So useless unless you're using it to convert into super.
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Street Fighter V |OTVI| The More I Know, The Worse I Play
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So useless unless you're using it to convert into super.
TheSpoiler
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Yo damn at those Urien buffs. I'm getting the hang of these charge timings so it'll all be worth it in the end.
Welcome to SF, nah, the canon for pretty much every fighter!
Didn't seem like he needed to stall considering
Yeah killing off Gen like this was ridiculous but man it was his time.
Necaili's stuff is in line with his powerset but it's still fucking odd. It's so goofy that it still feels like a SF cutscene so lol.
The Akuma and Ryu thing was a long time coming. In SF3 they don't seem to be at each other's throats, and it explains how Akuma can be a jerk but also not completely evil.
I would have liked to see Akuma do more, but I doubt he will.
Necaili's stuff is in line with his powerset but it's still fucking odd. It's so goofy that it still feels like a SF cutscene so lol.
The Akuma and Ryu thing was a long time coming. In SF3 they don't seem to be at each other's throats, and it explains how Akuma can be a jerk but also not completely evil.
I would have liked to see Akuma do more, but I doubt he will.
Ucchedavāda;226697058 said:
Welcome to SF, nah, the canon for pretty much every fighter!
Didn't seem like he needed to stall considering
the fight was already over. But then again, he could have been stalling to suss out Akuma and why he didn't just flat out murder him. I still think the corny ass speech was his way of confirming "you probably want to fight me again so let's do so in the future".
OmegaTreeFish
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Almost a half hour of Season 2 Guile: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io74Hb9a-2Q
UDK counter hit combos into s.HP->c.MP
Watching this and at 13:45:
So if this sticks and I anti air with Cr.HP and it CC's I can potentially double flash kick them and ultra...... Amazing.
I got a feeling im gonna still be using Guile for some time lol.
Thanks to Moaradin I was playing around with the S2 version of Bison a bit.
Honestly, I dunno how I feel about it so far. There's some things I can't really glean from training mode (particularly any invincibility changes to scissors or stomp) but there is some things here I don't like. Devil's Reverse is a lot less maneuverable in the air, and it feels like Psycho Axe is slightly slower on startup. cr.HP doesn't seem any different to me frame wise; hopefully it has a better hitbox on it now or something.
The target combo is an actual combo now, though Shadow Axe has even worse hit advantage and doesn't seem to combo into anything if it hits (you can't get cr.MP followup like before). It is V-Cancelable, but it is so unsafe on block that I can't imagine using it for anything else. You will guaranteed eat shit if they block Shadow Axe now and you can't V-cancel.
3f st.LK is very nice, and being able to store an absorbed projectile for later use should be very useful in some matchups.
I'll probably explore Alex later. I didn't come away from my brief time with Bison as excited as some other folks reported in.
Honestly, I dunno how I feel about it so far. There's some things I can't really glean from training mode (particularly any invincibility changes to scissors or stomp) but there is some things here I don't like. Devil's Reverse is a lot less maneuverable in the air, and it feels like Psycho Axe is slightly slower on startup. cr.HP doesn't seem any different to me frame wise; hopefully it has a better hitbox on it now or something.
The target combo is an actual combo now, though Shadow Axe has even worse hit advantage and doesn't seem to combo into anything if it hits (you can't get cr.MP followup like before). It is V-Cancelable, but it is so unsafe on block that I can't imagine using it for anything else. You will guaranteed eat shit if they block Shadow Axe now and you can't V-cancel.
3f st.LK is very nice, and being able to store an absorbed projectile for later use should be very useful in some matchups.
I'll probably explore Alex later. I didn't come away from my brief time with Bison as excited as some other folks reported in.
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Teknopathetic
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Those Urien changes are yummy, but headbutt loop combos were mad fun.
I'll miss them, hoping for other iterations
ShinMaruku
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Watch them buff Ryu.
GuileBootCamp
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Yeah, I took it as
Ryu thinking, "Fuck. He won. He's totally going to kill me now. Gotta think of something fast so that he wants to fight me again later."
I'm also completely projecting what I want Ryu's intentions to be into the scene so he's a more likable character, but it my headcanon, it works.
I'm also completely projecting what I want Ryu's intentions to be into the scene so he's a more likable character, but it my headcanon, it works.
Looks like the CC doesn't activate unless you're at odd ranges.
GuileBootCamp
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Seems like it's only the first hitbox that CCs. He should be able to use it similarly to his current s.HP in setups, but also as better anti-air CCs.
DR2K
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Cr HP AA. Thank god. It'll cover areas Juri really couldn't AA reliably .
OmegaTreeFish
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if you hit them with it as the attack it should always CC I would think. But also we wont know for sure intil the final thing hits.
lucebuce12
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These Juri buffs got me excited. I just need to have a character with an air throw in my repertoire.
This is garbage. Considering how much help FANG needed, Capcom really dropped the ball. Did they at least adjust his damage?
There were a lot of system changes that helped FANG sure, but why did they think he needed nerfs? Cr.mk being slower is huge. It was one of his best tools, and now it's worse for pressuring and AAing. What the heck was the logic behind this change?
Here's a full list of changes from SRK:
I mean, slowing down his crouching medium punch? One of his best footsie tools? Why?
lucebuce12
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Unless you heard somewhere that cr.mk is also slower?
Oh didn't see that new list.
Ya, I recently checked on SRK after I saw your post. This is freaking ridiculous, they balanced FANG like they balanced Chun Li, as if they were on the same level. Kneecapping his strongest tools, with some light buffs to compensate.
lucebuce12
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But was cr.mp really that good of a footsie tool? I think pretty much everybody preferred buttons like st.mp and df.hp and EX Sotoja in those situations.
I think it still makes sense when you take all the global changes into account. We also don't know yet if there are any changes to his combos (Maybe he can combo from a AA st.hp/cr.mk ?) or his damage output or his poison/v-skill/v-trigger properties.
EDIT: Tbh though, it doesn't really make much sense when you look at it on it's own, but maybe that V-Trigger change is what caused it. The ability to walk forward and use those insane frametraps without having to worry about charge and still having relatively fast buttons would be insane.
Ya, cr.mp fell out of fashion for FANG mains after the first month or so, but I still loved it. I wished they made it a low, that would justify the slower frames.
I may just be overreacting, but I don't understand the logic behind these changes though. Why are Balrog and Urien getting more buffs than FANG? Why did cr.MK have to become slower?
EDIT: I disagree on FANG walking forward and doing frame traps being insane. S1 had characters who could do that for free for way more damage and with specials that weren't punishable on block.
Marvel
could never
Akuma just wants to fight strong opponents to the death.
During the Alpha period,
Gen
Gen
To me, Akuma always wanted Ryu to accept the Satsui because he would be a stronger opponent with it. It seems now this has changed and Akuma will wait for Ryu to complete his training before challenging to a death battle.
lucebuce12
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My theory is that it might cause a juggle state on AA. That would make the most sense for making it slower since it would also be a more potent option, particularly when you consider that FANG has 3 great AA buttons.
And in regards to the frametrap thing, all of those characters HAD to keep going in as that was the only way they could do damage. FANG has fireballs, trap and a slide so being able to get hits in, poison the opponent and backoff is a massive advantage that no other character can really pull off. No other character is as unique an archetype in this game as good ol' hit-n-run F.A.N.G
And it's also a massive buff to his neutral game, being able to easily buffer a move into his st.mp to confirm into super perhaps. And also, none of those characters have instant overheads.
Oof. At least it looks like his previous combos are still relatively the same in spite of all the frame shuffling. Frame traps from and into lights look to be about the same, if not improved. st.lp and st.lk probably combo into LK Ryobenda now, if hitstun on those were lengthened by a frame. Senpukuga and st.lp could combo into st.hp on CH now too.
Edit: though, if they reduced the recovery on st.lp and st.lk by a frame instead of lengthening hit/blockstun, LK Ryobenda won't combo. Need to double check if hitstun on lights is a universal value.
CountBlack
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Chun still gonna be top 1
Legs, legs, legs, legs, legs.
Birdie probably. Maybe Necalli if you prefer charge characters.
But this game has easier execution, don't get intimidated by it and play what's fun for you.
Marvel
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Ryu.
Oh then definitely Balrog and Ryu, too.
Cammy
TheSpoiler
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AFAIK, their fight was a stalemate, but Akuma ended up stopping the fight because of COUGH COUGH COUGH.
But, yeah, Akuma is willing to wait around for Ryu to get strong af now and doesn't care about Ryu reaching the SnH anymore, I guess. So, there you go people. Akuma got some character development.
That just looks like Chun-Li stuff to me; can't even tell what's different.
all characters for the most part are fine with pad in this game. there's only really a few really technical characters in the game so you can pretty much choose who you want. Ryu is always a good starting point, if you want maybe a basic charge character instead go balrog.
anyone thinking otherwise was fooling themselves.
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You're right. As someone who struggles with basic execution I'm going to assume none of this balance patch really applies to me and start with core fundamentals.
TheSpoiler
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Are those more Chun combos or just different? I don't think I've seen stomps like that before.
Seems like Capcom is giving people more combo opportunities and combos in general. I don't know how I feel about the damage scaling, if that's a thing.
Seems like Capcom is giving people more combo opportunities and combos in general. I don't know how I feel about the damage scaling, if that's a thing.
Yeah but with like half the damage lol
Also im thinking maybe the mash legs has different properties than motion, like she is left closer to the opponent. Some of those combos arent possible right now cause she would be too far away. Or maybe its just a general buff lol
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