Super Mario Maker: Not all tools available from the start, unlock over 9 days
- Thread starter ElectricBlanketFire
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The 9 day restriction isn't going to prevent that from happening in the slightest.
Corronchilejano
Member
The game designer?
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
People who want to make bad levels are going to make bad levels regardless of the rollout.
For some people it's the principle. Imagine an NBA that unlocked one NBA team a day or an action game that unlocked one level a week. This is very different from DLC. The content is done and they've arbitrarily set this 9 day waiting period before all content is unlocked instead of developing an actual in-depth, interactive tutorial.
Juke Joint Jezebel
Member
Yup. No matter how much time you spend drip-feeding people content to use, there are still gonna be a whole bunch of people who'll make shittily designed "unfair mario" or "Kaizo Mario" type games.
Wowfunhappy
Member
Oh, but I'm sure you can make very good levels (and very bad ones) that use a wide variety of items. But in the aggregate, if everyone uses tons of "special" items, the levels might start to feel same-y.
This could encourage people to use more basic items as opposed to special ones.
TheSlySoul
Member
I would say it is like Pokémon. Imagine you could only catch 1 Pokémon a day.
Pretty sure it wouldn't have taken off...
Again and? I don't seem to recall Nintendo handing out flyers when the DK arcade game first came out, telling me how I should do each level to have fun with it. I just put a quarter in and started having fun.
...I like that.
I'm the kind of person who gets a tiny bit miffed when all the characters in a fighting game are unlocked from the start. I realise that's a minority opinion, but still. I like unlocking things, and having less to focus on at the start makes for a smoother entry into a game.
Day 1 still.
I'm the kind of person who gets a tiny bit miffed when all the characters in a fighting game are unlocked from the start. I realise that's a minority opinion, but still. I like unlocking things, and having less to focus on at the start makes for a smoother entry into a game.
Day 1 still.
Juke Joint Jezebel
Member
"Come back tommorow to play the yellow scaffold level with converyer belts!"
I sort of feel like this is a smart move.
Often times when I start an editor I put the dumb shit in first and don't design something that is good. Then I stop because there is just too much to deal with.
With a limit on the tools it probably allows the player the ability to actually create something playable rather than just fart a jillion bullet bills on the screen.
Often times when I start an editor I put the dumb shit in first and don't design something that is good. Then I stop because there is just too much to deal with.
With a limit on the tools it probably allows the player the ability to actually create something playable rather than just fart a jillion bullet bills on the screen.
Lord Azrael
Member
What's the implication here? That Nintendo introduced time-locked content to appeal to low-functioning adults?
Seriously, what does being an adult have to do with hating the practice? I don't even disagree with you, but the way you said it makes no sense.
This is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. LBP got by just fine...though it also had a pretty huge campaign to unlock stuff during I guess.
Still, if I was Nintendo, I'd want people making/publishing the craziest shit they could day one...you just know there's some nerds out there that have been designing courses ahead of time.
Still, if I was Nintendo, I'd want people making/publishing the craziest shit they could day one...you just know there's some nerds out there that have been designing courses ahead of time.
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
Yeah, instead they'll insert a jillion Koopa Troopas.
It'll help beginners make more decent levels, people who want to make nice, fun levels and not lazy, overly challenging ones.
Well, I'm going to use my time with the basics to better understand flow and level design, since I've never really had the chance to put any knowledge I have from playing platformers all my life to practice. It will be interesting to see what I've retained while messing around with the basics. I'll be gradually extend into other other techniques as it rolls out.
Call me a defender if you like, even if I do also think it's disappointing but at least I can think positively on ways to use what I have. Restriction usually bring about more creativity anyway.
Call me a defender if you like, even if I do also think it's disappointing but at least I can think positively on ways to use what I have. Restriction usually bring about more creativity anyway.
Juke Joint Jezebel
Member
Fuck that, there's Pirahna Plants on the first day! Make the whole floor Pirahna Plants, with no stars to pick up, insta-death upon playing each and every time!
Yeah seriously. The same people that made this game that you want to play thought that the slow roll-out would be best. Why are you trusting them with one thing but not the other?
Doesn't work like that.
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
Whoa whoa slow down buddy. Stars aren't available until day 2.
This is literally a game where you design games.
WE'RE the designers.
If the concern is quality, why have the minimum playtime be 5 minutes per day? People will become competent level designers in 45 minutes?
But the content isnt being unlocked by complication or skill level.
Its just being unlock by time just because. Nothing is stop you from borking a design, or a troll from upload a crap level on day one
Coffee Dog
Banned
I'm pretty sure you played Donkey Kong the way nintendo wanted you to, lol.
Having everything available day one doesn't prevent people from making nice simple levels.
In a best case scenario, it seems like part of Nintendo's insistence on designing every single game as though it is the first game the player has ever encountered. It's nice that they are accessible, but they crossed a line during the Wii generation where it becomes unenjoyable because you're being held back. That's what this feels like, a concession so that children who have literally never touched a game can play it. Which is great. As an option. They just never make it an option, it's always mandatory.
In a worst case, more cynical, and probably more realistic scenario, they're just trying to reinforce a habit by making people play every day.
That's all GAF seems to want to make too. Everyone keeps citing Kaizo Mario here, so I don't expect anything different from novice strangers online or GAF.
balladofwindfishes
Member
Pokemon is a really poor example. They've had Pokemon that could only be caught on specific days, like Thursday. Or only during specific hours. The season system also locked out some Pokemon to specific seasons that took a certain amount of real time to pass. In Diamond and Pearl you could only move 6 Pokemon a day from the GBA games.
Actually, I played the bootleg game, Crazy Kong much more than the actual Donkey Kong. So no, no I didn't play the way Nintendo wanted me to. Sorry.
It gives people time to get used to what is available though. To ensure people make more quality levels.
So... Day 1, we'll make simple levels without "modern" gimmicks se we'll have to be creative to make clever designs and mazes, or neat platforming (learning about the jumps for example). Also we'll learn to combine enemies with super mushroom and pipes and put wings to everything. The levels uploaded this day will be classic SMB platforming (with different difficult levels, lengths...). I think it'll be cool to have a bunch of these kind of levels mixed up with the more complex ones we'll be creating most of the time.
Day 2 is a bit disappointing update, because it's mostly power-up's, but it's an obvious one that needs to be early.
Day 3 is a bit like SMB 2-3 water level with bullet bills and secondary platforms.
Day 4 is about castles and more difficult enemies like hammer bros.
Day 5 reminds me SMB3 Ship levels
Day 6 has the ghost houses enemies and some elements that will make more complex levels (P-switch and doors).
Day 7, 8 and 9 are about some SMW elements and new ones like the one-way-pathway that I don't remember in any 2D Mario game (correct me if I'm wrong). I'm a bit sad I won't have mushroom platforms until day 7...
It's not that bad, but a 7-day update would be way better (day 1 and 2 items for day 1, and 7-8-9 in the same update also).
There's probably a anti cheat system like pokemon. Changing the time may make you to wait an extra 24 hours+.
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
Because I shouldn't have to use a workaround to access all the content?
I don't want to give Nintendo any ideas, but after this announcement, I would totally pay for an day 1 "unlock all" DLC...
I just need to be vigilant of playing the game for five minutes every day for 9 days. I can see myself forgetting or not having time to play one day, extending the unlock period to 10+ days. I already have nightmares forgetting to talk to Sable in Animal Crossing New Leaf and having to wait even longer to unlock the QR code machine. I hope it doesn't work like that in Mario Maker.
I just need to be vigilant of playing the game for five minutes every day for 9 days. I can see myself forgetting or not having time to play one day, extending the unlock period to 10+ days. I already have nightmares forgetting to talk to Sable in Animal Crossing New Leaf and having to wait even longer to unlock the QR code machine. I hope it doesn't work like that in Mario Maker.
You play for about 5 minutes and get a notification that you've unlocked more game elements have been unlocked and will be delivered tomorrow. Tomorrow comes and you get these new elements, play for 5 minutes, get a notification, etc.
Basically, 5 minutes of play or so every day over the course of 8 days. On the 9th day, you should have everything unlocked.
Supposedly.
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
Such as?
it's such an easy workaround that who cares? It's so unimportant.
There's nothing insidious about it. It's just a time thing. You aren't being price gouged. It's all free and they want people to "anticipate what's next"
Captain Europe
Member
It's a big annoyance, I get a lot of uni homework, I just want to pick a day and enjoy the game, not have its content heavily limited.
Maybe you can set the timer to a day, play for 5 mins, then repeat that 9 times. If it works you'll have everything unlocked in about an hour.
Juke Joint Jezebel
Member
Good point. I expect droves of insta-death troll levels on the first day! The ultimate 100 Mario challenge!
"I'll just buy the game 9 days later!" is the big one I've been seeing. That's a case of "people read the title and not the OP", though.
Ovek
7Member7
Wait is it some stupid timed crap from when you first launch it? If so how incredibly ridiculous, regardless Nintendo still saved me money but instead of them getting less now they won't get anything.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
I dunno, a power star unlock seems silly.
