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Study Debunks Notion of "Healthy Obesity"

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MONDAY, Jan. 5, 2015 (HealthDay News) -- The notion of potentially healthy obesity is a myth, with most obese people slipping into poor health and chronic illness over time, a new British study claims.

The "obesity paradox" is a theory that argues obesity might improve some people's chances of survival over illnesses such as heart failure, said lead researcher Joshua Bell, a doctoral student in University College London's department of epidemiology and public health.

But research tracking the health of more than 2,500 British men and women for two decades found that half the people initially considered "healthy obese" wound up sliding into poor health as years passed.

"Healthy obesity is something that's a phase rather than something that's enduring over time," Bell said. "It's important to have a long-term view of healthy obesity, and to bear in mind the long-term tendencies. As long as obesity persists, health tends to decline. It does seem to be a high-risk state."

The obesity paradox springs from research involving people who are overweight but do not suffer from obesity-related problems such as high blood pressure, bad cholesterol and elevated blood sugar, said Dr. Andrew Freeman, director of clinical cardiology for National Jewish Health in Denver.

Some studies have found that people in this category seem to be less likely to die from heart disease and chronic kidney disease compared with folks with a lower body mass index, Freeman said -- even though science also has proven that obesity increases overall risk for heart disease, diabetes and some forms of cancer.

No one can say how the obesity paradox works, but some have speculated that people with extra weight might have extra energy stores they can draw upon if they become acutely ill, Freeman said.

To test this theory, University College London researchers tracked the health of 2,521 men and women between the ages of 39 and 62. They measured each participant's body mass index (a calculation based on height and weight), cholesterol, blood pressure, fasting blood sugar and insulin resistance, and ranked them as either healthy or unhealthy and obese or non-obese.

About one-third of the obese people had no risk factors for chronic disease at the beginning of the study, and were ranked as healthy obese.

But over time, this group began to develop risk factors for chronic disease. After 10 years about 40 percent had become unhealthy obese, and by the 20-year mark 51 percent had fallen into the unhealthy category, the study found.

Healthy non-obese people also slipped into poor health over time, but at a slower rate. After two decades, 22 percent had become unhealthy but were still trim, and about 10 percent more had become either healthy or unhealthy obese.

Only 11 percent of the people who started out as healthy obese lost weight and become healthy and non-obese, the researchers found.

This study suggests that obese people will eventually develop risk factors such as high blood sugar and bad cholesterol that lead to chronic illness and death, Bell and Freeman said.

"The longer one is obese, the more likely they are to induce damage," Freeman said. "I have very seldom seen people who are obese for the long-term not have a condition that requires treatment."

Bell said these findings make the case that people who are obese should try to lose weight, even if they currently don't have any risk factors.

"All types of obesity warrant treatment, even those which appear to be healthy, because they carry a high risk of future decline," he said.

The findings are published Jan. 5 in a letter in the Journal of the American College of Cardiology.

SOURCES: Joshua Bell, doctoral student, University College London, department of epidemiology & public health; Andrew Freeman, M.D., F.A.C.C., director, clinical cardiology, National Jewish Health, Denver; Jan. 5, 2015, Journal of the American College of Cardiology

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_150253.html
 

Joe

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i always assumed that the body is perfectly capable of carrying around some fat and could actually be beneficial especially in colder climates and the real cause of concern is fat around the organs. is that what this is disproving?
 

DOWN

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this was actually a thing?
People say all the time that you can't look at someone overweight and be sure they're 'unhealthy'. This came up a lot with actress Gaborey Sidibe who people said should lose weight at least for her health, but many claimed only her doctor could say if she was not healthy and that some people are perfectly healthy being overweight or obese.
 

A Fish Aficionado

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i always assumed that the body is perfectly capable of carrying around some fat and could actually be beneficial especially in colder climates and the real cause of concern is fat around the organs. is that what this is disproving?
No. Because you can have all the above and still be at a decent bodyfat percentage.
Being overweight can lead to obesity and obesity increases risk of disease. Being overweight is not the same thing as obesity.
Some obese people appear healthy because not all weight gain is harmful, Katz said. "It depends partly on genes, partly on the source of calories, partly on activity levels, partly on hormone levels. Weight gain in the lower extremities among younger women tends to be metabolically harmless; weight gain as fat in the liver can be harmful at very low levels," Katz said.
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"In particular, fat in the liver interferes with its function and insulin sensitivity," Katz said. This starts a domino effect, he explained. "Insensitivity to insulin causes the pancreas to compensate by raising insulin output. Higher insulin levels affect other hormones in a cascade that causes inflammation. Fight-or-flight hormones are affected, raising blood pressure. Liver dysfunction also impairs blood cholesterol levels," Katz said.
From a 2013 article.
http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20131202/healthy-obesity-is-a-myth-report-says

That said, shaming people aka fat shaming or the like isn't a great motivator. Body dysmorphia and other health issues are real.
 

Qblivion

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I beg to differ. I suggest you guys read this before making uninformed comments.

Trigger warning: health

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i'm not sure anyone could reasonably argue that it's healthy, or not damaging to one's health to be obese, but you also don't need to be a jerk about it. it's an issue of lifestyle, IMO, and it does take effort to stay in shape, and it's very easy to fall into a sedentary lifestyle.

weird tumblrs with health trigger warnings only muddy the conversation and well, are faintly ridiculous.

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Look at this fatphobic, possibly triggering display my work has right now… This is a display that the store’s nutritionist put up. I’m not the only one there that thinks that it’s messed up. How could they think this is okay??? Every time I see it, I get uncomfortable. And that’s all day at work because I work in the front end. Stop spreading this bullshit that you NEED to be thin to be healthy. Every time I see this I get so angry.
 
There was never the notion that being obese was healthy. However, you can be overweight and not be obese. Study sounds like they don't understand what is meant by having some excess fat vs being obese. The very definition of obese means to have enough excess fat that it can cause one to be unhealthy.

The same can be said for carrying too much muscle for your frame to carry. you can absolutely be too muscular.
 

Hoo-doo

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There was never the notion that being obese was healthy. However, you can be overweight and not be obese. Study sounds like they don't understand what is meant by having some excess fat vs being obese. The very definition of obese means to have enough excess fat that it can cause one to be unhealthy.

The same can be said for carrying too much muscle for your frame to carry. you can absolutely be too muscular.

Where can I read your published and peer-reviewed scientific literature on the matter? Seems like you figured it all out.
 
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I can't believe the notion even existed in the first place.

The one where the overweight woman claims people are healthist?

I remember watching this for the entire duration. I couldn't believe the self delusion and lies these women were telling themselves. The diet's don't work part was my favourite: "Well i lost weight, then stopped the diet and went back to eating how I used to. Thus diets don't work"
 

Horseticuffs

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Well, hopefully if this is the case more studies will come out and support this one. Only after it's totally undeniable will the public even start to MAAAAAAYBE get behind it. Here int he U.S. at least we've got a lot of emotional investment in deluding ourselves.
 

Casimir

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I can't believe the notion even existed in the first place.

You answered the question yourself, it's easier to rationalize your current situation than go through the effort to change.


I remember watching this for the entire duration. I couldn't believe the self delusion and lies these women were telling themselves. The diet's don't work part was my favourite: "Well i lost weight, then stopped the diet and went back to eating how I used to. Thus diets don't work"

Well, she is partially correct. Diets do work to rapidly reduce a persons weight, but healty eating habits are needed to prevent the weight gain fron occurring again.

You wouldn't have a link to the entire show would you? I've only seen snippets here and there.
 
Just eat healthily. Put the effort you do into inane stuff into your health.

My Californian Uncle is super into healthy eating, no bread (only brown if necessary), brown rice, kinwa (never heard of it till now), gluten free, vegetable/fruit smoothies, no sugary nonsense snacks, no sodas (and if so only with cane sugar), not much meat (my aunt and little cousin are Vegeterian), organic plant and legume based food.

Was recently on holiday at their place near Santa Monica and I'm hoping his influence rubs off on me. So far I suppose it has since my usual British snack fair is making my tummy ache and I don't feel full from usual meals. Weirdly I'm craving all that healthy stuff.
 

AnAnole

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You answered the question yourself, it's easier to rationalize your current situation than go through the effort to change.




Well, she is partially correct. Diets do work to rapidly reduce a persons weight, but healty eating habits are needed to prevent the weight gain fron occurring again.

You wouldn't have a link to the entire show would you? I've only seen snippets here and there.

Changing eating habits likely won't prevent the weigh regain either. The only intervention that has proven to be effective in keeping the weight off is bariatric surgery.
 

rude

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Fat people should just kill ourselves. We are a burden and a blemish on this perfect society.
Don't let this thread get you down. Several gaffers, like the some of the ones in this post, are really quite insensitive. You're a valued member of humanity just like the rest of us.
 
Well, she is partially correct. Diets do work to rapidly reduce a persons weight, but healty eating habits are needed to prevent the weight gain fron occurring again.

But surely people learn portion control or some form of healthy eating habit? Im guessing these people only try the eat a stick of celery a day diets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6mMpE8AaA0 Enjoy

Changing eating habits likely won't prevent the weigh regain either. The only intervention that has proven to be effective in keeping the weight off is bariatric surgery.

Im pretty sure exercise will help keep it off too.
 
Don't let this thread get you down. Several gaffers, like the some of the ones in this post, are really quite insensitive. You're a valued member of humanity just like the rest of us.

Valuable resources though ;)

Anyway, if I do kill myself it will be from nicotine withdrawal, not from nasty thin people making me feel like a piece of shit. I'm totes used to that, it's all good LOL!
 

A Fish Aficionado

I am going to make it through this year if it kills me
Just eat healthily. Put the effort you do into inane stuff into your health.

My Californian Uncle is super into healthy eating, no bread (only brown if necessary), brown rice, kinwa (never heard of it till now), gluten free, vegetable/fruit smoothies, no sugary nonsense snacks, no sodas (and if so only with cane sugar), not much meat (my aunt and little cousin are Vegeterian), organic plant and legume based food.

Was recently on holiday at their place near Santa Monica and I'm hoping his influence rubs off on me. So far I suppose it has since my usual British snack fair is making my tummy ache and I don't feel full from usual meals. Weirdly I'm craving all that healthy stuff.
As a Californian, that's just an asshole. We have a lot of those. Typically, in Santa Monica/Venice/and the gentrificationers.
Changing eating habits likely won't prevent the weigh regain either. The only intervention that has proven to be effective in keeping the weight off is bariatric surgery.
That's an extreme. I condone bariatric surgery when it is needed. Diet intervention works when people and docs/dietitians are are empathetic and realistic. Hence, why so many are against diet fads.
 
As a Californian, that's just an asshole. We have a lot of those. Typically, in Santa Monica/Venice/and the gentrificationers.
Admittedly he can get really preachy about the whole thing (was really having a go at my obese grandparents for their bread obsession and finishing leftovers obsession, rightfully so), but at the end of the day he's right. It's super important how seriously we take our nutrition.

The odd snack doesn't hurt (he enjoyed In N Out with me for instance) but it has to remain an odd treat and not a habit.

Also you are spot on lol. He and my Aunt are quite literally gentrificationers (they're property developers).
 

alternade

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As a fatty trying to lose weight, the whole acceptance movement is bullshit. No one told me to go to eat a whole pizza for lunch and I have no one to blame but myself and my lack of control. Fat people are just ashamed of themselves and have found a way to attempt to make them feel better about their lack of personal responsibility.

In 10-15 years obesity, not a little overweight or chubby, will be viewed just like how people look at smokers today.
 

Idde

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All of this stuff is so weird. If you're obese, you're most likely very unhealthy. If you're slightly overweight it doesn't have to be unhealthy of course, but with a bmi over 30, you're setting yourself up for so many health complications down the line. That's why I think the fat acceptance movement, and all the misinformation in it is so harmful. Gay people should be accepted, trans people should be accepted, black people should be accepted, white people should be accepted. There's nothing harmful in being all of that. Fat people should also be accepted, of course, but all the risks associated with obesity should not be swept under the rug as part of 'fat acceptance'.

Fat people should just kill ourselves. We are a burden and a blemish on this perfect society.

Not at all. It's just that being obese is unhealthy, so you'd be better of losing weight. When I see a fat person completely out of breath from walking a couple of stairs, or on a scooter in a supermarket, I wonder how people can do that to themselves. Not because you're not allowed to be fat, but because you're making life so much harder on yourself. It just seems so restrictive. I would personally hate having to walk around with the weight of another tiny person on my shoulders.

Changing eating habits likely won't prevent the weigh regain either. The only intervention that has proven to be effective in keeping the weight off is bariatric surgery.


Sorry, but this doesn't make any sense. If you only drink pop, and eat 4k of calories worth of fast food, which is filled with the wrong sorts of fat, all sorts of preservatives, carbs and nothing decent you're bound to gain weight. If you learn to eat less, and add some veggies, remove the soda and get down to 2.5k in calories you will lose weight. All that fat that's been built up also needs energy, eg calories. If you eat less the calorie deficit will burn the fat. So if you change your eating habits in a structural way you willl lose weight, and keep it off.
 
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