C'mon Falco was waaay more likely to stay.
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Super Best Friends Thread 7: FRIENDER65
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C'mon Falco was waaay more likely to stay.
Eh, I play as Dark Pit, but there was no reason why he couldn't have been an alternate for Pit outside his copy pasta final smash from Zelda. All of his moves could have easily be set to custom moves and have a different voice clip.
DR.Mario gets off mostly because he as Melee Mario's moveset and Lucina I can accept, because I would rather have her as a clone than not at all.
VidulaSaix
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I'm not denying that. I just don't see a reason why Wolf had to go. He was just as different as Falco is from Fox.
DoktorEvil
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RecursiveFault
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I know Dark Pit is trash, I was using him as an extreme example of how easy it is, technically speaking, to make clones. Mario and Lucins are fine, and if agree that Brawl had good clones.
Heh
I'd say he literally just missed the deadline. Sakurai like, handcrafts the hitboxes on moves and stuff and kills himself over it, with the deadline on Smash 4, they likely just didn't quite make it.
That's what they did, then they realized that he was different enough to get his own slot, same with Lucina.
MillionStabs
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Wolf wasn't even technically a clone character like DP is. Wolf had a ton of differences to Fox or Falco, whereas DP just has a different Final Smash.
VidulaSaix
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Luckily I have good friends for it.
This is most likely. It's why I have hope for DLC.
I think me and Maragi went on a long rant about why Lucina shouldn't be a clone of Marth. her sword and fighting still wouldn't actually fit Marth it would be in between Marth and Ike probably. I am happy she is in but I think they could have done something cooler with her that's my main complaint.
Cuz Wolf was only in one game
To be fair, if my copy of Brawl was still working I would probably try Project M out.
With all that said, I don't want Dark Pit to be removed from the game, but if characters like Lucas and Wolf were cut for being to samey (Lucas being the only other mother character next to Ness) Then people have all the right to complain about Dark Pit.
With all that said, I don't want Dark Pit to be removed from the game, but if characters like Lucas and Wolf were cut for being to samey (Lucas being the only other mother character next to Ness) Then people have all the right to complain about Dark Pit.
VidulaSaix
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Yet is far more memorable than shit like Mr. Game and Watch and Shiek.
Don't get me wrong, Shiek is awesome but hardly anyone knows who she is.
RecursiveFault
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They could've, but that would've taken way more time and money, and she would've just not been in the game otherwise.
You're kidding right?
VidulaSaix
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I wouldn't have said it if I was.
You might know who Sheik is but I had no idea before I played Melee. Most Zelda fans did indeed play Ocarina but I'll be honest that I couldn't actually remember Sheik's role in that game until I went back and played it because it's not something that really sticks out too hard when you're a child.
Game and Watch is also one of those relics of time that most kids who bought Melee had no idea who he was because he was before their time.
I think you might be the minority there
Good morning everyone. Still playing Smash and ORAS.
That's pretty good animation.
VidulaSaix
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Depends on what age group you're in.
Regardless, my point is that Wolf left an impact on nearly everyone that played Starfox 64 which was pretty much everyone on the planet who had an N64 at the time.
To be fair, Smash games from Melee onward have always been super late/ tight with releases.
Mewtwo was probably was going to make it back into Brawl, but was cut because no time. They barely could fit Sonic in the game.
Dark Pit was probably the easiest of the three clones because he has the same moveset as well as using the same model as Pit.
Compared to Dr Mario who has a somewhat different moveset and Lucina who has a somewhat different model compared to Marth.
Mewtwo was probably was going to make it back into Brawl, but was cut because no time. They barely could fit Sonic in the game.
Dark Pit was probably the easiest of the three clones because he has the same moveset as well as using the same model as Pit.
Compared to Dr Mario who has a somewhat different moveset and Lucina who has a somewhat different model compared to Marth.
Ultimate_Trainer
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Good morning everyone. Still playing Smash and ORAS.
Wait a minute
Korra cut her hair?
I gotta get caught up on Korra now.
ShakuganSan
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Just found out the newest patch for smash replaced vectoring with DI
Didn't know who Wolf when I played Brawl but I sure as hell knew who Shiek was
VidulaSaix
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Did you not play Starfox 64?
I find it hard to believe that anyone who did wouldn't know who Wolf was because assuming you played it that fight at the end was a challenge for any child playing it and when a game usually presents you with a challenge it'll leave a mark on you.
Also, I looked it up and Wolf was actually in more than 1 game. I personally only ever played 64 so I just assumed you were correct.
Nope, played Zelda though
Ultimate_Trainer
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I would take Chrom over Marth if he was just a clone of him.
Honestly it depends on the games you play. I knew who Wolf was since 64 and only knew who Sheik was after I played Melee.
With all that said, I'd rather have Wolf than Falco on the sheer virtue on the fact that Wolf is far more different than Fox or Falco, and I think having one hero/villain is more balanced.
With all that said, I'd rather have Wolf than Falco on the sheer virtue on the fact that Wolf is far more different than Fox or Falco, and I think having one hero/villain is more balanced.
Nah, Marth should be in, he was the first main character of Fire Emblem, and if it wasn't for him than Fire Emblem probably wouldn't have even reached the states like it did.
DoktorEvil
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Yooooooo, Mr. Game and Watch was hype. He had some moves that were downright nasty.
VidulaSaix
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That would be why then. Simply a difference in exposure. I would expect you to know who Wolf was if you never touched the game. (GO PLAY IT NAO)
However, I was such a babby at the time when I played Ocarina that Sheik just left no impact on me at all and nothing memorable to remember her by so I had no idea who she was going into Melee.
I didn't say he was bad. Just not memorable.
Ultimate_Trainer
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Really?
I think Star Fox 64 is a far better game than OoT, then again I think Star Fox has aged far more gracefully overall.
Hell, I think Star Fox 64 blows Kid Icarus uprising out of the water
ShakuganSan
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I never understood why Chrom is so popular, same goes for Tharja, she has a nice body yes, but that's it
Eh, it was an on rails shooter. They aren't my thing.
Seraphis Cain
bad gameplay lol
Next GEN!
VidulaSaix
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Glad to see it's just as hilarious as ever.
AngryCanadian
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Something Something Cena never sells
I love all the bullshit that is coming out of these recent games.
It's all they have left. A quality video game was never in the cards.
Chrom is a cool swordsman I guess and I think you listed the reason why Tharja is popular.
Personally I think Lucina is pretty cool.
Triple H shouldn't be a ref. You can't trust that giant nose of his.
Banana Aeon
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I have already said what I feel on the clones. Dark Pit doesn't deserve to exist, and Lucina neither should have been not there, or outright replace Marth if you weren't going to use her actual moveset. Robin is more than enough representation for Awakening. Dr. Mario is fine, because it's the Melee moveset.
Next gen, same results.
Next gen, same results.
So tha's why the EVA stuff, I should have known.
Everything I want to get today seems to be in stock at my local gamestop, today could be a good day.
When I first played Melee, I didn't know who Nes was, didn't really care, I actually didn't really know Shiek despite playing OOT, I didn't get far enough to find out, but I immediately understood "Oh a Zelda Character, aaaand she is also Zelda, I guess that's a plot thing at some point, cool."
Not really a big deal.
Not really a big deal.
Eh... Clones usually exist when they have a model, but not enough time to give them their own moveset. Which is probably why clones tend to be less cloney if they make it to the next game.
With all that said, I think people are mostly angry about Dark Pit than anyone else.
Glitchesarecool
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Is this one of those things only Woolie and Matt could care about?
Glitchesarecool
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I hope his credit is "Maxamilian Dood"
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