The power is almighty.
It's almost like one day I woke up in another world with no recollection of this. Never heard or seen this before.
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Summer 2012 Anime |OT3| Where All the Waifus Are Made Up and the Points Don't Matter
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It's almost like one day I woke up in another world with no recollection of this. Never heard or seen this before.
PdotMichael
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well, you could say the director knows how to handle sick stuff.
Trojita
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As a totally honest point, I feel that it speaks to how well the show resonates with the demographic on a whole. I'm tired of being snarky about the show, or make jabs at how I watch even if I dislike it, etc, because really, I don't. Hatewatch is bullshit. Do I think parts of the show are dumb and flawed? Sure. Are the characters unrealistic? Duh. Is the scenario somewhat implausible? Yeah totally. Is it fucking entertaining? Yup. Does the gameplay stuff tickle my gamer bone? Yes yes yes. Are the production values good? Definitely. Is the actual narrative somewhat engaging albeit predictable? I think so, yes.
Wanting to invest time and energy into poking holes into something also shows an investment and interest in it. Sometimes that does not indicate an actual interest in the subject matter, like for example the toilets in Accel World Ep1. That simply showedhow bored we were on a weekendthat we are somewhat invested in good consistent background art, and when something looks really off it catches our attention and outrage.
But in this case, we are really going out of the way to argue how plausible the scenario in SAO is, and what holes there are in the story and trying to patch them up or dismiss them. This kinda shows that there is something compelling about the way the narrative is approached, and that either consciously or subconsciously, we wish that it is tighter and more perfect, so we can like it even more.
That's my take on it anyway.
The story in SAO is pretty fucking dumb though
Series Spoiler!
*no*
Jex
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Well, that answers my question about that then. SAO is wholly and fundamentally about videogames, specifically about being an MMO. The greater the story resonates with the audiences the greater the chance is that a work will be successful, so I think the believability of the MMO setting is a crucial part of SAO's success.
Trojita
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Yeah sorry, I missed spoilering it, I fixed it within a few seconds but I'm sorry for whoever saw it.
Sorry if I spoiled it for you Dresden.
Jex
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KO Traveling Hobo
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Sheeeeeeeeeit.
Has the CG gotten better or is that just the Stockholm Syndrome talking?
Sheeeeeeeeeit.
Foreveralone techy begging for Yui to save him and then screaming in agony as he was eaten made me squirm so much. Call me a wuss, but that sort of stuff really, really gets to me.
Are Cryska and Inia going to try to kill them? Surely the Russians are going to get involved somehow.
Has the CG gotten better or is that just the Stockholm Syndrome talking?
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Nothing of value was lost/cut.
Also, you seem to have repeated the last paragraph a few times!
We put it on hold until hosanna had the opportunity to watch.
If you have to ask...
So maybe we can conclude with the general assessment that SAO is extremely popular because it is:
- a relatively serious take on what it would be like to be trapped in a VRMMORPG with perm death, complete with working game mechanics and various gameplay systems explained.
- a pure fantasy setting with attractive visuals both in the environments and the character and monster designs.
- a wish fulfillment fantasy where the main character is popular, capable, and cool, while the other characters play pre-defined roles intended to boost the ego and dependability of the main character.
- A relatively entertaining popcorn action adventure narrative which generally doesn't offend, and offers solid narrative beats along the way for the lowest common denominator in terms of comfort food.
Haven't seen the most recent but the CG stuff seems better animated as it goes on even if it still looks ugly as sin.
Yeah IDK where he's getting this stuff from. Definitely not from this universe though.
It's almost like there's a second Earth that he's taking his lies from.
firehawk12
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Theonik
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That spoilered text is pure brain poison.
KO Traveling Hobo
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You need to get on that shit, bruh!
Jex
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That's pretty much my perception of the series and what makes it successful, yes. I think it's worth noting that the production values are pretty nice well as, which makes it far easier to engage in the fantasy aspect of the show.
NFL encroaching on my animu time. Can't be helped.
KO Traveling Hobo
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It also has a clearly defined romance that actually progresses instead of simmering in harem hell. That has to count for something.
How baka gaijin of you.
I'm going to give a serious warning here. I don't really appreciate people bringing in detailed explicit spoilers for an entire series from the original material while people are discussing an anime adaptation. It is rude, pointless, and even if it is tagged someone somewhere might accidentally see it, and they might not like it.
It doesn't matter if you think it's shit, have some respect for other people if you're going to post in a thread which covers an entire spectrum of a given medium.
If someone actually wants to discuss spoilers, and it is clearly marked, I think there's some tolerance there, but if it's unsolicited I see no reason why it should be there at all. It would be no different from someone talking about how they're enjoying a new anime which is based on a manga, and then someone replies with "no actually it's shit!" and then proceeding to post a huge summary of the manga story and why it's shit. What's the point?
It doesn't matter if you think it's shit, have some respect for other people if you're going to post in a thread which covers an entire spectrum of a given medium.
If someone actually wants to discuss spoilers, and it is clearly marked, I think there's some tolerance there, but if it's unsolicited I see no reason why it should be there at all. It would be no different from someone talking about how they're enjoying a new anime which is based on a manga, and then someone replies with "no actually it's shit!" and then proceeding to post a huge summary of the manga story and why it's shit. What's the point?
Well both shows look pretty moe.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
But spoilers enhance enjoyment of a work - I mean look at firehawk12 and this http://ucsdnews.ucsd.edu/newsrel/soc/2011_08spoilers.asp
Crash Station
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Eh, directors should be allowed to work on whatever they want. Complaining won't amount to much.
Jex
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I don't know if pointing to a lone study is really a compelling argument.
The two seemed to be pretty different takes on the matter.
Or in this case, maybe it's just whatever is assigned to them~
This is for Darkside
I'm playing Tsukihime on my Retina Macbook Pro.
*shudder* I'm playing Tsukihime on my desktop and that's bad enough. I can't imagine how horrible it must look upscaled. It's astounding how much better Takeuchi has gotten. Dat giraffe moe.
You''re right, I had a brain-fart on that one. I forgot the stuff was done concurrently. My favorite example would be Blade Runner actually.
Crash Station
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Nah, he told me that's what he wants to work on.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I've always been of the thought that if spoilers ruin a text, that text probably isn't that great anyway.
At the very least, every single canonical work of literature would be considered "ruined" because we know that Hamlet dies, Emma gets married, and Hester goes back to live in Boston.
Spoilers cannot ruin a text, but they can alter the perception and expectations of the reader. Spoilers are never about spoiling the actual material, since that doesn't change, but rather the experience of the person encountering the material for the first time. Stop looking at it from the perspective of ruining a work, but rather it being common human decency while interacting with other people in society.
That's fine, but that's an individual preference. It is not right or wrong. But that doesn't apply to everyone else.
I agree, but the thing is, SAO isn't great and is typical of something that would get ruined by spoilers.
But then I've known about them for months now and I'm still talking about it, so who knows... maybe it's great or something.
Hell, the first thing I did when SAO started airing was ask Dresden "So this and this happens I think, right?"
No no, you're thing about not spoiling others is totally fine, and really should go without saying. I'm just speaking of the tangent regarding if spoilers can be a good thing for the enjoyment of a story or not.
No no, you're thing about not spoiling others is totally fine, and really should go without saying. I'm just speaking of the tangent regarding if spoilers can be a good thing for the enjoyment of a story or not.
I'm an episode behind, but I'll assume it is Stockholm Syndrome. Anime fans seem to be quite susceptible to it.
So then what is the issue with people posting marked spoilers?
Ah, thanks for posting this. As usual, I like their preview the most, if only for the detailed times chart and links to all PVs released so far.
I think spoilers can enhance my enjoyment of certain things as well. As a disclosure, I actually spoiled myself entirely on AW and SAO. Why? Because I wanted to know what to expect from the show, and it doesn't really bother me in particular that I know the twists in advance, because I'm more interested in seeing how the anime handles the delivery of scenes.
On the other hand, I would never ever spoil myself on something where the actual premise and suspense is compelling. Say... something by Urobuchi (Madoka, Fate/Zero), or a movie by Nolan. For those sort of works, I enjoy them more simply watching and trying to figure out the mystery as it happens, and then be surprised (or vindicated) when certain twists and turns are revealed. Since that forms part of the basis of my enjoyment for those works, I would rather not be spoiled.
So yeah, it differs from work to work.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Yeah, I understand that there are people who like to go in fresh, so I generally try to be careful myself. I find myself even censoring the screen caps I use now because of that anyway.
It just gets weird when talking about anime because most of it is based on a book or a manga or a line of toys and anime rarely strays from the source material, so there are different frames of reference for different people.
In 500 years, we could be playing Karuta with lines from the SAO novels. You don't know!
My man.
Our dear little mascot was going to create it and hes dead ;_;
I think a clear case of a show having A,B.,and C and still failing is Rinne on Lagrange. Cute girls, sci fi setting, mechs, nice production values, entertaining writing...it SHOULD be a success. Im actually mystified as to why it failed.
I don't know how to break this to you but:
I still want to buy this. Do I need to see the first season or is this standalone?
Same here. although my team certainly isnt very entertaining at the moment.
Dedication Through Light
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I wish the first line of that sao post at the time hadnt been a massive spoiler :/ no ease in at all
Muv Luv Alternative Total Eclipse 12
Most intense and emotional episode yet. Legit teared up
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Why did they go through the chart of the different BETA Classes so fast and with dumb dialogue of stuff no one cares about. I would have liked it on screen more and more details, only thing I got was smaller the more intelligent? And have they ever answered where the BETA came from and what they want?
Muv Luv Alternative Total Eclipse 12
Most intense and emotional episode yet. Legit teared up
I dont like the Japanese doll but still too close for comfort, I would not have wanted to see her die especially after her tragic past. But poor Corporal Yamamoto, surely he could have survived, they didnt need to off him like that and in the most brutal of ways, thats the only thing I dont like about the deahts in this always so gruesome and you can hear the crunching and when he was like it hurts and started screaming, almost couldnt go through the scene.
Why did they go through the chart of the different BETA Classes so fast and with dumb dialogue of stuff no one cares about. I would have liked it on screen more and more details, only thing I got was smaller the more intelligent? And have they ever answered where the BETA came from and what they want?
However, the fear she couldn't control
collected in the corners of her eyes.
As the two tears dripped down
her long eyelashes
Sugou's tongue licked them up.
collected in the corners of her eyes.
As the two tears dripped down
her long eyelashes
Sugou's tongue licked them up.
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