That was genuine concern. Read the article. They are literally arresting people on suspicion of possible future actions. Also the UK sees 2D and 3D as the same.
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That was genuine concern. Read the article. They are literally arresting people on suspicion of possible future actions. Also the UK sees 2D and 3D as the same.
Which is beyond stupid but nobody is going to raise a stink about it.
That's legal?
They do that already. It's a good ol' past-time in the USA.
What are the arguments for that anyways?
If anything it devalues the fates of the real children that suffer when they're put on a level with complete fiction.
They'll arrest them on the crime of possession of indecent images but they say it's because they think they'll go on to do much worse. Buying a gun means you'll go and commit murder.
Because who is going to stand up in public and defend 2D depictions of sexulised children? That would make a fun question on Question Time though just to see every squirm about it. Just make sure to wear a mask. Like Chariot says, it demeans the actual crime of child abuse that occurs to produce 3D images, but it is such a touchy subject it's best to just leave it be, especially in post Savillegate Britain.
SliceSabre
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Mean.
I'm fine with Haruna for the ED, F/Z second ED was good.
But yeah no Lisa or Aoi Eir pls, these gal blow.. would be OK with GARNiDELiA. tho.
I hardly think it demeans actual child abuse to think that 2D depictions of sexualised children are creepy and weird. Just because it's not illegal doesn't make it kind of gross.
Sorry!
(but we're not saying anything new here, as usual, and it is an unfortunate consequence of some of the odder parts of anime/manga that this discussion becomes relevant)
Guns should be illegal anyway. I see nothing wrong with this!
I think thats an unfitting comparison. I am not a fan of guns, but I see the argument that on buy one for defense, it's an tool opposed to images that are entertainment.
What they probably want to say is, that one has the desire to look at these kind of pictures, they most likely will have a desire for the real thing, too and will maybe accelerate this desire into real life crimes.
Is what I think they think.
MikeHattsu
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Hm... Didn't BGBW just say it was illegal in the UK?
I seriously didn't catch it until the last scene began, despite the many obvious clues. I feel ashamed.
Yup, that was the whole point. 2D is no different than 3D by law.
Well I just mean no crime is committed in the production of a 2D image vs a 3D image, not whether the outcome is less creepy or weird.
Yeah, we're often going to be a bit more on edge than other parts of the population just because we are more closely tied to the medium. We want to distance ourselves from the accusation of dodginess while avoiding outright defending it.
Well they basically are in the UK, thus possession can lead to arrest, but usually you are arrested on the ground of the possession but not because of the fear you'll become a murderer.
Hmmm.. maybe possession of drugs would be a better comparison. The possession is illegal but they don't arrest you with the accusation that you'll be a dealer in the future.
I don't know. I tend to stay on the correct side of the law so I don't have much experience with the whole arrest thing.
That's why it's not nice to recommend anime like Strike Witches or Neptunia to random people.
Psycho_Mantis
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I agree.
No one, I repeat no one will defend stuff like that. Especially if some of it was shown. It will get real ugly real fast, it does even on the Internet lol. Personally I'm against it, but its the Internet. There are many things wrong with it.
First, it's illegal in the UK (which is were the relevant event happened).
Second, we're not talking about it's creepy or gross. The important point is, that the UK law makes no difference between the two, ignoring that for the making of 3D actual children suffer. I say it, just to be clear. I am not for protecting lolicons, but there is something odd about letting those children stand on the same level of pure fiction (since in the process of drawing pictures no children get hurt).
Oh great, and now we have normal anime in here, too. Don't put child porn on that low level, they are a serious issue.
I think thought crimes are stupid as hell too, I was just making a throwaway comment to poke our American friends!
Not landscape = sacrilege. Or maybe that's the point?
It's not nice to recommend anime to random people in general.
Moral Panic
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You should really have a long hard look at yourself if you like those kind of shows in any case imo.
I also don't think a mask would do you much good in the middle of the Question Time audience. I just thought the idea of the QT guests having to discuss 2D art was amusing. But yeah, I don't see many if anyone in this thread really defending the 2D side, but rather they think the law seeing them as equal does a disservice to the victims of actual child abuse.
But basically
2D: Puts you off your tea and biscuits but you can still chuckle and say "Who was the cheeky so and so who drew this?" before bleaching your eyes.
3D: Weep for humanity.
Both bad, but the real stuff can be so so so so so so horrific that comparing it to a silly drawing can be described as demeaning. But yeah, I think that's all that needs to be said. It's a dodgy subject.
I suspected as much, but I just thought I'd clarify that I did put a bit of thought into the comparison.
Femmeworth
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The more accurate (but not totally equivalent) analogy would be people going to shooting ranges are going to commit murder.
SliceSabre
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Is there a problem with liking them? I found Neptunia amusing and I was surprised at how much I loved the battles in Strike Witches.
As for the fanservice? Ehh, I've seen better.
No, watching action films.
Nooo, If people used that analogy then I would be even more of a suspected murderer.
Edit: lol I'm really tempted to see that sao.gif in context.
It's just a guy attempting to lift a minigun to aim at a target above his fire.
Femmeworth
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If someone has erotic material it's hardly a stretch that they do more than look at it, which is why I went with the shooting range.
Unless people in the U.K. are really being arrested for benign stuff.
Edit: I don't think people that go to shooting ranges are likely to commit murder, just to be clear.
By your own argument, then, it's like owning a gun. It's hardly a stretch that somebody would do more than look at it.
Yeah it is. However who could this wacky muscle man be shooting at? Is it our savior kirito or these tentacles that have been mentioned.
Well I wouldn't say that, but depending on the extremeness of the drawn/animated material they could also have actual childporn. And in both those cases I feel there's a boundary between fantasy and acting upon fantastic thoughts, just as there is between using violent media to fantasise about acting violently and actually moving beyond fantasy.
But really this is not the place I really want to have these kinds of discussions.
jackie jormp-jomp
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I'll take Game and Wario if no one claimed it
Femmeworth
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Okay, I see faults in my logic. Just to be clear, I was equating masturbating to an image/video with shooting a gun at a range.
Edit: In hindsight it was probably a moot point to bring up. I apologize for introducing this tangent.
AmethystEnd
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Ahaha, I like it.
Pretty misogynistic.
In all seriousness:
Yes, this is part of what I meant with the degradation of real children in contrast to drawn pictures.
MikeHattsu
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Just an assumption
As I understand it, UK law doesn't make a distinction.
That's not the point. Whether the law makes a distinction or not is what fuels the assumption, but there would still be facts about what was actually found and why people were arrested. No one should have any issues with people being arrested for possession of actual child porn, even if it's digitally in the cache or whatever!
That doesn't sound like a lot of fun. But that means an excuse to sit/lay down and watch anime and play video games.
Or fix/upgrade my computer!
But no, walking is still an ordeal. Doesn't help that my room is upstairs.
Admiral Woofington
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The UK is arresting Peter files?
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