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Stock-Age: Stocks, Options and Dividends oh my!

Well, I generally invest in mutual funds, but I did recently put a small amount of money into Amyris (AMRS). Otherwise, I have nothing to suggest looking into. AMRS is a super risky play of course.

Why's that? Do you see growth in them? Or is it something that you plan on cash out quickly just exploiting the ups and downs of its stock price?
 
Long-term bet that they'll continue to scale-up their fermentation processes and either become profitable or someone will buy them out for their technology.

Thanks :)

Did a bit of research on the company, i'm not in the knowledge about all this stuff, but it seemed promising. I'll give them a little sum of money and see how it goes :)
 

hurzelein

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One question: How much are you guys paying for stock buys / sells? I'm in Germany, and the thing is that even the cheapest online brokers want around 6€ per buy or sell. Sure that is not much when you are a long term investor, but given that I'm still a beginner and wan't to have a learning period, with buying and selling for some small profits after a few days or weeks, this really sums up.

I heard you pay much less with US brokers, how much are you guys paying and which broker?

Changing to a non-german broker is not an option right now because I'd have to file every trade in my tax return manually and I can't do that at the moment. But I will certainly try to change my account in the future.
 

Ether_Snake

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I pay 10$ Canadian. I add to my positions relatively often, sell a few times.

Edit: man, 3D printing is really in the shit.
 
Man, the market went apeshit this week, I've almost caught up to the S&P 500 in just 5 days.

They're saying the new price target for AAPL is $150 a share. I hope you guys grabbed some AAPL while it was hot before Apple Watch preorders opened!
 

Husker86

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Man, the market went apeshit this week, I've almost caught up to the S&P 500 in just 5 days.

They're saying the new price target for AAPL is $150 a share. I hope you guys grabbed some AAPL while it was hot before Apple Watch preorders opened!
Bought at $98, almost sold when it hit $133 (I should have...oh well). Would have bought back in at $125 or so. Anyway, yeah, I'm holding on. Though it still boggles my mind, the market cap of Apple.
 
Bought at $98, almost sold when it hit $133 (I should have...oh well). Would have bought back in at $125 or so. Anyway, yeah, I'm holding on. Though it still boggles my mind, the market cap of Apple.

What's hilarious is in terms of fundamentals, Apple is still a bargain if you're looking at their P/E ratio because of their ungodly revenue and earnings numbers!
 

Ether_Snake

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TSLA continues to rise. Too bad I was on vacation went it reached the 180s, wasn't paying attention.
 

Smiley90

Stop shitting on my team. Start shitting on my finger.
Tesla is one of those big "what ifs" that I kept looking at and thought "nah it wont keep going up" and then it did
 

Ether_Snake

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I was right about OVAS! Classic bubble, followed the chart prediction as expected.

Of course I didn't have the balls to short it.
 

hurzelein

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Guess who bought Twitter before earnings today. amcry :(

Decided that my market learning phase (buying and selling after 2-3 days for small profit) is over now.

Strictly value + mid to long term from now on.

Time + risk isn't worth it for me, I lack the experience nor am I cut out for "short time / day trading".

Think I should see Twitter as a valuable lesson and move on, but boy that hurts.
 

vpance

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Holy shit at that TWTR plunge. I thought a pull back was due but not like that. Gonna see how it opens tomorrow and possibly grab some.
 

hurzelein

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Problem was that it was leaked an hour before the official results. Results weren't so bad. Not perfect but not 20% plunge bad. I think a huge percentage of that was due to the "publication" of the results.

God I didn't even know something like this could happen. I seriously hope some people are getting fired at Twitter.
 
nah it wasn't Nasdaq. it was some no name financial services firm which simply just posted an early posting on twitters own investor relations page. twitters to blame.

anyhow, i got out just before the halt. was up like 30% on this since last earnings.

was literally, LITERALLY, one minute away from selling at like $51.1x to set up for an options play thru earnings, but held too long. by the time i decided to sell it was already literally diving down to $48's which is when I got out. lost an extra $3k on it in like 15 minutes.
 

vpance

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That service is owned by Nasdaq, according to FT. Google 'twitter leaked ft' first article that shows

The release had been posted on Twitter’s investor relations site by Nasdaq’s Shareholder.com service.

The error could prove damaging for Nasdaq and marks the second high-profile earnings leak for Shareholder.com in a little over six months. In October, JPMorgan’s quarterly results were released hours ahead of schedule. Twitter shares traded barely 1 per cent lower before the leak and then plunged by 26 per cent before trading was halted. The shares resumed trading and closed down 18 per cent at $42.27.

“We inadvertently released an early version of their earnings,” Nasdaq said. “We are investigating the root cause. It didn’t impact any other Shareholder.com clients.”

Sucks about the $3k. I think a lot of people got their shares stolen from them today. Could bounce huge tomorrow but we'll see. I was tempted to buy some after hours but was too late anyways.
 
oh ok yeh I just following the breaking stories earlier, they must have revised the news.

yeh I think I will buy in for a bounce but I also believe this may be in the 30s sometime this quarter.

but like you said, this kinda shit is theft of peoples money. i was setting up for minimal loss after sitting on this for so long, and with an hour left after sitting on it for an entire quarter, someone fucks it up for me.
 

vpance

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oh ok yeh I just following the breaking stories earlier, they must have revised the news.

yeh I think I will buy in for a bounce but I also believe this may be in the 30s sometime this quarter.

but like you said, this kinda shit is theft of peoples money. i was setting up for minimal loss after sitting on this for so long, and with an hour left after sitting on it for an entire quarter, someone fucks it up for me.

Oh I thought you made some profit. What was your cost?

I'm wary of holding anything around earnings anymore unless I'm deep in profits. Sometimes companies release guidance early or crap like this happens. Better reverse hard tomorrow or it wont look pretty, technically I mean.
 

hurzelein

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Yeah, I hadn't thought about it but in some way I feel robbed.

I love Twitter (not posting anything really but it's my main entry to my most visited websites). But making your earnings results available on some customer relations site before the official date? Also I'm reading the managment teams stock compensation was upgraded again? Both of them just feel unaccaptable now.
 
Oh I thought you made some profit. What was your cost?

I'm wary of holding anything around earnings anymore unless I'm deep in profits. Sometimes companies release guidance early or crap like this happens. Better reverse hard tomorrow or it wont look pretty, technically I mean.

I did make a good profit, but I also lost ~6 or 7% of my prior 30% gain today as it dropped to the 48s before the halt. Had the leak not occurred I would have followed thru with my plan to sell before close, and simply bought some call options for what I anticipated was an earnings beat.

Also, didn't Nasdaq get sued when they screwed up the Facebook IPO?
 

Ether_Snake

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I always said and will continue to say that Twitter is not a good buy, it doesn't make sense, for reasons I've detailed before. If I had to put my money in a social network company, it would be FB.
 

Mr.Mike

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This week has probably generally been the worst week in a long time. Everything is going down...

The CAD is going up, which would be a factor in the market going down from your perspective. (I'm like 99% sure you're Canadian).

But also the markets are going down too.
 

Smiley90

Stop shitting on my team. Start shitting on my finger.
The CAD is going up, which would be a factor in the market going down from your perspective. (I'm like 99% sure you're Canadian).

But also the markets are going down too.

Possibly, my US investments are going down too though :p double whammy I guess haha
 

vpance

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Bought some more USD.

I think the final flush for 3D printing could be here, will try a long again soon once it shows some life.
 

Ether_Snake

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There's too many players. You'll see this for a while until they consolidate or one really gains traction. I wouldn't touch any of them for the time being.

There isn't really that many players. The big issue IMO is that the technology develops very quickly, and demand can come and go quickly since its widespread use is new. Both together means you can end up with too much investments meeting a sudden downturn in demand.

On the long term, I think the sector is going to be fine, but who knows how low DDD and SSYS could go. I don't believe the HP hype at all though. I'm guessing worst comes to worst, DDD and/or SSYS get bought.

edit: Tesla Energy! http://www.teslamotors.com/presskit/teslaenergy

I wish I owned some:)
 

Ether_Snake

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SCTY earnings tomorrow. Since I own it, it will probably be disastrous. I expect a 15% drop.
 
SCTY earnings tomorrow. Since I own it, it will probably be disastrous. I expect a 15% drop.

I have scty too. I'm conflicted. I want to buy more shares, so if it underperforms it makes me more willing to invest more, but at the same time i'm gonna lose potential profit, even if i don't have a big investment in them.
 

Ether_Snake

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I'm confident on the longer term.

DDD is tomorrow, that one will surely tank.
 
So it's well known that Germans are very (very very!) conservative about where the put their money.
A new study finds that only 13% of the population own stocks or funds.
Only 7% of personal money in Germany is in the stock market.
The financial crisis hasn't helped boost confidence as the % of people who hold stocks used to be higher.

Also this graph is interesting
NW: You have 10k to invest for 25 years how much would you put in the stockmarket? (left to right: everything, more than half, less than half, nothing; top to bottom: Everyone, people who already own stocks, people who don't own stocks)

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