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[Nobody_Important]

This point gets brought up often, but the situations aren't equivalent. Like it or not, there are a large number of people who feel that homosexual behavior is sinful. To them, promoting it in media is akin to promoting other behaviors that are wrong.

And those people are wrong. They don't need to be coddled or pandered to. Movies and shows don't need to tiptoe around them either. They can either get with reality or get left behind.

There is nothing wrong with gay relationships being depicted in movies or shows aimed at kids. Just like there is nothing wrong with depicting a straight couple in them.

 

[jason10mm]

As for not wanting to have a conversation with a child about what are gay people… that has been touched on so many times and is a very lazy reasoning for not having a specific type of character in a children’s film.
When people are more comfortable with higher levels of violence than a normal gay relationship in a kids movie, it really highlights what the real problem is.

Edit: You mentioned people not wanting extreme violence, sex, or drugs in kids films and I agree. We don’t want that because it’s bad and showing kids bad things is not what anyone wants. If you think showing a gay person is on the same level as those things then that is the problem.

See, I disagree with this entirely. I, as the parent in charge of my kids, DO have complete say in what they watch and if I'm not ready to have a "why does that kid have two mommies" talk and all that goes with it then that is COMPLETELY FINE. There are many aspects of life in general that I don't want broached in a kids film, particularly just thrown out without context. I'd rather they not discuss depression being treated with drugs, emotional abuse in the household, sex in almost any aspect beyond the PDA my kids already see from their parents, drug use in any but a negative light (thinking Pinocchio for an example), suicide, or the specifics of familial death (I thought UP did it perfectly).

Off screen implication and carefully constructed analogy is how old school shows, including Disney, used to handle this stuff. You can convey "the message" in such a coded way that the impact hits without the need for discussion if the parent's don't want to deal with it.

And saying "talking about 'the gays' like they are sex and drugs is the problem" is a judgement call on your part and a poor attempt to demonize the messenger, not the message. I lump it in with divorce, death, complete financial collapse, nervous break-downs, abortion, false imprisonment, and a host of other life experiences I'd rather deal with my kids on my own, I don't need nor want Disney to "slip it in" to a kids film in an overt way and then trivialize it as background. I'd rather wait for an appropriate real life event to have the discussion when I feel they are ready for it or choose something that will specifically focus on it so I can be sure that my values are imparted to my kids.

Disney can make what they want. I can choose to not spend my money as I see fit.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Some reviews that I saw they are not really focusing on the diversity/representation/inclusivity. They say is just a badly made film.

 

[th4tguy]

See, I disagree with this entirely. I, as the parent in charge of my kids, DO have complete say in what they watch and if I'm not ready to have a "why does that kid have two mommies" talk and all that goes with it then that is COMPLETELY FINE. There are many aspects of life in general that I don't want broached in a kids film, particularly just thrown out without context. I'd rather they not discuss depression being treated with drugs, emotional abuse in the household, sex in almost any aspect beyond the PDA my kids already see from their parents, drug use in any but a negative light (thinking Pinocchio for an example), suicide, or the specifics of familial death (I thought UP did it perfectly).

Off screen implication and carefully constructed analogy is how old school shows, including Disney, used to handle this stuff. You can convey "the message" in such a coded way that the impact hits without the need for discussion if the parent's don't want to deal with it.

And saying "talking about 'the gays' like they are sex and drugs is the problem" is a judgement call on your part and a poor attempt to demonize the messenger, not the message. I lump it in with divorce, death, complete financial collapse, nervous break-downs, abortion, false imprisonment, and a host of other life experiences I'd rather deal with my kids on my own, I don't need nor want Disney to "slip it in" to a kids film in an overt way and then trivialize it as background. I'd rather wait for an appropriate real life event to have the discussion when I feel they are ready for it or choose something that will specifically focus on it so I can be sure that my values are imparted to my kids.

Disney can make what they want. I can choose to not spend my money as I see fit.

I agree with your right to choose what content your kids consume and when. I don’t mean to suggest otherwise. I often look into content ahead of time to see what’s in it before letting my kids view/ interact.
I just don’t consider a gay relationship to be on the level of morality of any of the other obvious bad scenarios you listed.
Even divorce.
That is obviously where we are going to view this differently, I guess.

 

[Urban]

People are not dumb. Why go to the Theaters if you can wait for 3 months and watch it at home?

 

[Kilau]

Did they really not advertise this movie? I wouldn’t know because I don’t watch any live TV.

 

[Moneal]

Did they really not advertise this movie? I wouldn’t know because I don’t watch any live TV.

I saw multiple ads a day for it on YouTube this past month.

 

[crazyjah2003]

I have not been interested in 3D animation for a long time... Since the Toy Story with the purple bear. Having a hard time watching animation of any kind at all these days... It's like losing part of my soul

 

[Secret of Evolution]

And saying "talking about 'the gays' like they are sex and drugs is the problem" is a judgement call on your part and a poor attempt to demonize the messenger, not the message.

When your message descends directly from interpretive sky dad shit, there really is no leg to stand on rationally. Comparing a healthy and, yes, normal gay relationship to drug abuse or depression is about as deep as you can get towards bubbling yourself. And, cool, you do you, but be prepared for the large majority of the population to think it’s stupid as fuck.

 

[jason10mm]

When your message descends directly from interpretive sky dad shit, there really is no leg to stand on rationally. Comparing a healthy and, yes, normal gay relationship to drug abuse or depression is about as deep as you can get towards bubbling yourself. And, cool, you do you, but be prepared for the large majority of the population to think it’s stupid as fuck.

Ehh, perhaps. Imma gonna bet that overt gay relationships in stuff targeting elementary school kids is off the table for WAAAAY more folks than you think. But if Disney wants to keep on finding out, let 'em.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Ehh, perhaps. Imma gonna bet that overt gay relationships in stuff targeting elementary school kids is off the table for WAAAAY more folks than you think. But if Disney wants to keep on finding out, let 'em.

Sex education, gay lifestyles, teaching about anal sex (no joke, anyone here can google it regarding the Ontario sex education curriculum where part of the program now is teaching kids about butt play) will almost never be something parents want their kids exposed to until they are old enough to understand it. And even then, some parents still would rather have schools teach ABCs and 123s than spending the limited time in schools (which school hours are shorter than when I was in grade school) on too much sex talk and gender identities.

Typically the only parents you see wanting more sex education at younger ages are ultra liberal parents or LBQT community. The average moderate lefty or righty parent isnt writing letters to the board of education or protesting for "More Sex Ed Please".

It's no wonder the school material is so easy now, and kids seem like morons. They lack technical skills which are essential for later in academics. When my bro and I were curious to see what kind of math and science stuff his kids were doing it was a cakewalk. Like the material kids are taught now are 1-2 grades behind compared to us 30+ years ago like they are retards. It makes no sense because as time passes, people should be getting smarter as tech helps solve lots of issues and time (modern day typing and emailing vs. old school shitty handwritten and typewriting essays and projects). Have fun writing by hand a 10 page essay hoping not to screw up spelling mistakes or else get out the liquid paper. Back then we didn't get a printer until I was in middle of high school. So a lot of us spent time on labourious work while kids now should be exposed to more content as the essay and project part is more automated. When I did school way back, sex edu was started in grade 6 and from there on it was taught as part of gym class. So instead of a two week session on basketball or gymnastics, it was sex ed content. I dont think myself or any buddies in school I grew up in are deprived of sex ed information in life. We figured it out while being exposed to littel formal education content.

 

[Nobody_Important]

Sex education, gay lifestyles, teaching about anal sex (no joke, anyone here can google it regarding the Ontario sex education curriculum where part of the program now is teaching kids about butt play) will almost never be something parents want their kids exposed to until they are old enough to understand it. And even then, some parents still would rather have schools teach ABCs and 123s than spending the limited time in schools (which school hours are shorter than when I was in grade school) on too much sex talk and gender identities.

Why are you listing gay relationships alongside stuff like sexual education? It's two consenting adults in a relationship because they make each other happy. It's no different than a straight relationship and I don't see anyone complaining about those in kids shows.


People are so weird about something that is completely normal at this point.

 

[Doom85]

Ehh, perhaps. Imma gonna bet that overt gay relationships in stuff targeting elementary school kids is off the table for WAAAAY more folks than you think. But if Disney wants to keep on finding out, let 'em.

Pretty sure sexual harassment and lust are taboo topics for plenty of elementary schools too, yet Hunchback of Notre Dame came out (with a G rating! Pretty sure Strange World is PG which does mean Parental Guidance Suggested) and no one made much of a fuss over it.

Says a lot about a good deal of humanity if they’re chill having their kids watch a judge sexually harass a woman and sing an entire song about how much he lustfully wants her body and if she doesn’t give in he’ll burn her alive (and that’s not getting into the attempted baby murder, the clear implication countless families are being burned alive in their homes, the judge falling into actual Hell, etc.), but the second two men act mildly flirty with each other and later put a hand on the other’s shoulder, now that’s TOO FAR.

Also, do elementary schools commonly discuss baby deaths? Finding Nemo and Up sure didn’t cause much of a fuss either…

 

[Nobody_Important]

Pretty sure sexual harassment and lust are taboo topics for plenty of elementary schools too, yet Hunchback of Notre Dame came out (with a G rating! Pretty sure Strange World is PG which does mean Parental Guidance Suggested) and no one made much of a fuss over it.

Says a lot about a good deal of humanity if they’re chill having their kids watch a judge sexually harass a woman and sing an entire song about how much he lustfully wants her body and if she doesn’t give in he’ll burn her alive (and that’s not getting into the attempted baby murder, the clear implication countless families are being burned alive in their homes, the judge falling into actual Hell, etc.), but the second two men act mildly flirty with each other and later put a hand on the other’s shoulder, now that’s TOO FAR.

Also, do elementary schools commonly discuss baby deaths? Finding Nemo and Up sure didn’t cause much of a fuss either…

This is a good post that pokes holes in the "kids aren't ready for that" argument.

We have had kids movies from Disney and other studios for DECADES that have involved murder, death of a parent, sex, classism, racism, etc etc all of which are MUCH more mature topics than simply depicting a same sex couple simply interacting with each other or other people on the screen for a bit.

Unless someone wants to try and tell me explaining relationships (obviously not the sex part) to a kid is more difficult than explaining any of the stuff I listed?

 

[JayK47]

Why are you listing gay relationships alongside stuff like sexual education? It's two consenting adults in a relationship because they make each other happy. It's no different than a straight relationship and I don't see anyone complaining about those in kids shows.


People are so weird about something that is completely normal at this point.

Get back to us when you have kids and they are going to school. I would be surprised if you don't care what they are being taught or what they are watching. Kids really do change your outlook.

 

[Nobody_Important]

Get back to us when you have kids and they are going to school. I would be surprised if you don't care what they are being taught or what they are watching. Kids really do change your outlook.

That doesn't answer anything I asked.

Do you have a problem with straight couples being shown on screen in kids films or shows? Because that's the same thing.

 

[Doom85]

Get back to us when you have kids and they are going to school. I would be surprised if you don't care what they are being taught or what they are watching. Kids really do change your outlook.

Pretty sure not every parent in the world are helicopter parents…

 

[jason10mm]

A. They didn't show anyone actually getting eaten in Nemo. It's just implied.

B. The guy in hunchback was THE BAD GUY.

C. kids see a man and a woman holding hands or kissing because that's what 99% of their parents are doing. That hetero relationship is what produces 99.9% of...children.

This stuff really isn't that hard guys.

 

[Nobody_Important]

Pretty sure not every parent in the world are helicopter parents…

That's not even a helicopter parent thing. Like I said its just weird how some people still try to act like there is anything wrong or different about a same sex relationship. It's two consenting adults that get together because they are happy just like a straight couple would. They do the same stuff same sex couples do. They put up Christmas trees, celebrate birthdays, watch movies, mow the yard and binge Netflix.


There is no need to hide their existence from kids as if the kids are going to see two women holding hands and have their eyes pop out of their head.

 

[jason10mm]

Pretty sure not every parent in the world are helicopter parents…

Being interested in what your kids are learning in school is NOT helicopter parenting. JFC.

 

[Nobody_Important]

A. They didn't show anyone actually getting eaten in Nemo. It's just implied.

B. The guy in hunchback was THE BAD GUY.

C. kids see a man and a woman holding hands or kissing because that's what 99% of their parents are doing. That hetero relationship is what produces 99.9% of...children.

This stuff really isn't that hard guys.

You're right. It's not hard. And yet some people still try to make it hard for no reason.

 

[Paltheos]

Walt Disney Animation's made very few good movies since they moved to only doing CGI. They're mostly just a discount Pixar now. Glad to see it didn't pay off this time, I guess.
What did people think of Encanto and Raya and the Last Dragon? I thought those were two of Disney's worst, and I would like if those could be partially responsible for this new film bombing. But I also totally missed that Strange World was releasing, so maybe it was just poorly marketed.

Honestly, at this point even Netflix Animation has higher quality output than Disney.

I thought Encanto was alright. Had a friend who absolutely loved it. Can't say I was as impressed but I liked it more than some of the Disney animated films I've seen... relatively recently (looking over their catalogue from the past decade, I'd say for me Zootopia>Encanto>Frozen>Big Hero 6).

 

[Doom85]

That's not even a helicopter parent thing.

I feel it is. Trying to control what your child sees and learns about to such an insane extent that they don’t know LGBT people exist feels pretty overbearing parenting-wise. Not to mention potentially rude and discriminatory, does the parent(s) tell their extended family that all straight couples in the family can be honest about being a couple but all same-sex couples have to pretend to be just friends? If they take their kid shopping or something and see a same sex couple holding hands, do they run over and tell them to knock it off?

Being interested in what your kids are learning in school is NOT helicopter parenting. JFC.

Helicopter parent - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The ACTUAL FIRST SENTENCE of the article says otherwise. JFC yourself.

A. They didn't show anyone actually getting eaten in Nemo. It's just implied.

B. The guy in hunchback was THE BAD GUY.

C. kids see a man and a woman holding hands or kissing because that's what 99% of their parents are doing. That hetero relationship is what produces 99.9% of...children.

This stuff really isn't that hard guys.

1. Ooookay, and are you just betting on the possibility every single child will be too stupid to realize that obviously Nemo’s siblings and mother are dead?

2. It doesn’t change the fact that the film is discussing and showing lust and sexual harassment! Pretty sure you can’t show a clip of Michael Myers violently stabbing someone to a kid and get away with it by going, “well, Michael’s the bad guy.”

3.

Pretty sure interracial couples are less common than couples of the same race, should we ban their existence from all fiction a child might consume as well?

And do you think same sex couples rarely adopt or use other means to have a child? My own cousin and her wife have a son. Why is where the child came from biologically relevant to this conversation? It shouldn’t be, because all sides should agree that talking about ACTUAL SEX (and no, simply showing two people of the same gender as a couple does not constitute telling a child anything sexual. Anyone who says otherwise is fucking nuts) to a kid is not good so this has no bearing on this discussion. Stop veering off on random tangents, for fucks’ sake.

 

[Nobody_Important]

I feel it is. Trying to control what your child sees and learns about to such an insane extent that they don’t know LGBT people exist feels pretty overbearing parenting-wise. Not to mention potentially rude and discriminatory, does the parent(s) tell their extended family that all straight couples in the family can be honest about being a couple but all same-sex couples have to pretend to be just friends? If they take their kid shopping or something and see a same sex couple holding hands, do they run over and tell them to knock it off?

I didn't think about it like that. You're right.

 

[GeorgioCostanzaX]

Some reviews that I saw they are not really focusing on the diversity/representation/inclusivity. They say is just a badly made film.

Hard to say: this had zero marketing. I genuinely liked Lightyear and am probably going to see this over the weekend with my kid. Disney is more than capable of making bad films but those are usually unnecessary forgettable sequels like Frozen 2 or Ralph Breaks the Internet not originals. Their production quality has been way off since COVID and the lack of collaboration that comes from WFH on a creative project and the fact that they’ve trained consumers to wait for a much shorter theatrical window for animation on to appear on D+. Raya was well made and big screen worthy and so were Onward and Seeing Red so I think they’ve just trained people to think D+ is worth a short wait.

The annoying part is giving Ben Shapiro and culture war anti woke warriors ammo when a film flops. It could be genuinely bad but I’ll reserve the right to form my own opinion.

 

[Kilau]

I saw multiple ads a day for it on YouTube this past month.

Gotcha, I don’t see ads there either but I guess they did some advertising then.

 

[ManaByte]

The same week this bombs, Disney turns Willow into a lesbian love story.

 

[DeepEnigma]

The same week this bombs, Disney turns Willow into a lesbian love story.

I’m still laughing at that Babylon Bee Bob Iger “satire article” last week or so

 

[NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt]

The same week this bombs, Disney turns Willow into a lesbian love story.

The show has other issues than that. It's boring and generic is the issues I have with it

 

[JayK47]

The same week this bombs, Disney turns Willow into a lesbian love story.

It is like a certain agenda is being hammered into my head with a sledge hammer. This is why I do not want any more sequels or remakes of "classics". They have to queer everything now. Every. Damn. Thing. Didn't you know? Jesus was gay all along.

 

[Nobody_Important]

It is like a certain agenda is being hammered into my head with a sledge hammer. This is why I do not want any more sequels or remakes of "classics". They have to queer everything now. Every. Damn. Thing. Didn't you know? Jesus was gay all along.

Such pent up frustration over something that doesn't even matter lol


"There is gay stuff in my shows!"


Oh no.....

 

[ManaByte]

Such pent up frustration over something that doesn't even matter lol


"There is gay stuff in my shows!"


Oh no.....

The original Willow was a hero's journey about Willow.

This is a lesbian romance written from a bad D&D session where Willow is a guest star.

 

[Nobody_Important]

The original Willow was a hero's journey about Willow.

This is a lesbian romance written from a bad D&D session where Willow is a guest star.

And? Bad interpretations/new takes on old things happen literally all the time. Its basically half of what Hollywood does at this point.


More often than not these things are adapted from their own eras/social dynamics and adapted to modern day.

 

[JayK47]

Just you wait Nobody_Important. One day, they will butcher something you love. How will they do it? God only knows. Furries maybe? A furry re-imagining of your favorite childhood movie or show?

 

[Nobody_Important]

Just you wait Nobody_Important. One day, they will butcher something you love. How will they do it? God only knows. Furries maybe? A furry re-imagining of your favorite childhood movie or show?

Who is "they"? Hollywood?

Because if that's the case they have butchered countless things I love. I've genuinely lost count of the number of shows and movies about things I love that were butchered into shite because of bad writing, bad special effects, or bad acting.

But you don't see me going around complaining about imaginary "agendas or gay people being in my shows.

 

[Doom85]

The original Willow was a hero's journey about Willow.

This is a lesbian romance written from a bad D&D session where Willow is a guest star.

They don’t go on a journey in this new series?

I’m not even saying this new series is good, it just seems from less sensitive people that the issue is the writing quality and such, not the details of two women having feelings for one another.

Hell, as someone who actually saw Strange World, no, the teen son liking another guy was not an issue with the quality of the film. The reason the film was mid:

1) horrible pacing. Anytime a scene that was emotional or built character development occurred, they gave not even half a second to linger before cutting to the next scene. This is really amateur. The audience can’t connect with the characters if they feel they’re constantly being rushed forward without a moment to reflect on what just took place. I’m baffled this was from the co-director of Big Hero 6 and Raya and the Last Dragon as neither of those films had this issue, so I suspect an editor(s) is to blame for this

2) Jaeger (the grandpa), Searcher (the father), and Ethan (the son) are the only ones with any characterization. Searcher’s wife Meridan has no characterization aside from “wife/mother/pilot”. And considering the memorable personalities of the adventure crew of Treasure Planet and especially Atlantis the Lost Empire, oof this ship’s crew is a downgrade. The town’s president is essentially “the captain” (the actual captain might as well not be there, she has like five lines) but we know nothing about her personality other than “tough and uses swords”. The rest of the crew, well there’s one guy who dies in like a minute, and another who does the tired “I fucked up my one job, and I’m going to awkwardly explain it slowly despite it being time sensitive” routine and adds nothing else. The rest of the ship’s crew are just flat out speechless NPCs. Lame.

3) laziest kid appeal character ever, it’s just a blob with a bunch of “hands”. It’s not the worst one (that fucking annoying robot in Treasure Planet, ugh, the only flaw in an otherwise great film) but still pretty bad

4) almost none of the jokes land. I wasn’t big on a few recent Disney films like Wreck it Ralph 2, Frozen 2, and Encanto, but even their jokes were less miss than this

5) the direction of the final act is flat out spelled out for the audience much earlier in the film. Jaeger, Searcher, and Ethan are playing a card game, and the first two get frustrated the game doesn’t have a bad guy, and Ethan says that’s the point. Gee, I wonder what the final act is going to reveal?

The film is saved from being fully awful by Jaeger, Searcher, and Ethan being okay characters (nothing great, but they’re fine) and Dennis Quaid and Jake Gyllenhaal giving some pretty solid performances. Some of the locations and visuals are fairly good even if nothing blew me away visually.

Regardless, in terms of Disney animated adventure films, a massive step down from Raya and the Last Dragon, and even earlier ones like Treasure Planet and Atlantis.

But no, Ethan’s crush on the guy did not hurt the film much. It wasn’t really relevant as it’s only shown or discussed for like two minutes of the movie total, but the film had far bigger issues, and cutting it out would not have fixed them.

 

[ManaByte]

They don’t go on a journey in this new series?

I’m not even saying this new series is good, it just seems from less sensitive people that the issue is the writing quality and such, not the details of two women having feelings for one another.

The series is a generic level 1 D&D adventure module you can download for free off the official D&D website to try out the game. It's cheap, dumb, and lacks any of the fun, heart, or humor that the original Ron Howard movie had. Hell the clips from that movie used in the show just remind you how much better the movie was and how this is a bad Hercules/Xena clone that decided a lesbian relationship was more important core story than the title character, who seems to be phoning it in and isn't even acting like Willow in it.

They turned Elora Danan into Luke Skywalker, who was hidden away as a baby right after the end of the first movie and Willow is cranky Obi-Wan trying to teach her the Force. He even calls it a power that flows through all living things.

It's like they completely forgot what made the first movie good. The son completely came off convincing as Madmartigan's son, but they have him be kidnapped in the first third of the first episode so his lesbian twin sister and her girlfriend can lead a quest to find him. The show is DESPERATELY missing a Madmartigan character, and the one person in the cast who could've filled that hole was turned into the MacGuffin to put virtue signaling front and center.

 

[DeepEnigma]

The series is a generic level 1 D&D adventure module you can download for free off the official D&D website to try out the game. It's cheap, dumb, and lacks any of the fun, heart, or humor that the original Ron Howard movie had. Hell the clips from that movie used in the show just remind you how much better the movie was and how this is a bad Hercules/Xena clone that decided a lesbian relationship was more important core story than the title character, who seems to be phoning it in and isn't even acting like Willow in it.

They turned Elora Danan into Luke Skywalker, who was hidden away as a baby right after the end of the first movie and Willow is cranky Obi-Wan trying to teach her the Force. He even calls it a power that flows through all living things.

It's like they completely forgot what made the first movie good. The son completely came off convincing as Madmartigan's son, but they have him be kidnapped in the first third of the first episode so his lesbian twin sister and her girlfriend can lead a quest to find him. The show is DESPERATELY missing a Madmartigan character, and the one person in the cast who could've filled that hole was turned into the MacGuffin to put virtue signaling front and center.

So, another shallow shoehorn.

 

[RoboFu]

Did they really not advertise this movie? I wouldn’t know because I don’t watch any live TV.

Nah Disney channel advertised the shit out of this shit movie. Lol

 

[jason10mm]

So, another shallow shoehorn.

ManaByte had a little seizure. He's posting about the Willow show, not SW.

 

[jason10mm]

The same week this bombs, Disney turns Willow into a lesbian love story.

Hot lesbians, don't forget. All is forgiven in that case

 

[Unknown Soldier]

A. They didn't show anyone actually getting eaten in Nemo. It's just implied.

B. The guy in hunchback was THE BAD GUY.

C. kids see a man and a woman holding hands or kissing because that's what 99% of their parents are doing. That hetero relationship is what produces 99.9% of...children.

This stuff really isn't that hard guys.

Careful there pal, you're gonna get canceled for saying things like this.

 

[jason10mm]

http://[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helicopter_parent

[/URL]

The ACTUAL FIRST SENTENCE of the article says otherwise. JFC yourself.

Dude, are quoting a WIKIPEDIA definition as if it's gospel? JFC!

1. Ooookay, and are you just betting on the possibility every single child will be too stupid to realize that obviously Nemo’s siblings and mother are dead?

Implied death versus seeing them get chopped up. it's the time honored classic way to slip stuff past kids. I could tell my kid the mom and the other kids just went on vacation

2. It doesn’t change the fact that the film is discussing and showing lust and sexual harassment! Pretty sure you can’t show a clip of Michael Myers violently stabbing someone to a kid and get away with it by going, “well, Michael’s the bad guy.”

Bad values coming from the bad guy is also classic storytelling. Just how long have you been watching these movies?

Pretty sure interracial couples are less common than couples of the same race, should we ban their existence from all fiction a child might consume as well?

You, as usual, would be wrong. Interracial couples with kids (14%) are FAR more common than kids raised by same sex PARENTS (1%). Duh.

We are talking about KIDS , not adults.

 

[Bragr]

This was a good one.

 

[kruis]

It is like a certain agenda is being hammered into my head with a sledge hammer. This is why I do not want any more sequels or remakes of "classics". They have to queer everything now. Every. Damn. Thing. Didn't you know? Jesus was gay all along.

Nonsense. Jesus was transgender.

Jesus could have been transgender, claims Cambridge dean

The dean of Trinity College said such a view was 'legitimate' after a row over a sermon by a student that claimed Christ had a 'trans body'

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt]

Nonsense. Jesus was transgender.

Jesus could have been transgender, claims Cambridge dean

The dean of Trinity College said such a view was 'legitimate' after a row over a sermon by a student that claimed Christ had a 'trans body'

www.telegraph.co.uk

His real name is Jebus

 

[FunkMiller]

Nonsense. Jesus was transgender.

Jesus could have been transgender, claims Cambridge dean

The dean of Trinity College said such a view was 'legitimate' after a row over a sermon by a student that claimed Christ had a 'trans body'

www.telegraph.co.uk

That‘s absolutely fucking stupid, and completely impossible.

He didn’t exist.

 

[DeepEnigma]

ManaByte had a little seizure. He's posting about the Willow show, not SW.

Andor almost wasted 3 episodes on a lesbian relationship drama... almost. Thankfully, it didn't go off the deep end into current year shallow trope and recovered.

 

[Doom85]

Dude, are quoting a WIKIPEDIA definition as if it's gospel? JFC!

Implied death versus seeing them get chopped up. it's the time honored classic way to slip stuff past kids. I could tell my kid the mom and the other kids just went on vacation

Bad values coming from the bad guy is also classic storytelling. Just how long have you been watching these movies?

You, as usual, would be wrong. Interracial couples with kids (14%) are FAR more common than kids raised by same sex PARENTS (1%). Duh.

We are talking about KIDS , not adults.

-at least I provided a source. You basically went, “nah” and acted like that was gospel. I might take your word for it if it weren’t for all the other batshit takes you have here

-well your kid is extremely dense according to you. A predator clearly swooped down to the nest and the mom and all but one of the eggs are gone. Marlin is in tears. He is then later shown to be horrified of the ocean and constantly warns Nemo of how much it’s going to kill them. If the kid is old enough to know what a romantic kiss means, they’re smart enough to know the mom and siblings are not on vacation. My niece was 3 and she knows when someone died in a Disney film, and Finding Nemo is pretty damn clear on the matter. I’m curious how you tried to bullshit the ghosts of Mufasa, or Moana’s grandma…

-oh, fuck off with your inconsistency. You’re sitting here preaching to us about how these movies need to watch what they teach the kids, but a movie showing lust and sexual harassment, regardless of the moral stance of the film on it, is a-okay? What kind of fucked up elementary school are you sending your kid to where the teacher goes, “now boys, don’t grab a woman and pull her up against your body, sniff her hair, and be clearly aroused. Also, don’t decide a woman belongs to you and if she refuses you’ll burn her alive.” Is it located in Silent Hill?

-that’s still a vast minority percentage. I mean, how many parents don’t want their kid dating outside of their race when they’re older. I mean, my own mother used to have that stance (and both my grandparents, and one of my uncles, are against interracial couples to this day). So they would be outraged that Disney/Pixar is introducing the idea of interracial romance to “impressionable” kids (I didn’t even consider the concept growing up until Icwas a preteen and read Animorphs and Jake and Cassie were dating. It blew my mind, because lord knows most of my family weren’t going to tell me it was a thing people do). So where do you draw the line in “kids are allowed to know you exist”, and “fuck you and your desire to be equally represented, kids don’t need to know you exist”? Just curious.

-why are we talking about kids with these percentages? You’re just throwing out numbers without any context. And 1% is still kinda big in a planet with BILLIONS of people in it. Besides, why are we focusing on kids raised by same sex couples? Those kids already know LGBT people exist, duh, they’re not the ones in need of learning to not be homophobic.

For the record, while my parents gave me the old “treat everyone nicely” routine, I can never recall them specifying not to treat other races/ethnicities poorly, and I’d be surprised if they did. You don’t need a license to be a parent, and I highly doubt there aren’t to this day many parents who fail to teach their kids not to discriminate against other race/ethnicities. And LGBT is no different, hell it’s arguably more important. Homophobia is even more commonplace than racism in most places it seems, and whether it’s due to parents never telling their kids not to discriminate against LGBT, or worse teaching them to be homophobic (we’ve seen just recently a serious example of the consequences of such parenting), it is what it is. A movie(s) that aims to promote equality before negative influences get to a growing individual’s mind is not a bad thing in my mind. Anyone who says otherwise doesn’t genuinely stand for equality as far as I’m concerned.

Now please, provide actual arguments instead of going off on random tangents or just saying nonsense, or,you’re not getting another response. I already had to deal with one obnoxious troll in the Black Panther 2 thread, you’re not at troll level yet but kind of pushing it, and the holiday season is not a good time of year to test my patience with clown shenanigans.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Did you go see the movie Nobody_Important ?