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Student responds to the "do you sodomize your wife?" question outroar

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Fellow Classmates,

As the student who asked Justice Scalia about his sexual conduct, I am responding to your posts to explain why I believe I had a right to confront Justice Scalia in the manner I did Tuesday, why any gay or sympathetic person has that same right. It should be clear that I intended to be offensive, obnoxious, and inflammatory. There is a time to discuss and there are times when acts and opposition are necessary. Debate is useless when one participant denies the full dignity of the other. How am I to docilely engage a man who sarcastically rants about the "beauty of homosexual relationships" (at the Q&A) and believes that gay school teachers will try to convert children to a homosexual lifestyle (at oral argument for Lawrence)?

Although I my question was legally relevant, as I explain below, an independent motivation for my speech-act was to simply subject a homophobic government official to the same indignity to which he would subject millions of gay Americans. It was partially a naked act of resistance and a refusal to be silenced. I wanted to make him and everyone in the room aware of the dehumanizing effect of trivializing such an important relationship. Justice Scalia has no pity for the millions of gay Americans on whom sodomy laws and official homophobia have such an effect, so it is difficult to sympathize with his brief moment of "humiliation," as some have called it. The fact that I am a law student and Scalia is a Supreme Court Justice does not require me to circumscribe my justified opposition and outrage within the bounds of jurisprudential discourse.

Law school and the law profession do not negate my identity as a member of an oppressed minority confronting injustice. Even so, I did have a legal point: Justice Kennedy's majority opinion in Lawrence asked whether criminalizing homosexual conduct advanced a state interest "which could justify the intrusion into the personal and private life of the individual." Scalia did not answer this question in his dissent because he believed the state need only assert a legitimate interest to defeat non-fundamental liberties. I basically asked him this question again - it is now the law of the land. He said he did not know whether the interest was significant enough. I then asked him if he sodomizes his wife to subject his intimate relations to the scrutiny he cavalierly would allow others - by force, if necessary. Everyone knew at that moment how significant the interest is. Beyond exerting official power against homosexuals, Scalia is an outspoken and high-profile homophobe. After the aforementioned sarcastic remarks about gay people's relationships, can anyone doubt how little respect he has for LGBT Americans? Even if no case touching gay rights ever came before him, his comments from the bench (that employment non-discrimination is some kind of "homosexual agenda," etc.) and within our very walls are unacceptable to any self-respecting gay person or principled opponent of discrimination. The idea that I should have treated a man with such repugnant views with deference because he is a high government official evinces either a dangerously un-American acceptance of authority or insensitivity to the gay community's grievances. Friends have forwarded me emails complaining of the "liberal" student who asked "the question." That some of my classmates are shallow and insensitive enough to conceptualize my complaint as mere partisan politics is disheartening. Though I should not have to, I will share with everyone that I am neither a Democrat nor Republican and do not consider myself a "liberal" except in the classical sense. I hope that we can separate a simple demand for equality under the law and outrage over being denied it from so much dogmatic ideological baggage. LGBT Americans are still a persecuted minority and our struggle for equal rights is still vital. 4 out of 5 LGBT kids are harassed in school - tell them to debate their harassers. Suicide rates for them are much higher than for others. We still cannot serve in the military, have little protection from employment and other forms of discrimination, and are denied the 1000+ benefits that accrue from official recognition of marriage. I know some who support gay rights oppose my question and our protest. Do not presume to tell me when and with how much urgency to stand up for our rights.

I am 17 months out of a lifelong closet and have lost too much time to heterosexist hegemony to tolerate those who say, as Dr. King put it, "just wait." If you cannot stomach a breach of decorum when justified outrage erupts then your support is nearly worthless anyway. At least do not allow yourselves to become complicit in discrimination by demanding obedience from its victims. Many of our classmates chose NYU over higher-ranked schools because of our reputation as a "private university in the public service" and our commitment to certain values. We were the first law school to require that employers pledge not to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation. Of Scalia's law schools that have "signed on to the homosexual agenda," our signature stands out like John Hancock's. We won a federal injunction in the FAIR litigation as an "expressive association" that counts acceptance of sexual orientation as a core value. Those who worry about our school's prestige should remember how we got here and consider whether flattering those who mock what we believe and are otherwise willing to fight for appears prestigious or pathetic. We protestors did not embarrass NYU, Scalia embarrassed NYU. We stood up to a bigot for the values that make NYU more than a great place to learn the law. I repeat my willingess to discuss this issue calmly with anyone who respects my identity as a gay man. I have had many productive talks with classmates since Tuesday and Ihope that will continue.

Respectfully,
Eric Berndt
rawr

http://americablog.blogspot.com/2005/04/scalias-sodomy-questioner-responds.html
 
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Jim Bowie said:
I'm sorry, what was the exact question and Scalia's response?

he said "do you sodomize your wife"

and that justice guy said "only on her birthday"
 
right around the middle paragraph, where the lawyer speak comes into play - "Scalia did not answer this question in his dissent because he believed the state need only assert a legitimate interest to defeat non-fundamental liberties." - I glazed over. Could someone translate this paragraph into normal words? thanks.
 
bune duggy said:
right around the middle paragraph, where the lawyer speak comes into play - "Scalia did not answer this question in his dissent because he believed the state need only assert a legitimate interest to defeat non-fundamental liberties." - I glazed over. Could someone translate this paragraph into normal words? thanks.

Translation: homophobe.
 

tetsuoxb

Member
I like how he signs the letter respectfully. Oh the irony.

I lost interest when he started talking about the heterosexist hegemony.

For those who want the abridge version...

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I am gay and oppressed.

Scalia doesnt like gay people. His legal opinions state this. The law does not coincide with his opinions. It gave me the right to act like an ass and further damage my cause.

Fight the power.

Respectfully,
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The two important ideas I have taken out of the whole mess:

1) Calling out a Supreme Court Justice with the idea to patently offend is ridiculous. How did this dude further his cause at all? We all knew Scalia did not like gay rights before. We all knew his opinions. He is on the stand for life, and calling him out does little if anything to diminish his power. The only potentially effective method would be to try to create understanding, but this student only gave Scalia more reason to hate gay rights. Way to go buddy, you have proven what everyone already knew and owned yourself.

2) This guy probably knew this before he opened his mouth, but is being embraced by the gay community for his stand. A stand that accomplished nothing. Non-violent resistence applies to words too, but apparently the gay community has not quite figured this out. Imagine if MLK Jr. had asked George Wallace if "a house n****r does your laundry" or some similarly offensive to a bigot in his call for civil rights. Would not have done him much good, and he could have actually damaged the power of an ELECTED official.
 

Pimpwerx

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tetsuoxb said:
I like how he signs the letter respectfully. Oh the irony.

I lost interest when he started talking about the heterosexist hegemony.

For those who want the abridge version...

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I am gay and oppressed.

Scalia doesnt like gay people. His legal opinions state this. The law does not coincide with his opinions. It gave me the right to act like an ass and further damage my cause.

Fight the power.

Respectfully,
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The two important ideas I have taken out of the whole mess:

1) Calling out a Supreme Court Justice with the idea to patently offend is ridiculous. How did this dude further his cause at all? We all knew Scalia did not like gay rights before. We all knew his opinions. He is on the stand for life, and calling him out does little if anything to diminish his power. The only potentially effective method would be to try to create understanding, but this student only gave Scalia more reason to hate gay rights. Way to go buddy, you have proven what everyone already knew and owned yourself.

2) This guy probably knew this before he opened his mouth, but is being embraced by the gay community for his stand. A stand that accomplished nothing. Non-violent resistence applies to words too, but apparently the gay community has not quite figured this out. Imagine if MLK Jr. had asked George Wallace if "a house n****r does your laundry" or some similarly offensive to a bigot in his call for civil rights. Would not have done him much good, and he could have actually damaged the power of an ELECTED official.

What exactly would have staying quiet have accomplished? This may have been an "embarassing" question, but it was a legit one. Sodomy is supposedly defined to include oral sex between a man and a woman. What exactly is Scalia's stance on this? Notice he didn't answer the question. At least his hypocrisy is clear for people to see. PEACE.
 

tetsuoxb

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You don't get the point. It does not matter if Scalia is a hypocrit. He can be a hypocrit and still be a supreme court justice. Pissing him off does absolutely zero to further your cause. You might as well bang your head against a wall in a physical symbol of your oppression because it would serve about the same purpose - Exposing other people to your cause and the hypocrisy of Scalia.

Well, this sounds great, until you realize that no matter how many people you get to say they agree with you, Scalia is STILL on the SCOUSA. Lifetime appointment insulates him from the whims and struggles of the day, and allows him to carry on his ideology no matter what the world thinks.

So you can look at it two ways - that this guy did not do it to show the light to Scalia (but his letter kind of implies otherwise with some self-effacing/sarcastic references to whether or not Scalia took up the banner of gay rights) but did it to draw more attention to the gay rights struggle. This of course, would be good for pressuring politicians, but not a Justice of the SCOUSA. Since SCOUSA will ultimately decide the gay rights issue, kissing up is a better idea than calling people out.

OR

He did it to convince Scalia of his own hypocrisy. This is what I think he was trying to do. If true, he owned himself for the reasons in my first post.
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The Gay Rights movement would be a great deal better off if they would take the time to endear themselves to those who hate them, instead of adding more fuel to the fire. Instead people in the movement do this like this, and then wonder how constitutional gay marriage amendments get passed. Take a page from MLK and Ghandi. Non-violence and kill them with kindness. Expose your humanity and the lack of difference between gay and straight. Do not waste time fanning the flames by taking the piss out of someone who can stop your cause dead in its tracks, might become chief justice, and is appointed for life.
 

maharg

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What he said could be considered an attempt to create understanding, in that his question is the very same that Scalia feels he has the right to ask of gays. If it's right for the state to demand knowledge of gay sexual acts, is it not right that they also intervene on straight sexual acts that are considered immoral by the religious right?

Essentially, if Scalia can ask that man "Do you sodomize your boyfriend," then that man also has a right to ask Scalia if he sodomizes his wife.

Anyway, "the movement" can't be blamed for the acts of every gay person everywhere, any more than MLK can be blamed for the Black Panthers. In terms of violence, I think this ranks somewhere towards the bottom anyways.
 
tetsuoxb said:
I like how he signs the letter respectfully. Oh the irony.
The letter itself seems respectable.
I lost interest when he started talking about the heterosexist hegemony.
why?

1) Calling out a Supreme Court Justice with the idea to patently offend is ridiculous. How did this dude further his cause at all? We all knew Scalia did not like gay rights before. We all knew his opinions. He is on the stand for life, and calling him out does little if anything to diminish his power. The only potentially effective method would be to try to create understanding, but this student only gave Scalia more reason to hate gay rights. Way to go buddy, you have proven what everyone already knew and owned yourself.
Scalia is an incorrigable conservative. The other supreme court members have shown that they are willing to less anti-gay. Lets face it: The left doesn't even bother with Scalia and the right holds Scalia as their ideal justice.
2) This guy probably knew this before he opened his mouth, but is being embraced by the gay community for his stand. A stand that accomplished nothing.
We can appreciate him for the boldness of doing that in public. Courage still makes heros, you know.
Non-violent resistence applies to words too, but apparently the gay community has not quite figured this out.
Some people choose different routes of getting their way. Show me where the mainstream gay rights organizations use "violent" words.

He did it to convince Scalia of his own hypocrisy. This is what I think he was trying to do. If true, he owned himself for the reasons in my first post.
I didn't quite catch it. Where is it?

The Gay Rights movement would be a great deal better off if they would take the time to endear themselves to those who hate them, instead of adding more fuel to the fire.
I remember reading articles on how if a person knows a gay person, they are more likely to view homosexuals in a less negative manner. Obviously something is working.
Instead people in the movement do this like this, and then wonder how constitutional gay marriage amendments get passed. Take a page from MLK and Ghandi[sic]. Non-violence and kill them with kindness. Expose your humanity and the lack of difference between gay and straight. Do not waste time fanning the flames by taking the piss out of someone who can stop your cause dead in its tracks, might become chief justice, and is appointed for life.
Uh most of the major gay rights organizations are rather accomodating to conservative politicians. For example, the Human Rights Campaign endorsed and gave money to D'Amato. Why use the example of one guy (who I like) to show what the heavyweights are doing?
 

tetsuoxb

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Hammy said:
The letter itself seems respectable.

But the letter writer wasnt respectful to Scalia. It just seems ironic.


For the same reason that accusing Jada Smith of being heteronormative is bad. If the goal is to be equal, why make a point of how the majority is different. The majority of the world is heterosexual. If society perceives things in that manner, it is not heterosexist. Nor is it a heterosexist hegemony. That kind of diatribal drivel is devisive and pointless.

Scalia is an incorrigable conservative. The other supreme court members have shown that they are willing to less anti-gay. Lets face it: The left doesn't even bother with Scalia and the right holds Scalia as their ideal justice.

Well, if he becomes Chief Justice, then you better start bothering with him. When there are only seven justices on the bench, you can't "not bother" with one, especially in a 5-4 split. So taking the piss out of him was retarded.

We can appreciate him for the boldness of doing that in public. Courage still makes heros, you know.

Doing something that is more likely to hurt your cause by pissing off a SCOUSA Justice to look strong in your group and try to bring more people into the fold is not couragous, it is silly. The potential damage he inflicted by fanning the flames is definetely not worth it, and if he is a hero, your equal rights are a long way off.

Some people choose different routes of getting their way. Show me where the mainstream gay rights organizations use "violent" words.

Yeah, mainstream orgs are much more media savvy than a NYU law school student; however, they do little to reign in those who are doing more harm than good. Obviously, they can't do much, but I would like to see someone come out against this. Basically, if your point is you do not want intrusion in your life, then do not intrude on others, even if they would intrude on you.

I didn't quite catch it. Where is it?

I take it as a implication from this:

Scalia did not answer this question in his dissent because he believed the state need only assert a legitimate interest to defeat non-fundamental liberties. I basically asked him this question again - it is now the law of the land. He said he did not know whether the interest was significant enough. I then asked him if he sodomizes his wife to subject his intimate relations to the scrutiny he cavalierly would allow others - by force, if necessary. Everyone knew at that moment how significant the interest is.

I remember reading articles on how if a person knows a gay person, they are more likely to view homosexuals in a less negative manner. Obviously something is working.

I agree completely with this. My point is that guys like this are working against people viewing gays in a less negative manner.

Uh most of the major gay rights organizations are rather accomodating to conservative politicians. For example, the Human Rights Campaign endorsed and gave money to D'Amato. Why use the example of one guy (who I like) to show what the heavyweights are doing?

Thanks for adding the [sic] on Gandhi's name. A cute little jab. The heavyweights giving money to Alfonse D'Amato does not an accomodating agenda make. A better strategy would be to go with humanizing the cause and crack down on dudes like this NYU student who are doing more harm than good.

He is not a hero. He is not helping gay rights. Please find something else that actually works.
 
But the letter writer wasnt respectful to Scalia. It just seems ironic.
There’s a difference between his actions several days ago and this letter… his letter is certainly more polite.

For the same reason that accusing Jada Smith of being heteronormative is bad. If the goal is to be equal, why make a point of how the majority is different. The majority of the world is heterosexual. If society perceives things in that manner, it is not heterosexist. Nor is it a heterosexist hegemony. That kind of diatribal drivel is devisive and pointless.
However, there is a problem with segments of the population insisting that the heterosexual way is the only way.

Well, if he becomes Chief Justice, then you better start bothering with him. When there are only seven justices on the bench, you can't "not bother" with one, especially in a 5-4 split. So taking the piss out of him was retarded.
Do you seriously believe that he can be changed? He’s so far right that I have no hope for ever seeing him saved. 

Doing something that is more likely to hurt your cause by pissing off a SCOUSA Justice to look strong in your group and try to bring more people into the fold is not couragous, it is silly. The potential damage he inflicted by fanning the flames is definetely not worth it, and if he is a hero, your equal rights are a long way off.
Ah, so equal rights are dependant on who I see as my heros?

Yeah, mainstream orgs are much more media savvy than a NYU law school student; however, they do little to reign in those who are doing more harm than good. Obviously, they can't do much, but I would like to see someone come out against this. Basically, if your point is you do not want intrusion in your life, then do not intrude on others, even if they would intrude on you.
I don’t see this as a case of intrusion in private matters because of this: I don’t think that anyone really expected Scalia to say if he sodomized his wife or not. The guy did it to shock the audience… it was more of a rhetorical question troll than a real question. On the other hand, Scalia in his dissent wanted governments to be able to regulate behavior, or something like that.

Thanks for adding the [sic] on Gandhi's name. A cute little jab.
It’s misspelled quite often. For someone so famous and held in such high esteem, it’s interesting to see the “h” in the wrong place so often.

The heavyweights giving money to Alfonse D'Amato does not an accomodating agenda make.
No, but it was an example of how a major group was working quite closely with a conservative.
A better strategy would be to go with humanizing the cause and crack down on dudes like this NYU student who are doing more harm than good.
Uh huh, crack down on free speech. If the right wing couldn’t stop him, do you really think that the HRC could?

And let me quote something I found on Livejournal (yes Livejournal, but this is quite interesting… and it mentions the wide-eyed John Brown in a way related to this article)

One thing that happens as important social issues begin getting resolved, especially those issues which produce huge amounts of Sturm und Drang, is that what had been a middle-ground begins looking unacceptable to one side or both, and eventually what had been a middle-ground is indistinguishable from one or the other end.

There are many examples of this, but here are a few. In the 1840s in the US, there were three positions around on slavery: there was the “slavery is fine” approach, the “slavery is morally unacceptible” approach, and the “slavery is problematic but not worth tearing the union apart over” approach. There are still people out there who think slavery is fine. But the middle ground, the view that local option state-by-state was ok, that middle ground vanished. One can feel a little sympathy for people who were caught in the middle, with an instinctive aversion to radicalism. The middle ground looked nice and roomy and safe, free from the unpleasantness of actually advocating slavery, and free from the feared anarchy and social turmoil of John Brown and the other abolitionists.

But John Brown is now a hero. One can read Harriet Beecher Stowe’s “Sojourner Truth, the Libyan Sybil” and be amazed both at how wonderful Truth comes across, and at the causual racism of Stowe. How things have changed! Stowe is rightly a hero for the cause of right, but yet even she now looks like a troglodyte in her writing.

In the 1950s, Martin Luther King, Jr., was another radical who became the moderate position. There were then two poles, one which said that black people should have exactly equal civil rights to white people, and the other said that black people should be subordinated. The middle ground thought that black people were getting a raw deal, but argued for slow and gentle change. We now know how much the middle ground was willfulling blinding itself to the realities of racism, and indeed its own racism. That middle ground has evaporated. There are still racists, but the opportunity has passed for saying that black people should be patient and put up with indignity for just a few more decades. Saying that is itself racist: and we now know that it always was.

The middle ground is often wrong and when it is wrong, it is wrong because it is morally culpable along with whatever wing is morally wrong. We’ve seen a shift very recently in which civil unions are now the reasonable moderate approach to gay rights, when only a few years ago they were the radical extreme. The position that gay people should be subordinated but otherwise treated decently is rapidly vanishing. It is for this reason that I say that those who argue for this middle-ground position are in fact the allies of the hate-mongers from Westboro Baptist Church.

Sometimes the middle ground is right. I’ve been reading recently the excellent line of papal encyclicals on economic justice, from Rerum Novarum on. These all push for a strong middle ground between oppressive socialism or communism on the one hand, and laissez faire dog-eat-dog capitalism. Of course these documents have their strong points and their weak points, but the clear rejection of both radical alternatives and the insistence that economic justice is a religious issue both resonate highly with me, and I think is right. And this is, as it turns out, a middle ground position.

But that just ain’t how it always works. The middle ground is sometimes right, but it’s sometimes wrong. And when it’s wrong, and society swings to one or other pole (as it did with respect to slavery, women’s suffrage, racial civil rights, free speech, democracy, and religious liberty), the middle ground shrinks radically, sometimes suddenly. People who want to be in the middle, and who treat “radical” as a self-affirming pejorative, should keep in mind that just about every American today adopts what were, in the heat of the moment, extremely radical positions on slavery, women’s suffrage, racial civil rights, free speech, democracy, and religious liberty.
 

tetsuoxb

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Well, trying to change him would be about as effective as trying to stop a lifetime appointee.

Im not saying crack down on free speech, but crack down on those who are hurting your cause.

As far as Scalia the man goes, he is more strict constructionist than homophobe on this issue. His problem was federally protecting rights that are not enumerated in the constitution. This isnt to say he is not a homophobe, he probably is, but shocking the audience like that was counter-productive to the cause.

[I use you in the following passage not in refernce to hammy, but rhetorically. I dont want hammy coming back with the famous you are assuming things about me retort]
Finally, your rights do not depend on who is your hero, but your heroes provide an inspiration on how to lead your life, and if that is where you are headed, then I feel the gay rights struggle is working in the wrong direction.
 
tetsuoxb said:
Well, trying to change him would be about as effective as trying to stop a lifetime appointee.
Huh? If you stop the lifetime appointee before coming in.. they wouldn't be the troublesome lifetime appointee.
Im not saying crack down on free speech, but crack down on those who are hurting your cause.
Was MLK able to "crack down" effectively on the Black Panthers?
[I use you in the following passage not in refernce to hammy, but rhetorically. I dont want hammy coming back with the famous you are assuming things about me retort]
Finally, your rights do not depend on who is your hero, but your heroes provide an inspiration on how to lead your life, and if that is where you are headed, then I feel the gay rights struggle is working in the wrong direction.
Even though you put that disclaimer in front of the passage, it's fair to use the "assumption" retort. This is why:
The potential damage he inflicted by fanning the flames is definetely not worth it, and if he is a hero, your equal rights are a long way off.
So yes, when you first mentioned my hero, you were talking to me, Hammy... you were not using it in a rhetorical manner. Of course, that doesn't matter because the fate of a movement does not depend on a single individual. Unless you think that I should have a special unequal category of my own, and that's some other issue.

Also, if militant John Brown can be seen as a hero of sorts today, then Berndt's actions should not be so terrible to the greater scheme of things.
 

Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
IIRC, the Battle Hymn of the Republic is based on a tune originally written to praise John Brown, who had considerable support in his time.
 

scorcho

testicles on a cold fall morning
what? passive activism is the panacea of all dissent? even MLK broke the law in his advocating equal civil rights, so did that discredit his actions as hurtful to the 'movement' black rights in kind?

i would hope you'd actually take up more literature on activism before you start signaling out a man who voiced public dissent as harmful to a cause you obviously know little about.
 

tetsuoxb

Member
scorcho said:
what? passive activism is the panacea of all dissent? even MLK broke the law in his advocating equal civil rights, so did that discredit his actions as hurtful to the 'movement' black rights in kind?

i would hope you'd actually take up more literature on activism before you start signaling out a man who voiced public dissent as harmful to a cause you obviously know little about.

MLK broke laws, but did it respectfully. He realized what futhered his cause and what damaged it.

This kid has no such ability for discernment.
 

scorcho

testicles on a cold fall morning
tetsuoxb said:
MLK broke laws, but did it respectfully. He realized what futhered his cause and what damaged it.

This kid has no such ability for discernment.
how, by not choosing to break laws, yet framing his dissent in a very public manner? yes, god forbid more homosexual activists decide not to break laws, imagine how much the public will recoil from that practice!
 

tetsuoxb

Member
Dude, did you read any of my posts?

I want to know exactly what good he accomplished, and how that outweighs him fanning the flames.

The way I see it, he showed Scalia is who we already knew he is, but in the process pissed off Scalia more towards gays, gave conservatives more ammunition, and generally created negative headlines.

Gay rights arent going to happen until you win over conservatives, but it certainly isnt going to happen if NYU law students think it is a good idea to go around provoking them all the time.

Im gonna let this be my last post:

The question was trash, the letter in defense is trash, and this kid just did a whole lot more harm than good.
 

AstroLad

Hail to the KING baby
tetsuoxb said:
Dude, did you read any of my posts?

I want to know exactly what good he accomplished, and how that outweighs him fanning the flames.

The way I see it, he showed Scalia is who we already knew he is, but in the process pissed off Scalia more towards gays, gave conservatives more ammunition, and generally created negative headlines.

Gay rights arent going to happen until you win over conservatives, but it certainly isnt going to happen if NYU law students think it is a good idea to go around provoking them all the time.

Im gonna let this be my last post:

The question was trash, the letter in defense is trash, and this kid just did a whole lot more harm than good.

As a student of NYU Law, I'll let it be known that there is far from any sort of a consensus on the various issues implicated here; weeks before Scalia's visit there was quite a bit of discussion about the visit, and the implication that there is a singular stance about which 'NYU law students think' is ridiculous. There is no one thing that 'NYU Law students think,' and opinions are spread across the spectrum here. I have classmates that have worked with the Republican Senators, and with the W's cabinet, conversely there are many here that have worked on the "other side" of things, to put it in the adversarial posture that has become so popular. I myself am a liberal, and yet I've read Justice Scalia's A Matter of Interpretation as well as several other important conservative legal tracts. My roommate spent five years working for a Democratic Senator, is an avowed liberal, and was very critical of the question (he was at the event, which I unfortunately missed), some of my classmates feel otherwise, many of my conservative classmates have denounced both the question and the protest, while some have denounced neither. Believe it or not those "NYU Law students" are capable of more than one mode of thought, even one that goes against the "party line," so let's not dumb down this discussion even further by making even more broad generalizations.

If there's one thing I find fascinating about the coverage this has received it's not the absolute moral question of "was it right?" (which is idiotic, as people just take the aforementioned "party line" and there is no constructive discourse) or the utilitarian question of "was it good for the cause?" (which is pointless since there is no way to determine the answer to such a broad question with any useful degree of accuracy), but rather how, in our highly polarized political atmosphere, pundits, commentators, and other assorted morons have raced to portray the event in a manner beneficial to their interests. Rather than amusing some and irritating some, this has become an actual political issue for which many feel "serious" (I use the term loosely) political discussion is not only merited but absolutely necessary, which is by far the most frightening and sad comment on our times to arise from this whole affair.
 
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