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Street Fighter V |OTVIII| New Delayed Generation - Controversial Inputs
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Rickenslacker
Banned
I wanna say maybe even Mankind Divided? The thing is SFV is unique being a games as a service game whereas the others kinda drop and get forgotten about. The constant updates of SFV keeps it relevant to people and opens the wound all over. Like the recent Ocelot update for MGSV FOB missions.
MGSV deserves the hate.
katsubento
Member
It's disgusting. It always turns into hate. I think Marvel Infinite will suffer the same fate. Even if it actually turns out good.
It's kinda like Birdie's, except his is 3 bars.
There's no hope for Marvel. It's going to be worse probably. At least SFV started receiving hate after it had actually come out.
People love to hate stuff it's the way it is now
I just noticed it drains in chunks when he does his charged punches. Maybe the duration is meant to offset that.
Still, feel like it's a bit much. Maybe they should make his three bars too.
The funny thing is that while tekken7 is a really good game it has less content and maybe worse online(PS4) then sfv but people give it a pass for the most part
katsubento
Member
It's close, but I think SFV takes the crown.
SFV is the first game I've followed that has threads being made consistently in non-community setting. I just thought lots of games had this happen on GAF or something lol
Not being made by capcom is a benefit. Also Namco seems to be trying to communicate more.
Not being made by capcom is a benefit. Also Namco seems to be trying to communicate more.
Turbanator
Member
Bamco has far better communication and marketing. Otherwise, T7's in the exact same boat as SFV.
It's not entirely their fault. They don't have anything to announce ever.
I agree with that the people that run the marketing side for capcom for sf5 is not doing a good job.
Playing Ranked is like Gonnorhea. Probably didn't help that I've been playing for hours.
I hate this game now
John D is doing a great job driving people away lol
I hate this game now
John D is doing a great job driving people away lol
TheSpoiler
Member
No way. He needs it to be two in order to have any sort of defense going. Plus v trigger.
Turbanator
Member
As I said before, the negativity around SFV would be at least cut in half if there was two-way transparency between us and some PR team at Capcom.
He's not pr tho. He's part of the esports team and they are the ones keeping the game popular. Also capcom jp has ruined this game so far and the game being outsourced has not done the game any favors.
Good new, I landed a pre-jump frames cancel spd today to beat a throw! that was pretty exciting.
Bad news, everything else. Demoted to platinum, everyone is a bad matchup for abigail.
If he's not PR that's not much better since he's one of the only faces we see from Capcom.
Bad news, everything else. Demoted to platinum, everyone is a bad matchup for abigail.
If he's not PR that's not much better since he's one of the only faces we see from Capcom.
Yea and that's a big problem I think.
Defense? Do you mean his V-Reversal?
It has less now, but it launched far better from a Casual perspective. Casual FG players tend to not give a flying fuck about online modes. All they'll do is get eaten alive by competitive players. They just want to go through an arcade ladder and customize their character. They can do both those things without paying extra or having to grind for hours or try to do combos way too difficult for them the way SFV makes you. They got the nonsense story mode out of the gate too and didn't have to wait months for it. Its all about putting your best foot forward and while Tekken stumbled a bit, SFV just straight up face planted.
Turbanator
Member
Is this a meme? It has to be. There's no other explanation for this coming up in every conversation.
One character was modeled by a freelancer and suddenly the entire game was programmed by the virtual equivalent of a Mongolian sweatshop.
Let's ignore that almost literally every single game made has outsourcing done.
Let's ignore that SFV was the first Capcom fighter to not be outsourced in its entirety since 2004.
Let's ignore that the graphical quality of SFV remains consistently good despite at least one character not being modeled in-house.
Nope. Fuck that stuff. They did outsourcing. Capcom is evil.
The Meme is, if it's made by capcom than the game is instantly shit.
Capcom hasnt made a good street fighter game since Aliens vs Predator Arcade.
What I'm saying by the game being outsourced is not doing it any favors is that they can't fix stuff at a pace that people what and stuff takes forever because it's not in house and it continue into the Communication about the game because capcom us doesn't know what's going on or something like that. It's a combination of everything. And I like the art In sf5 I think it's good and it has some of the best animation in any fighters right now
If the Cammy knows what she's doing, having her in your face can be equally dangerous tbh.
Nemesis121
Member
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SolarPowered
Member
Talked about this in the discord a while ago. The SFV system is designed to drag people down with the loss penalties, but rewards are slim depending on the rank since one rarely gets to fight someone with much higher LP or rank. I'd honestly be fine with a system that gave or took an equal amount of points for wins or losses. Any deviations would come from losing streaks (where the player would lose less points) or win streaks (where the player would earn more points). Their current ranked system really does suck and it's one of a few reasons why I feel like SFV will be my last Capcom fighter for a long time.
I don't love to hate SFV... I just want it to be the product it had the potential to be.
Which character?
Was it Ken?
It was Ken wasn't it?
Yeah it was Ken.
That's bananas... 🍌🍌
I'm fine with it, and this is speaking as someone who loses a million points when I lose to a Platinum player. In fact, it's a good thing that people don't get to face others who are of much higher rank or LP, because it's kind of a pain when it happens to those with the higher rank. Harsh circumstances makes the actual rankings matter. What should feel rewarding is the experience points that you gain towards character levels, and those don't really amount to much.
But, like in StarCraft II ladder, matches can feel competitive because the developers didn't feel a need to sugarcoat the competitive experience for people online. There's Casual matchmaking for people who are fed up with it, but I appreciate the Ranked structure because the matches are actually serious.
Glad I could be of assistance I mean I'm not exactly good at this game myself (I have issues with the last 2 or 3 combo trials but I understand HOW they're supposed to be done) but your particular problem was one I struggled with for a very long time so I passed on the advice that was given to me by my friend (who is pretty decent at SF in general).
Learning to play these games properly isn't easy and won't just happen in a few minutes. Takes some dedication to strict practice and then learning where you need improvement followed by seeking it out. It never really stops either even at the high end pro level. So just keep improving at your own pace and remember to have fun with it.
I think you can still have the feeling of high stakes while not giving the player a feeling of lost progress if they just lock you to your current league. You can keep losing points until you reach the lowest amount for your current league, and then you can't drop lower than that. That'd also encourage more people to try new characters online, since they won't let us have separate LP per character.
I'm against that, too. Going back to SCII, since that's the other competitive game I was into before SFV, there was always the danger that, if you weren't doing well, you could get demoted out of your league (which was a bigger deal in that game than it feels in SFV Ranked). That danger was a good thing. Any barriers to make people feel good about themselves just causes unnecessary inflation and makes for skill levels that don't match ranks/leagues.
People dismiss ranks/leagues in some games as "not meaning anything" for this reason. But, in SFV, while that argument can still be made in some cases (like pro players who don't play Ranked and are in Platinum or something), it's still more analogous than some other systems that are just based on reward and emphasize positive reinforcement.
I'd be for per character LP, though.
Rickenslacker
Banned
+1, makes me just way too complacent to stick with my main as it currently is.
Yeah I like the way Tekken 7 handles it.
lucebuce12
Member
Final Fantasy XV, Metal Gear Solid V, Assassin's Creed series, No Man's Sky.
And if the mods decided not to let this continue, NeoGAF Gaming might as well not even exist. The only people left would be Crossing Eden selling Ubisoft games and BronsonLee + Dahbomb posting in the Marvel speculation thread. It's the reason why I just hate posting in the gaming section, so much drive by shit posting and just generally uninformed opinions which are so rooted in their original stance that no amount of proof to the contrary will change it.
Marvel
could never
I laughed.
katsubento
Member
It's really prevalent on Facebook. They even admit they don't like Fighters and shit all over SF and MvCI.
UcchedavÄda
Member
The LP / Ranking system could use some tweaks.
For example, it seems odd that it is more advantageous go loss, win, win, than it is to go win, loss, win, if you are close to ranking up. But because LP and ranks are distributed after each match, and since a higher rank loses more LP to a lower rank, the second combination results in a lower net LP gain despite the overall result being the same.
Not that I think that it is a mark against SFV, but I believe that several characters were outsourced to VOLTA, a Canadiansweatshop company, including Zangief, Ibuki, and F.A.N.G (article). They also worked on some of the costumes. The Malaysian branch of another company, Streamline Studios, worked on unspecified stages, characters, and costumes (press release).
EDIT:
See also the SFV credits:
https://www.mobygames.com/game/windows/street-fighter-v/credits
For example, it seems odd that it is more advantageous go loss, win, win, than it is to go win, loss, win, if you are close to ranking up. But because LP and ranks are distributed after each match, and since a higher rank loses more LP to a lower rank, the second combination results in a lower net LP gain despite the overall result being the same.
Not that I think that it is a mark against SFV, but I believe that several characters were outsourced to VOLTA, a Canadian
EDIT:
See also the SFV credits:
https://www.mobygames.com/game/windows/street-fighter-v/credits
TheSpoiler
Member
Not only that but the additional armor you get while being in v trigger.
The mods clearly have an agenda. Also, yeah. I think I'll never go into those threads again because not only is it making me look bad (even though I gave constructive criticism and thus getting called an "extremist"), it's actually wasting my time on improving in this game. Some of the double standards are hilarious.
Not quite. I think John D is part of licensing esports. SFV has WSO every single week from Capcom UK office and their Twitter/FB is active when it needs to be. Another community manager for the game, especially in the US, would definitely improve transparency.
lucebuce12
Member
Clearly.