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Street Fighter V |OTVIII| New Delayed Generation - Controversial Inputs
- Thread starter Reizo Ryuu
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This is beyond hyperbole. Punk is still one of the best SFV players in the world, a couple losses to equally talented players doesn't change that.
I mean, I'm nowhere close to pro level either, I think that's why it bothers me so much lol
Turbanator
Member
That's what Juri said in SFIV, and look how she turned out 6 years later.
Rickenslacker
Banned
It's not even losses really, he got second place lol.
He's gotten second place at a couple of tournaments recently, but he's still the highest ranked player in North America and the world by a fair amount. People are catching up a little though, which is normal. Nobody ever dominates forever (unless you're that SonicFox dude with NRS games, I guess).
amazing
Poor Punk. Trying to gain space but, this game and it's shitty push back on block won't let him. Game just wants him to mash aimlessly into v trigger cancel.
That button remains as just one of the stupid shit Laura still has.amazing
People hate on Vesper because he makes videos about every dumb thing (they're not wrong) but that dude loves him some SFV.
Nemesis121
Member
amazing
Punk go back into training mode son...Karin st.mk can beat Laura st.mk spam...
st.MK would trade. If you're 1f slow, you get CH.
Seriously, what's with all this backseat coaching going on? You guys really think Punk doesn't know how to play? I'm shocked at how many people are bending backwards to make Laura look less BS just because she won a major.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
Whoa, I managed to actually beat a really solid FANG as Abigail!
I lost the first round and he even teabagged me while I was stunned, but then I downloaded him and managed to take the next two with some trouble. I felt so proud!
But then the real kicker came when he sent me this a few minutes later. Genuinely made my night:
I lost the first round and he even teabagged me while I was stunned, but then I downloaded him and managed to take the next two with some trouble. I felt so proud!
But then the real kicker came when he sent me this a few minutes later. Genuinely made my night:
I'm not saying Laura doesn't have problems, but I do think folks are somewhat exaggerating how that interaction played out in order to make that button seem worse than it actually is (and for the record, I'm not saying it isn't bad).
Especially since I'm now noticing that Punk tried to check it with sMP, which is a 5f that could have stuffed Laura's sMK (which is also 5f and also had that -2 oB to contend with). And it's not a question of the sMK pushing Punk out of range and then his sMP getting punished on recovery, because if that had been the case Punk wouldn't have gotten counterhit. Seems to me more likely that the nerves and the tilt made Punk screw up his timing and the sMP came out at least 3 frames later than it should have, hence why he got counterhit. Laura's sMK does have a somewhat weird-looking hitstun effect, so perhaps that contributed as well.
Especially since I'm now noticing that Punk tried to check it with sMP, which is a 5f that could have stuffed Laura's sMK (which is also 5f and also had that -2 oB to contend with). And it's not a question of the sMK pushing Punk out of range and then his sMP getting punished on recovery, because if that had been the case Punk wouldn't have gotten counterhit. Seems to me more likely that the nerves and the tilt made Punk screw up his timing and the sMP came out at least 3 frames later than it should have, hence why he got counterhit. Laura's sMK does have a somewhat weird-looking hitstun effect, so perhaps that contributed as well.
Better than getting salty message'd.
If you tell your CFN anyone can go check your replays and give you feedback.
Just keep at it and you will get better eventually. Would suggest to concentrating on defense for now.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
It was a salty message! I was the one telling him GGs; my approach for dealing with excess sodium is to act irritatingly positive cuz it puts them on tilt even more.
lucebuce12
Member
Vespers 15 game abigail win streak was just broken by a FANG player named VesperSucks
Rice-Eater
Member
Some platinum Akuma player named Azjayy just rage quit on me just a bit ago. He won the first match, I took the 2nd. I dominated the 3rd match and was about to win after I stunned him with like 10% health left. Then I heard the double beep sound. Didn't make my night though. I was trying to climb back to 7k LP after dropping below that last week and that win would have been it. Now I don't want to play anymore ranked because I feel like I might go on a bad streak after this lol.
The magic of uploading quitters online is gone. But I always keep the video saved on my PS4 just in case I ever need to pull it back up. Wish I could do the same for PC without doing some extra work.
Oh shoot, I took the XD smileys to mean he was just kidding about calling you a scrub and all that, heh. Salty messages really are the best tho. I usually just reply back with a
.This game has such funky "your turn is over" interactions and animations. Like, it took almost a year for me to find out FANG's ground poison was -7. I never looked up the frames because it didn't "feel" like or look like it was my turn. The block stun ends so quickly that you can easily miss the punish window. Irritating as fuck.
And as time goes on and fighters get more kinetic, clarity needs to be something to take in consideration. Not more obtuse shit like whatever the fuck goes on when Ken puts you in block stun.
"Learn the match up" blah blah blah
lucebuce12
Member
Well those are probably the ones who don't attend the monthly web-conference.
Learn the matchup.
amazing
I just threw up in my mouth a little
He can only do that because he broke Punk. It's -2.
Guess every Laura on earth is breaking their opponents constantly with st. Mk.
He was doing this to Danslip in every round.
He didn't try it at all against Punk until the very end.
Vesper is a tournament level player who stream himself beating up gold and silvers online whenever a new character comes out! Pretty easy target to stream snipe!
ShaperofStories
Member
Why are we complaining about Laura's St.MK? It's -2 on block. Can't you just press jab or short after blocking it? Problem solved?
lucebuce12
Member
I found VesperSucks.
Try it next time you fight a competent Laura.
ShaperofStories
Member
I have. This isn't sarcasm. I seriously would like to know what's so bad about it. If a Laura tries to go brain dead by just spamming St. MK, what's to stop me from throwing out a light normal? What happens when you try?
Rice-Eater
Member
It has weird block stun and decent push back. At the optimal ranges that most Laura's will use it most light attacks will normally whiff. But a lot of people end up getting hit by it or keep blocking because it has low hit stun so you block one and then a sequence like this tends to happen where you say "Wait a minute, that's -2 on block. My turn..oh shit too late". Or you cr. Jab whiffs and you get hit by the next st. MK. It's easy to blow it up if you're looking for it. But it's easy to get caught off guard by it when you're not.
To me it's like Elena's sweep in SF4 where the block stun lasted forever or Rose's EX spiral where it's shorter than you think so both went unpunished a lot.
ShaperofStories
Member
I see. That's what I thought. I've been caught having certain lights whiff after blocking one of her knees, but I've long since trained myself to rely on longer range answers.
This seems like a case where getting flustered by the attack is commonplace, but it's certainly not a "problematic" attack. At least not in my opinion.
lucebuce12
Member
Everyone complaining about a C-Tier character, smh.
We're not talking about Bison.
I resubscribed recently actually! Dude have been doing up to three or four different news in a single video lately, I was impressed.
Sorry I'm late. Is it shit-on-FANG part of the day already?
The easy fix to King Cobras design is to make him really tall (they did have Kareem Abdul in mind at the time). This further visually differentiates him from the shotos and with a completely different fighting style he would feel different enough. I would then implement him as a rival to Ryu/Ken/Sagat and Fei Long. Pit him against those guys and you legitimise him. He would be such a great addition.
I still main Kolin, seeing her walk away during her win pose is still worth the extra effort you need to put in for the win!
UcchedavÄda
Member
What do you have against hitboxes?
Also, on an completely unrelated note, you can have my hitbox when you pry it from my cold, dead, button-mashing hands.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
Before you get too discouraged, keep in mind that there's a lag time between practice and improvement. The kinds of muscle memory and knowledge you're building in SF are the kinds of things that you practice some everyday and then a few days later you suddenly feel like you've got it. Your brain is doing work while you aren't playing.
As far as losing online, it's not fun to hear, but until you can control your character with close to 100% accuracy, chances are that you'll be thinking to much and too slowly about what you're doing to also process and react to what your opponent is doing.
I recommend spending a lot more time fighting the CPU so you can work on executing some basics against a moving target. Even survival mode can help with this. You can practice defence in training mode by turning up the CPU difficulty a little to make them more active.
Once controlling your own character becomes internalized your mind will be free to focus more on what your opponent is doing, and this is when you should start practicing via online matches. I say practice, because you're still going to lose a ton while you learn about how all the other characters play. There really isn't any shortcut for gaining knowledge about each matchup (i.e., what do people playing this character commonly try to do? when are they most vulnerable to attacks that you can reliably execute?)
You can look at frame data to supplement this process and to answer specific questions you might have, but without a lot of experience actually playing under your belt, trying to alter your actions based on frame data knowledge will probably be a hindrance. I'm a big proponent of first learning to playing by feel.
The most important thing is to just keep at it and trust that improvements will come, and if you're not having fun at all, take a break.
Marvel
could never
Yup, not sure why the hell Mike and Goo are still using Hitbox when it is clear every episode they are many times better on stick? dropping shit constantly, shit they could and did do on stick routinely.
I don't get it like at all.
Nothing against hitboxes but it's been clear for many months now they aren't used to the thing. I think to myself that they are only playing long sessions of V when the show gets recorded tbh. Which would account for the rust we keep seeing.
I don't get it like at all.
Nothing against hitboxes but it's been clear for many months now they aren't used to the thing. I think to myself that they are only playing long sessions of V when the show gets recorded tbh. Which would account for the rust we keep seeing.
UcchedavÄda
Member
Good post!
Playing against the CPU was a great help when I first started out, going from having never really played fighting games to wanting to be an online warrior. It has also been my go-to when trying out a new character for the first time, after playing around with them in the training room.
On top of the above, I would also strongly recommend trying to find other people who are just starting out and friending them on your platform of choice. Having somebody that you can play long sets with without getting completely demolished, whom you can talk with while doing so, goes a long way towards internalizing the game and keeping motivated. However, I would also recommend finding and friending people stronger than you to practice with, as it will greatly accelerate your learning process.