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Student mistakenly Submits CD With Child Porn To His Professor

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itsinmyveins

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East Clintwood said:
The question to ask yourself is this: Would you be able to give up on your sexuality because it turns out that it's illegal? I bet most people wouldn't but they are the first to scream for a hanging of a pedophile.

I pretty much agree. I assume that most pedophiles aren't molestors and probably feel bad about it, but manages to keep it "contained". Then, there of course are cases where they can't.

But I have no idea whatsoever about how the whole thing should be handled, its pretty complicated.
 

Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
East Clintwood said:
The question to ask yourself is this: Would you be able to give up on your sexuality because it turns out that it's illegal? I bet most people wouldn't but they are the first to scream for a hanging of a pedophile.

The problem with it, is while looking a pictures does not directly hurt anyone, it does indirectly. Those pictures had to be obtained somehow. Typically, it escalates into something more. Where one day the pedophile is just looking at pictures, another he is looking for a chance to act on on his fantasies.

I don't think we really know what causes it, and I think I heard somewhere psychology does not seem to help.

Hopefully advances in science will help to explain more.
 

itsinmyveins

Gets to pilot the crappy patrol labors
Suikoguy said:
The problem with it, is while looking a pictures does not directly hurt anyone, it does indirectly. Those pictures had to be obtained somehow. Typically, it escalates into something more. Where one day the pedophile is just looking at pictures, another he is looking for a chance to act on on his fantasies.

I don't think we really know what causes it, and I think I heard somewhere psychology does not seem to help.

Hopefully advances in science will help to explain more.

And my follow-up question to that of course is - how many pedophiles search and look for kiddy-porn? Are there any statistics? How mane are "latent", just have the urge but doesn't do anything about it? They might feel attracted to young people, but who still live "normal" in every other sense of the word?
 
ItsInMyVeins said:
But I have no idea whatsoever about how the whole thing should be handled, its pretty complicated.

I want people to admit that's a dilemma so I know they understand the basic issue and are not just some stupid redneck lynchers.

Thing is, you can't "help" these people the same way you can't help a homosexual to become heterosexual.
 

itsinmyveins

Gets to pilot the crappy patrol labors
East Clintwood said:
I want people to admit that's a dilemma so I know they understand the basic issue and are not just some stupid redneck lynchers.

Thing is, you can't "help" these people the same way you can't help a homosexual to become heterosexual.

Or make a heterosexual become homosexual.

Pretty much my point, too. I don't believe every pedophile is out to molest people either, and I'm pretty sure there are quite a few who are attracted to younger people but who won't act on it. Remember, they are attracted to young people, not to molesting young people, even though that might be the outcome when it goes to far.

Without a proper discussion about it the whole issue just keeps being pushed away, which obviously won't help anyone.

EDIT: Personally, I kinda feel bad for pedophiles. When they commit crime or spread pictures and suchs I'm disgusted, of course. But still, it can't be easy being like that, feeling they way they do knowing how wrong it is. If I had that kind of attraction/sexuality it would probably drive me insane with guilt just having those thoughts.
 

Dice

Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
Why? Did I go to 12chan? I thought they were silly meme-creating messageboards not sicko messageboards. How is it still running? Somewhere it says my IP went there, I don't like that. :(
 

itsinmyveins

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Dice said:
Why? Did I go to 12chan? I thought they were silly meme-creating messageboards not sicko messageboards. How is it still running? Somewhere it says my IP went there, I don't like that. :(

What's 12chan? A pedophile-site or something? And what the hell is a "meme"? I assume it's got something to do with anime? Just tell me, cause I don't dare go there :/
 

Dice

Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
ItsInMyVeins said:
What's 12chan? A pedophile-site or something? And what the hell is a "meme"? I assume it's got something to do with anime? Just tell me, cause I don't dare go there :/
More of an everything site, I guess. A lot of picture-posting, and some stuff on there is not good. I guess they say they try to remove and ban/report people who post illegal things.
 

Kak.efes

Member
Sympathy for convicted pedophiles? :lol :lol :lol Get the **** out of here.

In the correctional system, particular close attention is paid to convicted pedophiles and child sex offenders considering the risk they pose to society if not properly treated. I don't think you people realize how much money, time, and effort is spent on trying to treat these people. The onus however isn't completely on the system to remedy them (as many of you here seem to dismiss the persons faults and crimes without question- that is ****ing madenning, do you guys live in the real world?) they'll have to show signs that they want to improve their condition, many offenders simply don't give a shit. I worked in a court for well over a year, it was so easy to tell who wanted help, and who didn't.

Don't downplay the systems ability, and desire to help.
 

itsinmyveins

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Kak.efes:

If you're refering to me I'm talking about non-convicts. EDIT: And of course I'm refering to people who want to be helped.
 

Kak.efes

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It's in reference to the general feeling that the correctional system isn't capable of treating these people. That's the vibe I've been getting from this thread- and it's quite repulsive to be honest.
 

itsinmyveins

Gets to pilot the crappy patrol labors
Kak.efes said:
It's in reference to the general feeling that the correctional system isn't capable of treating these people. That's the vibe I've been getting from this thread- and it's quite repulsive to be honest.

A question though, what is the treatment and how does it work? Can you "cure" pedophilia? What me, and East Clintwood (I believe), were going for has nothing to do with the correctional system itself, but how to approach the whole issue of pedophilia.
 
ItsInMyVeins said:
And what the hell is a "meme"?


I'm guessing they use it, in a loose sense, in reference to the sharing of thoughts and information transfered through lifetimes. That's how I use it, like survival instincts or how animals know to bury food, it's something that gets shared and is known without explanation (GCSE level I'm remembering from.)

Edit: no that's wrong

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme

"a unit of cultural information transferable from one mind to another."


What am I thinking of, information that is just known when you are born?
 

itsinmyveins

Gets to pilot the crappy patrol labors
lessthanthree said:
Didn't read the whole thread, but just skimming through I kinda got that impression from a couple people.

Where? I pretty much skimmed through it too, but I'd like to see what the hell their "defense" was, cause it can't be very solid.
 

Costanza

Banned
ItsInMyVeins said:
Where? I pretty much skimmed through it too, but I'd like to see what the hell their "defense" was, cause it can't be very solid.
Schwowsers and East Clintwood, although after fully reading their posts they're not as bad as I originally thought.
 

itsinmyveins

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lessthanthree said:
Schwowsers and East Clintwood, although after fully reading their posts they're not as bad as I originally thought.

Well, no, they're not defending it at all, and seriously, you gotta be pretty dense or skimming real good it to manage to twist what they're saying into that. :)

And I'm pretty sure that any psychologist or expert in that area etc would agree with them.
 

Dice

Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
ItsInMyVeins said:
And I'm pretty sure that any psychologist or expert in that area etc would agree with them.
Yeah, I took psychology and I know the difference between sickness and damage/injustice. The former should be treated to prevent the latter, and if the latter occurs it should be met with justice via the law. Like anything wrong, you will have some who fight their inclinations and some who don't care.
 
Kak.efes said:
Sympathy for convicted pedophiles? :lol :lol :lol Get the **** out of here.

In the correctional system, particular close attention is paid to convicted pedophiles and child sex offenders considering the risk they pose to society if not properly treated. I don't think you people realize how much money, time, and effort is spent on trying to treat these people.

Redneck Lynch Mob: Get out of here. You can't "treat" these people. At all. Suppress? Yes, but one could argue that this makes things worse. Look at the "healed" homosexuals.
 

Dr.Guru of Peru

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SanjuroTsubaki said:
Bingo. I hear what your saying but if the CD was someone elses in no way shape or form would you make an attempt at retriving the disc, you would just go into defense mode.
What? Assuming he is innocent, I don't think he would have known the disc contained child porn. If I handed in a friends music disc in by accident, I would probably make an attempt to retreive it too.
 

Meier

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Borci88 said:
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Oh snap, that's horrible.. but hilarious. :lol
 
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I've heard one theory that people that browse porn a lot start getting bored and pushing the boundaries of porn.

Don't know how credible that is though.
 

Karmacide

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How does one even download this stuff anymore? You'd think with all ways to track people on the internet nowadays everyone would be scared to even have it on their computer.
 

MoxManiac

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Verboten said:
I think that if the FBI or CIA whatever wants you in prison but they don't have enough evidence for anything else, they just plant kiddie porn on your machine and get you that way. That's what they do with some politicians!

Dude, that's not funny. That's ****ing scary.
 

levious

That throwing stick stunt of yours has boomeranged on us.
there's no subtle digs at homosexuality in this thread right? I'm sure I'm totally misreading it.
 
Many pedos are serial offenders. They are mentally ill.

Sexuality is fine if its consentual. A child does not have the capability to knowingly consent, which is why its illegal.
 
I'm glad the discussion has gone the way it has. Although I don't think many studies have been done on this, I think it's very likely that pedophilia is as 'natural' as homosexuality, or heterosexuality. That doesn't mean that the act itself isn't wrong, of course. Forcing anyone to do stuff of a sexual nature against their will is a horrible thing to do, and I tend to agree with the general sentiment that doing it to pre-pubescent children is even worse.

So yes, being a pedophile must be really awful, especially if you're exclusively a pedophile, i.e. children are the only ones who turn you on. I don't think it's a valid excuse for child abuse, no more than having had a violent childhood should be a valid excuse for being violent yourself later on in your life. Both urges must be really hard to resist (the former more than the latter), but 'hard' doesn't mean 'impossible'.

That said, what does this have to do with the mere possession of child porn? Screwing a kid is bad. Producing child porn is bad. Being aware that someone is producing child porn and not denouncing that person to the authorities is bad.

But I don't see why some random guy jacking off to pictures of a naked 10-year-old girl spreading her legs is considered a crime. Yes, I find it repulsive, but so what? The fact remains that it doesn't hurt anyone. That was the only point I was trying to make with my question, "Do you guys send people to jail for having butt sex too?". Not so long ago anal sex was considered repulsive and immoral, and people would actually get arrested for it. The rationale used to get rid of anti-sodomy laws was that no matter how icky it seems, it doesn't hurt anyone, doesn't impinge on anyone's rights or freedoms. How is possessing child porn any different?


I can see two objections to my point of view. First, that what is immoral here is the act of 'supporting' child pornographers and child molesters by owning the stuff.
It seems to me that such 'support' is entirely immaterial, and therefore completely irrelevant. What actual consequences does it have that a pedophile has a few hundred child porn pictures saved on his hard drive? None whatsoever. The only ones that are likely to be convinced by this argument are hard-core moral absolutists.

In addition, it could be argued that there is a real-world consequence: the child porn producers get money out of it. In that sense, I agree that it could be considered slightly more immoral than buying a product you know has been crafted by virtual slaves in a third-world country. But of course, I'm fairly certain that just as most people don't pay for their 'regular' porn, pedophiles don't pay for their child porn.

Second, some people probably think that it's the spreading of child porn that must be prevented (as opposed to production). This opinion is based on the assumption that child porn promotes pedophilia, which is nonsense, as pedophilia is probably mostly genetic in origin.
Or it could be based on another, more likely assumption that child porn encourages the actual act of molesting a child. This is the only argument for the existence of laws against the possession of child porn that may be worth something, in my opinion. However, as far as I know, there's no evidence that this is the case. I think it's far more likely that the effect is the exact opposite. After all, child porn (whether real or not) is the only way for a moral, 'non-practicing' pedophile to get off. Isn't it possible that child pornography actually prevents the molesting of children?

If anyone can provide a study done by reputable scientists that addresses this question, I would very much like to see it.

By the way, here's a related question for you guys: Are there laws against the possession of pornography depicting the real rape of an adult? Would you say that owning this kind of stuff is immoral too?
 
PhlegmMaster said:
I'm glad the discussion has gone the way it has.

I see the whole issue as unsolvable. It's a dilemma. You can't help these people and punishing them for something they have no control over isn't a good solution either.

Maybe with advanced genetics we can prevent them from being born. Or if some kind of virtual reality sex device comes up with artificial partners they can use that.
 
East Clintwood said:
I see the whole issue as unsolvable. It's a dilemma. You can't help these people and punishing them for something they have no control over isn't a good solution either.

Well, as I said, I disagree with this. They have no control over their sexual orientation, but they do have control over their actions.

Maybe with advanced genetics we can prevent them from being born. Or if some kind of virtual reality sex device comes up with artificial partners they can use that.

Yes, the first solution would be ideal.
 

Raven.

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Verboten said:
I think that if the FBI or CIA whatever wants you in prison but they don't have enough evidence for anything else, they just plant kiddie porn on your machine and get you that way. That's what they do with some politicians!
If such only occured when it came to politicians, but savvy hackers probably use this to easily get rid of most anyone they dislike, planting such evidence, and even making it look like it was all the person's doing*(probably even going and giving an anonymous tip... ).

It's just too much power these hackers have, with botnets, de-Hdd-erasers, and their loot skills they can gain ridiculous amounts of money with little chance of being caught(expert lvl class not newbies.). With a little savvy they can bend the law, or even manipulate the law at will so that it does their bidding and anyone they want is arrested and marked for life... like the detective that's behind their trail, or that politician they hate so much, oops time to go to jail Mr... and prepare for divorce, if married, your family life, your social life, all your friends gone, oh I guess you should also, as if the stigma's not enough for you, prepare for @ss rape and murder/suicide in prison.

As for me, seeing as I'm in favor of naturism, it really saddens me that such families could be tied together with these sick people and affected by their actions. Naturist families with kids, probably take precautions and exclude all of their children from their family photos/vids. Though they probably have it weird, being able to take photos of their kids at a few months of age to 1~yrs, like most everybody, and then again when they reach whatever age their state deems appropriate. What'd be sad would be for some of these families, if they come from a foreign country with less strict laws, to be arrested and sent to jail for simply being who they are.
 
PhlegmMaster said:
Well, as I said, I disagree with this. They have no control over their sexual orientation, but they do have control over their actions.

I see this as kind of a mood point. I mean it's easy to say to abstain from your sexuality if you're not the one who has to abide. Just imagine whatever you're into (and this goes to all the posters here) is declared immoral/illegal all of a sudden. You think you could so easily give up what of the most important aspects of human life? No.
 
PhlegmMaster said:
After all, child porn (whether real or not) is the only way for a moral, 'non-practicing' pedophile to get off. Isn't it possible that child pornography actually prevents the molesting of children?
Whether you're perma-banned for this or just tagged, stop making these disgusting arguments. There's this thing called your "imagination" that anyone, sick freak or not, can use to fantasize. They don't need pictures, real or simulated. While I think that "faked" child porn is covered under the 1st Amendment, real child porn is evidence of a crime, and features someone's son, daughter, sister, brother. There is no justification for making it, disseminating it, or possessing it.
 
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