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Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike Online Edition |OT| Let's fight like gentlemen!
- Thread starter Vespa
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sixteen-bit
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No kidding, Dudley's theme is terribad.
darkressurection
Banned
Still listening through the remixes, Makoto's is easily my favorite so far though.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
okay, i'm giving up that remy. can't resist hugo looking badass. thx again.
Gentleman Jack
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Too tall/wrong proportions to get this artwork avatared? I always liked this perspective on Hugo.
Knux-Future
Banned
Vespa said:
yoink
iAmMaximus
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I'll gladly take this! Thank you!
The Return of
Banned
I cannot wait for this 
, so excited.
Finally, I'll be able to play with more people, my Necro is hungry.
, so excited. Finally, I'll be able to play with more people, my Necro is hungry.
"God's Beard!"
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Fersis said:
I agree with Sirlin, the game is pretty unbalanced and there are obvious things they could change that everyone agrees that should be done (like lengthening Yuns super bar and toning down some of Chuns normals) . I dont know why anyone here was hoping this game would make a return at Evo. Cant get enough Chun and Yun on youtube? Such awful balancing wouldnt be tolerated in any other genre of game but for some reason its great for fighters.
People keep saying that people wont take to a rebalanced version. I guarantee if Capcom threw some money behind it at big tournaments people would play.
Snowblindvictim
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I'll take this one. Thanks a bunch for making these
RiderKairuu
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Getting this on PSN to start. Im definitely down to play with you guys. Kurse318 is my ID
ThatCrazyGuy
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RS4- said:
What's so "lol" about it? He brings up great points.
Cool S-Kill interview.
spindashing
Banned
Day 1 lobbies will be delicious..la1n said:
Doesn't he always have problems with fighting games not named Super Street Fighter II Turbo HD Remix?ThatCrazyGuy said:
the_log_ride
Member
1st comment on that article is pretty spot-on.
LOL @ 2nd comment
LOL @ 2nd comment
ThatCrazyGuy
Member
spindashing said:
He's not right on everything, but he brings up good points.
HDR is his baby. Wouldn't you slather your baby with eternal love?? haha.
Gentleman Jack
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DatBreh said:
How much development time and money did Capcom throw at Super Street Figher II HD Remix? History is not on your side of the argument here. I don't fault Capcom for not taking the 'change the game in prominent places' route a second time.
I think after HD Remix, anything Sirlin has to say about...anything will forever be taken with a gigantic lump of salt. Besides, without the original group of developers doing the rebalancing, I wouldn't trust anyone else with it. I mean, who the hell else should do the rebalance? Sirlin? Ono? Who would you trust at that company to get a rebalance right?
Gentleman Jack said:
Im not talking money toward development. Im talking about sponsoring tournaments. Throw some jackpots behind the game and all these pro players who say they dont want a rebalanced game will play it. Remember when SF4 was fist being shown around and many pro players including Diago said they hated it, yet they played it anyway because it was going to be the tournament scene game.
Hell even Capcom agreed the game needed balancing but they cut the money out the budget for it early on. They prob. knew that people would buy it anyway so there was no need in spending that money.
the problem is, if you know any tourney level 3s players they all pretty much laugh at the idea of having a rebalanced version of the game outside of a handful of people. most players agree its pretty much too late for that, the game is what it is. the unbalanced elements are part of its charm at this point and a fact of life. i mean who doesnt love seeing a hugo blow up a yun or chun li player?
outside of a miracle, it would end up splintering the already fragile community, with OGs not accepting it and newer players -maybe- taking it seriously -- no one knows for sure.
beyond that, once you get into rebalancing the game, as Ive said before, it becomes a real slippery slope. while many of the balances changes might be obvious enough, you never know what can happen behind closed doors. You could end up with the "perfect version" or a frankienstien of the original that after a time becomes just as broken, if not more than when it was first released.
so while on paper, tinkering with 3s may seem like a good idea, the better idea is to just make a new fucking game. If 3s is really so completely horrible and unplayable (it isnt, duh), just make SF3: 4th Down or some new 2d sprite based game. Id rather play a new game like that with new/revised mechanics with some new characters rather than potentially fuck up what is already a pretty sick game.
outside of a miracle, it would end up splintering the already fragile community, with OGs not accepting it and newer players -maybe- taking it seriously -- no one knows for sure.
beyond that, once you get into rebalancing the game, as Ive said before, it becomes a real slippery slope. while many of the balances changes might be obvious enough, you never know what can happen behind closed doors. You could end up with the "perfect version" or a frankienstien of the original that after a time becomes just as broken, if not more than when it was first released.
so while on paper, tinkering with 3s may seem like a good idea, the better idea is to just make a new fucking game. If 3s is really so completely horrible and unplayable (it isnt, duh), just make SF3: 4th Down or some new 2d sprite based game. Id rather play a new game like that with new/revised mechanics with some new characters rather than potentially fuck up what is already a pretty sick game.
DatBreh said:
Err nobody in this thread asked for this to come to Evo. You're like the millionth person to come in and preach the truth (and it is the truth) that this is unbalanced, message received.
3S OE was just meant to be 3S plus an online component, fans are happy. Rebalance mode would be great as an additional mode and maybe there's a possibility down the line if this sells but who knows (Currently ruled out). Personally I wouldn't know who to trust to rebalance this anyway it's not like this is the same Capcom that released this in 1999.
Gentleman Jack
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obonicus said:
3rd Strike is amazingly balanced compared to 2nd Impact.
And what a coincidence, Sirlin doesn't like the other two major fighting games that came out in 2008.
Vespa said:
Go back and read the thread from when the game was first shown. Plenty of people said they hoped this would bring the game back into the spotlight and back into Evo.
I still think they should have included a rebalance mode that way both camps are happy but i guess there is no point talking about that anymore.
Gaylord Sweetwood
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I never got into SF4 as much as I had hoped. I had every opportunity to learn the game rather well in the Chicagoland area, but I guess I just wasn't that interested in it.
Now is my time to actually sit down and digest a SF game fully with 3s. I've played it off and on for a decade, but I'm actually going to get as good as possible at it.
Toss up between maining Ryu or Ken. I was Sagat in SF4 and Chun in SSF4, and it would make sense to picking Chun in 3s, but there's something about Shotos being fun in SF3.
Right now leaning towards Ryu, but I wish they would have left him with a 2 stock Denjin like in 2i.
P.S. Thanks for the Avatar hypes!
Now is my time to actually sit down and digest a SF game fully with 3s. I've played it off and on for a decade, but I'm actually going to get as good as possible at it.
Toss up between maining Ryu or Ken. I was Sagat in SF4 and Chun in SSF4, and it would make sense to picking Chun in 3s, but there's something about Shotos being fun in SF3.
Right now leaning towards Ryu, but I wish they would have left him with a 2 stock Denjin like in 2i.
P.S. Thanks for the Avatar hypes!
Gentleman Jack said:
He gave reasons, though. I'm going off memory here, so I may be wrong, but as I remember its: for SF4 he didn't like the size of the playing field, he didn't like the jumps, and he thought it was ridiculous that SF4 was meant to be more casual/approachable and yet it had 1-frame links.
For BB I don't quite remember his complaints, though he thought that making the throws take a bazillion frames and be super techable hurt the basic tactics of the game. There might have been more.
Edit: not saying Sirlin isn't a blowhard. He totally is. That doesn't make him a biased know-nothing, though, and often quite the opposite.
The thing that gets me though is that when Sirlin brings up his complaints about a game 99% of the time its the same complaints the fans have and wanted changed but since its Sirlin he gets the "lol Sirlin". His complaints about SF4 were all legit.
If you have been on SRK for a while you know there have been countless threads about changes to improve the game. But for some reason when someone in the gaming media says it, you want all hands off.
If you have been on SRK for a while you know there have been countless threads about changes to improve the game. But for some reason when someone in the gaming media says it, you want all hands off.
obonicus said:
At this point, why would you trust anyone at Capcom then? Ono's third shot at SF4? AE. Marvell vs. Capcom 2 wasn't balanced by players played the shit out it. MvC3 isn't balanced. Who knows about Ultimate MvC3 (going on history? Doubtful). SF X Tekken? Doubt it.
So, who WOULD you trust?
Leave the game as is. It is fine. Imagine the outcry if they rebalanced MvC2 after 10 years. lol Also, HD Remix didn't work so there goes that...
DatBreh said:
People on SRK didn't do what he did to HD Remix either. I would hardly call him a part of the "gaming media". Dude still thinks he improved the balance too. Plus, he just straight up called Haunts' review shameful. A little bit more respect for the dude helping out the FGC much more than Sirlin with this new generation of fighters.
3S will never make a comeback in the US. We're so behind in the game its sad while in Japan, it is their MvC2.
I dont think this is a good tourney game in the USA and I dont care if it comes back to EVO or not, it already had its time to shine and US proved its ass at the game so whatever. The Daigo parry was obviously one of the best moments in FG history, but outside of that its mostly been a bust at the evos I saw it played at.
On the other hand, SBO 3s replays/highlights contain some of the FG play to date. Hell, 3s is super hype at SBO virtually every year from what I've seen. If the USA was even half as good at the game as the Japanese are then it would be a worthwhile tournament game here in the states for sure.
On the other hand, SBO 3s replays/highlights contain some of the FG play to date. Hell, 3s is super hype at SBO virtually every year from what I've seen. If the USA was even half as good at the game as the Japanese are then it would be a worthwhile tournament game here in the states for sure.
Kintaro said:
This is nonsense. You said that you wouldn't trust anyone but the original devs. I don't understand why you would trust them particularly, given their track record. At least Ono has SSF4. And hell, don't go to Capcom. Go to the fighting-game community. They study this stuff and actively seek out ways to break the game for their own advantage -- better they do it in beta than after release.
Slamtastic
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the releases are the betas for the next releasesobonicus said:
ProtoCents
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God's Beard said:
That was really cool. Good on Seth.