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Student dies after school refuses to let him carry a second inhaler

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LuchaShaq

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Hope everyone involved in the decision making feels crushing guilt for the rest of their lives for this.

Sadly it is probably a bunch of bureaucratic cunts who give zero fucks outside of whatever money the school is going to lose.
 
They don't need to for it to be intentional. They intentionally harmed him as a result of choices they made.

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GQman2121

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You should feel bad for your shit opinion and thinking that a kid should be dead because of "natural selection."

The family should also sue the shit out of the piece of shit school and the principle should go to jail for allowing a child to die.

I don't think anyone should go to jail. But the policy should be amended so that this kid didn't end up dying in vain. It should be named after him too. Also, the family should be paid out the ass.
 

FStop7

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This is a good point, and I would feel sympathy for the family in this case. I came off really callous, as the kid probably wouldn't have died if he'd had the inhaler. That is tragic, and tragedy shouldn't be necessary to create reasonable policies.

Joey's only sane words were his last.
 

BGBW

Maturity, bitches.
If they're not going to allow him to keep it on his person surely a box in the classroom and maybe even one in a first aid box during play time would be far more logical so it's always nearby.

And why did he have to go get it. Surely someone should have been attending to him while another ran off to get it for him.

I'd pull all the kids out of this school. They're not going to learn anything from this institution of idiots.
 
Absolutely. By withholding his inhaler they intentionally harmed him.

They didn't know this was going to happen, hence negligence at best.

At best. No one is going to be charged and no one should be charged because it'd be impossible to single out any one person as culpable.


Right. Hopefully the school district changes it policy and the parents het something for the loss of their child due to really poor policy.
 

x-Lundz-x

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What was the rationale? I don't get it.

I imagine keeping kids from finding ways to do drugs, only one I can think of. You can't let one person keep it on hand and not enforce if for others so it's an all or nothing policy I imagine. Still so messed up.
 

Mesoian

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At best. No one is going to be charged and no one should be charged because it'd be impossible to single out any one person as culpable.

If they wanted to make a point, which I doubt they do, the principle is probably the one liable since, while it may not have been his rule to make, it was his rule to enforce.

But yeah, the family will probably get a MASSIVE payout, and we'll never hear about this again. I doubt the school will even change it's policy.
 
If they wanted to make a point, which I doubt they do, the principle is probably the one liable since, while it may not have been his rule to make, it was his rule to enforce.

But yeah, the family will probably get a MASSIVE payout, and we'll never hear about this again. I doubt the school will even change it's policy.

At that point its not justice, but revenge. Trying to find and punish someone, anyone. The second point is the most likely scenario where there's some sort of wrongful death suit filed.
 
I imagine keeping kids from finding ways to do drugs, only one I can think of. You can't let one person keep it on hand and not enforce if for others so it's an all or nothing policy I imagine. Still so messed up.
It's easy to only allow kids with asthma to have inhalers. There is no such thing as a gotcha where every kid in the school could now have an inhaler if they wanted to

Whatever might happen with inhalers, keeping that under control is not an at all costs policy. There is no grave threat that justifies endangering asthma sufferers for the sake of keeping a hypothetical inhaler out of the hypothetical wrong hands.
 
Weird that the principal had it locked up, you would think the nurse would have it. In elementary schools (the ones I know anyway) teachers usually have them in their desks and stuff like Epi-pens, staff that deal with kids who would need them are trained to use them. After like 5th grade and on kids usually carry their inhalers.
 

RPGCrazied

Member
What morons. Kid has asthma. I'm sure has doctor notes to have these inhalers. I have mild asthma myself, its not fun to have an attack. He should have been allowed to use and carry whatever he needed.
 
I'm sadly not surprised by this based on the rules my school had. I always had my inhaler at the nurse's office over the years and was finally told my last couple years that I could get a note from the doctor to carry my inhaler in my pocket. Prevented having to miss class and such. It was almost like a hidden thing you could do only if you asked. Most didn't know. Not a single teacher ever questioned it once I started carrying it though.
 

Valhelm

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This is just natural selection at work.

Fuck you, that's incredibly insensitive. Natural selection is in no way applicable to modern human society, and saying shit like that totally goes against basic notions of compassion and humanitarianism.
 
What morons. Kid has asthma. I'm sure has doctor notes to have these inhalers. I have mild asthma myself, its not fun to have an attack. He should have been allowed to use and carry whatever he needed.
The school board are not doctors. The principal isn't a doctor. I don't see how, legally, these unqualified entities have the right to dictate the medical needs of a student. I don't see how what they did wasn't illegal before anything bad happened.
 

Rockandrollclown

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Yeah, but an inhaler isn't there for fun. It's not aspirin. I mean really wtf were they thinking. Strike that, they weren't thinking at all. Call it murder. Put the one responsible in prison. And go up the whole chain.

Again, zero tolerance policies exist to remove all thought from the equation. I can't speak for Canada, but in America this is the same shit where you see someone get suspended/expelled for eating his pop tart into the shape of a gun or students expelled for defending themselves. This isn't an issue with the school, assuming they are like America, this is an issue with federal zero tolerance policies that have taken over every aspect of school. Common sense tells you an asthmatic should have an inhaler on his or her person at all times, unfortunately common sense and zero tolerance policies are often at odds with each other.
 

Petrie

Banned
That's ridiculous. If you don't like government policy, try to get it changed and pull your kid out of school. Don't sue after the fact or expect someone doing their job to go down for murder.

This is just natural selection at work. I feel horrible for the dead kid, and not anyone else.

Shocked he was banned here. He isn't wrong about this being natural selection, as crass and unfeeling as it may be. I'm a type 1 diabetic myself and natural selection clearly wants to ween me out of the gene pool, and only through artificial means am I able to survive. This is the same for this situation.

It's sad and unfortunate, but it is also natural selection at work by survival of the fittest, is it not?

My insulin had to be kept in the nurses office. I always found that a bit absurd.
 

injurai

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I really truly believe that most people involved in school administration become psychological compromised in their role of power. It's such an odd thing to watch.
 

Hari Seldon

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Wow do they do this in the US? I have never heard of a school locking away someone's inhaler before. It is kind of completely asinine that a non doctor makes a medical decision. This is Bureaucracy at its absolutely most evil.
 
Shocked he was banned here. He isn't wrong about this being natural selection, as crass and unfeeling as it may be. I'm a type 1 diabetic myself and natural selection clearly wants to ween me out of the gene pool, and only through artificial means am I able to survive. This is the same for this situation.

It's sad and unfortunate, but it is also natural selection at work by survival of the fittest, is it not?

My insulin had to be kept in the nurses office. I always found that a bit absurd.

Yeah, I don't understand it either. I guess you can't be that uncaring on neogaf. I better shape up.
 

Not Spaceghost

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Wow do they do this in the US? I have never heard of a school locking away someone's inhaler before. It is kind of completely asinine that a non doctor makes a medical decision. This is Bureaucracy at its absolutely most evil.

Nope, kids in the US are allowed to puff on their inhalers all they need. I do remember that if you're going to take prescription or over the counter pills you must do it in front of the school nurse, but inhalers can be used indiscriminately.

I used to carry mine in my pocket.
 

Petrie

Banned
Yeah, I don't understand it either. I guess you can't be that uncaring on neogaf. I better shape up.

Yeah. stuff like that bothers me. Nobody should be punished for approaching things from a logical standpoint vs. an emotional one.

It's very unfortunate this was allowed to happen regardless.
 

Five

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Shocked he was banned here. He isn't wrong about this being natural selection, as crass and unfeeling as it may be. I'm a type 1 diabetic myself and natural selection clearly wants to ween me out of the gene pool, and only through artificial means am I able to survive. This is the same for this situation.

It's sad and unfortunate, but it is also natural selection at work by survival of the fittest, is it not?

My insulin had to be kept in the nurses office. I always found that a bit absurd.

Natural selection gave us brains that gave us civilization that gave us science and other means of circumventing disease, early death and other such hardships. Just because it's no longer limited to our bodies doesn't mean it's not a part of the same process.
 

Petrie

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Natural selection gave us brains that gave us civilization that gave us science and other means of circumventing disease, early death and other such hardships. Just because it's no longer limited to our bodies doesn't mean it's not a part of the same process.

But other people creating those things allowing him to survive flies in the face of natural selection. Natural selection was part of what happened here. That's all.
 
Yeah. stuff like that bothers me. Nobody should be punished for approaching things from a logical standpoint vs. an emotional one.

It's very unfortunate this was allowed to happen regardless.

The problem is, it doesn't contribute to the conversation at hand, we could start saying the same in any topic with a death caused by any decease you were born with and that won't get us anywhere, it's just inflammatory.
A kid whose death could have been avoided died, he might have grown to find the cure for cancer, who knows? when the only thing you have to say about it is "natural selection" or "survival of the fittest" then think for a moment if that's contributing to the conversation in any possible way.
 
Never ceases to amaze me the amount of people that cry sue or negligence yet are amongst peers who push for this kind of necessity in the first place.

Yes, this sucks. However the kid is 12, has had asthma presumably his whole life and understands how it works and had more than enough time to get help from his friends or staff on duty. The shear amount of red tape surrounding the ability to dispense medication at a school is staggering already, this isn't going to help make things better.
 

kirblar

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I wonder if School Administrators go into that line of work because it's less dangerous than prison management.
 
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