.
 

Ripclawe

Banned
bought about 50 and counting shares in AMD figuring at least thru December it will get a bump in upcoming system sales. bad idea?
 

Piecake

Member
Okay not sure this is the right place to ask, but I can't find an Investment GAF so I figured I might as well. Please correct me if there's a better place to ask.

Disclaimer: I'm in Canada.


I figured I should start putting my money to better use than just a regular savings account, because... interest rates really aren't all that great.

Went to a friend who's been working in private finance for a while and he recommended me a "package" that looks decent and that I'm pursuing. Basically Wealth Build/Protect/Invest

A) Universal Life Insurance, Dividends go towards higher payout, 20 year to pay fully. I'll break even sometime after that. Very long-term investment, since I obviously won't be able to reap any dividend benefits until like 30 years after start - at which point it'll have grown much more than a regular savings account though.

B) Critical Illness Insurance, fully paid by year 20, can withdraw full amount any time aftr that, no dividends (not sure I really want this, as it's literally just for protection and no investment at all, but that's really more my choice. on the fence how much I want protection or not)

C) BtI, starting out with 25k borrowed, gonna leave it up to the company I'm doing financing with to pick investments though - Probably gonna be dividend funds though.

Your friend is giving you horrendous advice. Dont do any of that.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/investo...aster-looms-for-universal-life-policyholders/

Watch these videos

http://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Video:Bogleheads®_investment_philosophy

Your best bet is to invest in cheap index funds rather than absurd insurance contracts and their fees as well as the fees that that investment company is going to cost you, and they hae just as good a shot as you to beat the market. Cut them out and do it yourself.
 

Smiley90

Stop shitting on my team. Start shitting on my finger.
Your friend is giving you horrendous advice. Dont do any of that..

Mind explaining exactly why? I read the article and it mentions no guaranteed cash value return - my policy would exactly have that, though. It has a guaranteed return and an expected return. And even the guaranteed return is that bad.

Keep in mind that this is Canada, not the US. There's also the whole pre-underwritten/post-underwritten difference.

EDIT: I have something like this in mind:

http://www.insure.com/articles/lifeinsurance/cash-value.html

Scroll down to "buy terms and invest the rest?" and the graph there. What I was presented with is essentially that on the rest, with both growth rates for guaranteed surrender cash value and expected surrender cash value. Essentially, if I wanted to invest the same money myself, I'd have to invest into something with a 4.6% return during my payment years to break even with the policy.
 

Piecake

Member
Mind explaining exactly why? I read the article and it mentions no guaranteed cash value return - my policy would exactly have that, though. It has a guaranteed return and an expected return. And even the guaranteed return is that bad.

Keep in mind that this is Canada, not the US. There's also the whole pre-underwritten/post-underwritten difference.

Its just a terrible way to build wealth, and over the long term the stock market is not risky at all. Its simply not worth it (sure, it gets risky in those last 5 year you need to actualyl get it out, but by then you should have a good portion of it in bonds). You need to figure out the fees that those insurance policies are going to cost you and what fees your investment firm will charge you, along with the likely high cost funds that they will invest you in.

Fees will eat away at your money and earnings like no one's business and its simply not needed. You would be giving away money for no reason.

Amount invested : $50,000
Annual return : 6.00%
Projected expense ratio is : 2.50%
What if the expense ratio is : 0.25%

Your investment returns over 30 years will be $127,195 more if the actual expense ratio is 2.25 percentage point(s) less than the projected.


Projected expense ratio
Actual expense ratio

2.50% 0.25%

Net market value after Difference
1 year $51,750 $52,875 $1,125
5 years $59,384 $66,126 $6,742
10 years $70,530 $87,453 $16,923
15 years $83,767 $115,658 $31,891
20 years $99,489 $152,960 $53,471
30 years $140,340 $267,535 $127,195

I upped the expense ratio guess because Canada sucks like that for some reason

I looked at the graph and it confused me, and didnt want to take the time to figure it out, but I guarantee you that they will be making money off of you if you invest in life insurance, and definitely more money than an low cost index fund would cost you. Cut out the middle man and follow those videos above and you'll make/retain more money
 

Smiley90

Stop shitting on my team. Start shitting on my finger.
Its just a terrible way to build wealth, and over the long term the stock market is not risky at all. Its simply not worth it (sure, it gets risky in those last 5 year you need to actualyl get it out, but by then you should have a good portion of it in bonds). You need to figure out the fees that those insurance policies are going to cost you and what fees your investment firm will charge you, along with the likely high cost funds that they will invest you in.

Fees will eat away at your money and earnings like no one's business and its simply not needed. You would be giving away money for no reason.

Amount invested : $50,000
Annual return : 6.00%
Projected expense ratio is : 2.50%
What if the expense ratio is : 0.25%

Your investment returns over 30 years will be $127,195 more if the actual expense ratio is 2.25 percentage point(s) less than the projected.


Projected expense ratio
Actual expense ratio

2.50% 0.25%

Net market value after Difference
1 year $51,750 $52,875 $1,125
5 years $59,384 $66,126 $6,742
10 years $70,530 $87,453 $16,923
15 years $83,767 $115,658 $31,891
20 years $99,489 $152,960 $53,471
30 years $140,340 $267,535 $127,195

I upped the expense ratio guess because Canada sucks like that for some reason

I looked at the graph and it confused me, and didnt want to take the time to figure it out, but I guarantee you that they will be making money off of you if you invest in life insurance, and definitely more money than an low cost index fund would cost you. Cut out the middle man and follow those videos above and you'll make/retain more money

And your graphs confuse me, I don't know exactly what those numbers refer to LOL.

As for the graph on the page: It's year / payments / cash value I get if I cancel the policy / growth of cash value return per year vs. premium I used to pay.


after year 16 I'd be done paying my entire insurance and there'd be 0 payments after that. Dividends will keep accumulating, cash value increases by 6%-ish per term. E.g. from year 19 to year 20 I'm looking at an increase of 1452$ on a total investment I've made of 18848$ (which will have grown to 26911 by then, hence the 6.3% number). The increase per year increases as the policy increases. I break even after about 15 years with my total investment, and if you look at the entire 20 years it's 28363$ cash value upon cancellation vs 18848$ total investment. So about 4.6% if I invested the same way (1.2k every year for 16 years) or about 2.06% per year over 20 years if I invested the entire 18k at the beginning. Not to mention after 20 years, it increases much more than 2.06% every year. So the average increases the longer I wait until I cash out.

It just doesn't seem so shady to me.

I don't have the numbers from my own potential insurance policy at hand right now, but I'll have them tomorrow - but they look very similar.
 

Piecake

Member
And your graphs confuse me, I don't know exactly what those numbers refer to LOL.

As for the graph on the page: It's year / payments / cash value I get if I cancel the policy / growth of cash value return per year vs. premium I used to pay.


after year 16 I'd be done paying my entire insurance and there'd be 0 payments after that. Dividends will keep accumulating, cash value increases by 6%-ish per term. E.g. from year 19 to year 20 I'm looking at an increase of 1452$ on a total investment I've made of 18848$ (which will have grown to 26911 by then, hence the 6.3% number). The increase per year increases as the policy increases. I break even after about 15 years with my total investment, and if you look at the entire 20 years it's 28363$ cash value upon cancellation vs 18848$ total investment. So about 4.6% if I invested the same way (1.2k every year for 16 years) or about 2.06% per year over 20 years if I invested the entire 18k at the beginning. Not to mention after 20 years, it increases much more than 2.06% every year. So the average increases the longer I wait until I cash out.

It just doesn't seem so shady to me.

I don't have the numbers from my own potential insurance policy at hand right now, but I'll have them tomorrow - but they look very similar.

Well, it says that you'll have 28k at the end of 20 years, right? If you invested that 1200 bucks in stocks and bonds that netted you about 5% (pretty conservative) and stopped doing it after 16, just like the insurance policy, you would have 40k. 7% and you'd have 50k.

Unless you absolutely need life insurance, I really don't see the point.

Of course, I have a strong bias against insurance, annuities, investment companies, and actively managed mutual funds, so there is that. I just think you'd be better off not planning for the worst case scenario, and play by the numbers, like insurance companies do. Playing by the numbers suggest that you shouldnt throw away 20k 20 years from now because there is a good chance that you are still going to be kicking
 

Smiley90

Stop shitting on my team. Start shitting on my finger.
Well, it says that you'll have 28k at the end of 20 years, right? If you invested that 1200 bucks in stocks and bonds that netted you about 5% (pretty conservative) and stopped doing it after 16, just like the insurance policy, you would have 40k. 7% and you'd have 50k.

Unless you absolutely need life insurance, I really don't see the point.

Playing by the numbers suggest that you shouldnt throw away 20k 20 years from now because there is a good chance that you are still going to be kicking

That is basically what it comes down to, yes. Now we're on the same page. That's why I came into this thread :p I'm not sure it's really the best thing - I might just do a mutual fund with the money. I don't really wanna do stocks, feels too much like gambling and I don't know enough about them.

Then, the benefit of a life insurance is always nice. Even if I don't THINK I'll die anytime soon.
 
bought about 50 and counting shares in AMD figuring at least thru December it will get a bump in upcoming system sales. bad idea?

I bought in about 800 at 3.70 so I'm in a similar boat as you. Just ride out the storm for now, no way it won't be heading back up. I just wish I had some freecash to buy a bit more. I dont want to sell telus just yet as their dividend is in a few days but yeah im definitely wawalking out of that with 200 more in the tank. Not bad for a months work
 

GhaleonEB

Member
That is basically what it comes down to, yes. Now we're on the same page. That's why I came into this thread :p I'm not sure it's really the best thing - I might just do a mutual fund with the money. I don't really wanna do stocks, feels too much like gambling and I don't know enough about them.

Then, the benefit of a life insurance is always nice. Even if I don't THINK I'll die anytime soon.

I agree mutual funds is a much wiser direction that insurance or stocks. I strongly suggest investing in a total market index fund and calling it good.

There are many reasons to do so, but to keep with Piecakes's point, index funds have far and away the lowest costs of any type of mutual fund. I just finished reading John Bogle's Common Sense on Mutual Funds (of whom the Bogleheads are named after and follow). Among the insights included was the observation that fund fees are one of the greatest predictors of fund performance.

The data follows the logic: the more you are paying the company to manage your funds, the less of the return comes back to you. And even small differences in fees adds up to a very large share of your potential earnings over time. When normalizing for fund fees, most mutual fund performances collapse toward the market average. So the smartest way to invest is to simply buy the market - which comes with the lowest costs to boot. The evidence is overwhelming that index funds outperform nearly all active funds for those reasons, over long time horizons.
 

Presco

Member
That is basically what it comes down to, yes. Now we're on the same page. That's why I came into this thread :p I'm not sure it's really the best thing - I might just do a mutual fund with the money. I don't really wanna do stocks, feels too much like gambling and I don't know enough about them.

Then, the benefit of a life insurance is always nice. Even if I don't THINK I'll die anytime soon.

Buy life insurance if you want but not as an investment. As an example, if you're going whole life and your policy costs $40 a month or something, top it up to $50 and forget about it. It is insurance. Hope that somebody doesn't collect for a long time and assume you'll never cash out.

Piecake and Ghaleon are pointing you in the perfect direction for investment. Listen to them.

I took out a small whole life policy at 27, just after I got married. Earlier this year, before my 31st birthday, I was diagnosed with cancer. Turns out it has spread. Also, my wife is pregnant.

You wouldn't believe how happy I am that I have life insurance since I'm no longer insurable. Treatment is going well and I'm very positive but I'm also realistic. I might live another 60 years but I probably won't. In the meantime, I'm investing in index funds in case I live long enough to enjoy retirement.
 

CrankyJay

Banned
Buy life insurance if you want but not as an investment. As an example, if you're going whole life and your policy costs $40 a month or something, top it up to $50 and forget about it. It is insurance. Hope that somebody doesn't collect for a long time and assume you'll never cash out.

Piecake and Ghaleon are pointing you in the perfect direction for investment. Listen to them.

I took out a small whole life policy at 27, just after I got married. Earlier this year, before my 31st birthday, I was diagnosed with cancer. Turns out it has spread. Also, my wife is pregnant.

You wouldn't believe how happy I am that I have life insurance since I'm no longer insurable. Treatment is going well and I'm very positive but I'm also realistic. I might live another 60 years but I probably won't. In the meantime, I'm investing in index funds in case I live long enough to enjoy retirement.

Wow, best of luck to you and your family. I really need to get off my butt and get life insurance myself with a wife and baby.
 

yogloo

Member
Buy life insurance if you want but not as an investment. As an example, if you're going whole life and your policy costs $40 a month or something, top it up to $50 and forget about it. It is insurance. Hope that somebody doesn't collect for a long time and assume you'll never cash out.

Piecake and Ghaleon are pointing you in the perfect direction for investment. Listen to them.

I took out a small whole life policy at 27, just after I got married. Earlier this year, before my 31st birthday, I was diagnosed with cancer. Turns out it has spread. Also, my wife is pregnant.

You wouldn't believe how happy I am that I have life insurance since I'm no longer insurable. Treatment is going well and I'm very positive but I'm also realistic. I might live another 60 years but I probably won't. In the meantime, I'm investing in index funds in case I live long enough to enjoy retirement.

That's hard to swallow.
I really hoping for the best for you!
 

No Love

Banned
CBYI just gave me my best week yet. I just cashed out with $7k profit, I was in it since Tuesday.

I think it might keep going up next week, they are doing announcements and changing the symbol. Wait til Monday and see, but I'll probably buy back in if I see it going up. If anyone wants to buy into it, make sure you have Level 2 on OTC stocks so you can watch its progress! Monday will be very interesting.
 

No Love

Banned
I'm curious, what broker do you use for OTC trading? E*trade or something else?

Fidelity. They are pretty damn good at trade execution, easy to use, good customer service. ETrade is good for OTC too. Do not use TDAmeritrade, they are shit.
 

Piecake

Member
Thanks --- I'm tempted to throw down a few hundred as "play money" in some OTC stocks just for fun. I do all my buying/selling through Vanguard right now, but I wanted to look into other options as well for OTC trading.

Unrelated, but has anyone here ever started a college savings fund for their kids/future kids? My fiancee and I are planning on having kids in ~5 years, but we'd like to start saving now. We expect that 23 years of savings should be plenty to pay off all or at least a large chunk of our kid's college bills.

So, I'm looking at brightstartsavings.com; anyone have any experience with that or would you have another avenue I should investigate? BSS seems pretty flexible, but most importantly, I'll also get some state tax benefits. It's a 529-style portfolio and is backed by a few major organizations, including Vanguard.

Well, ive read that you can choose any state's 529 that you want, and some have some pretty sweet deals. I would check out the best states, compare it to your state, and see what makes sense
 

GhaleonEB

Member
I'm looking into 529's right now as well. We've been saving for the kids since each was one year old, but have the funds in a general investment account, largely because I want them to be flexible with how they can use it, as I was with my money after high school. But now we're looking to shift a good portion into a 529, and just leave a few thousand outside of it, for each kid. Their "fun money" and their college funds.

We're currently researching the four plans offered by Fidelity, which is where we're at, vs. a state plan where we'd have to shuffle money over to a new investment firm.
 
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