ElectricBlanketFire
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Super Mario Maker: Not all tools available from the start, unlock over 9 days
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Velcro Fly
Member
I work M-F and I'll have this game in my hands Friday after work
Am I wrong for being a little upset that I can't dive right in and make something crazy? I'm stuck in E3 2014 mode for half my weekend. Instead of throwing down Thwomps or Boo or anything I get Koopas and question blocks for a whole day.
It's just mind bogglingly dumb. There is seriously no reason. 9 days isn't going to make people suddenly better at making levels.
Am I wrong for being a little upset that I can't dive right in and make something crazy? I'm stuck in E3 2014 mode for half my weekend. Instead of throwing down Thwomps or Boo or anything I get Koopas and question blocks for a whole day.
It's just mind bogglingly dumb. There is seriously no reason. 9 days isn't going to make people suddenly better at making levels.
Shuggananas
Banned
That's just plain pointless. It's just 9 days but it's just pointless too.
justjustin
Member
After thinking about it for a bit, it's interesting what the results are of doing this. For the first nine days, players will learn together, sharing increasingly complex levels step-by-step and talking about every new element as it arrives. It's a short, one-time cultural event that represents the evolution of the series and lets people explore the possibilities together. The player-designed levels will showcase the progression from simple to complex.
So if you want to engage with other players in the "early days" of Super Mario Maker then that's motivation to be active for the first nine days of release, and if you don't care about that then just pick at it when you want, or wait nine days to get the game.
Also, the reason I see it this way is because it can't have anything to do with directly babying players or "forcing" them to learn something. If it really was an attempt to teach players directly, the nine-day limit would be for every individual, not until September 20th, or whatever the end date is.
edit: I see I got it wrong. It's actually nine days for every individual purchase. I just didn't believe they would do that even after reading the OP!
So if you want to engage with other players in the "early days" of Super Mario Maker then that's motivation to be active for the first nine days of release, and if you don't care about that then just pick at it when you want, or wait nine days to get the game.
Also, the reason I see it this way is because it can't have anything to do with directly babying players or "forcing" them to learn something. If it really was an attempt to teach players directly, the nine-day limit would be for every individual, not until September 20th, or whatever the end date is.
edit: I see I got it wrong. It's actually nine days for every individual purchase. I just didn't believe they would do that even after reading the OP!
The Lamonster
Member
It's nine days after YOU start playing it.
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
People can make Mario levels legally now. We're not landing on the moon here.
This is brilliant. It'll help throttle the onslaught of "Put every block in it!" levels and instead lead to a gradual escalation of level design.
A smooth and natural way of encouraging players to start with something simple and then complicate their levels over time, sort of like each new set of unlocks is an additional "World" in the game.
A smooth and natural way of encouraging players to start with something simple and then complicate their levels over time, sort of like each new set of unlocks is an additional "World" in the game.
The Lamonster
Member
This isn't how it works, and you're stretching your brain too much trying to defend another stupid decision coming from Nintendo.
EatinOlives
Member
When all else fails, just insult the people you don't agree with. You instantly win the argument!
Oh my bad. Still, I think it's relatively minor, I'll just do what the game tells me.
hokagespit
Member
How annoying, more so than the lbp tutorials at least I could rush through those. So after I buy it and install it, nine days later I will have full access?
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
Because the levels would be garbage without 9 days of intense game design training.
My issue is more so that the amount of content available early on doesn't warrant me playing more than 5 minutes a day. Trust me, I want to play this game.
A Link to the Past
Banned
Which is why there is a rating system to help people find good levels.
Velcro Fly
Member
I would much rather do tutorials. At least it's something. 9 day wait? So kids that get the game on Christmas have to wait until January to make real levels?
Games like these you pay with skill/repetition or you pay with time or money. No one really wants to make their level editors feel overwhelming to new players so all assets are made as rewards to those who continue or play through some story mode, or purchase in a shop.
Disney Infinity, you pay with in-game currency, this you wait a day, in others you have to unlock them through your own skill. I'm not seeing any the problems at all to be honest. What's so boneheaded about this decision that's really no different from many others?
Disney Infinity, you pay with in-game currency, this you wait a day, in others you have to unlock them through your own skill. I'm not seeing any the problems at all to be honest. What's so boneheaded about this decision that's really no different from many others?
shaowebb
Member
Its 9 days with only a 5 minute investment required per day. I think you can manage. Hell I could manage with just crazy block setup for platforming and a few enemies. Besides the first few days will have all the preloaded stages to enjoy on top of the maker main feature so don't act like you are being shafted. All this does is make people spend a little bit of dedicated time on handfuls of tools in the beginning so they show more creativity with them later on. Otherwise it'd likely just be a clusterfuck of folks dumping nothing but enemies on everything early on. Its a good way to make people think and learn about design by limiting them to a different set of concepts per day starting out.
Ah okay so they want players to be warmed up and prepared for what's to come. Gotcha.
gamerMan
Member
Hey Mario World wasn't built in a day. It took 9 days. That's better than Rome. This is not a big deal though there should have been a way to unlock everything just to satisfy everyone. Something as simple as would you like to unlock everything.
At any rate, I think this is a good idea. It forces you to use the given tools really understanding how they work. I like the idea of getting an new toy everyday because each added element can completely change how you design levels. I'm sure this came out of play testing. People must have been building crap because they didn't understand the fundamentals of the pieces.
At any rate, I think this is a good idea. It forces you to use the given tools really understanding how they work. I like the idea of getting an new toy everyday because each added element can completely change how you design levels. I'm sure this came out of play testing. People must have been building crap because they didn't understand the fundamentals of the pieces.
Load the game up. Create a level using the tools for five minutes. In-game prompt tells you that you've unlocked the next tier and they will be delivered tomorrow. Either continue playing or turn off game. Wait for the next day. Rinse and repeat.
Because it's 9 days total based on when you start playing. So if you get the game Day One, the 20th. If you get it 9 days later... it's the 29th.
Maintenance
Member
Super Mario Maker: Boot camp edition.
TheSlySoul
Member
You got to play with the editor 5 minutes a day to get all the content.
5 exciting minutes of putting blocks and goombas and more blocks.
A Link to the Past
Banned
I don't play Disney Infinity so
What?
1. It unlocks after nine days of play
2. People who have it pre-ordered - some already paid in full - are probably thinking "nah, I don't really want to have to wait 10 days" even if that was an option.
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
Yes. I can and will. I'm multitasking by also be critical of something I don't like about the game.
I don't feel shafted. I want to use all the tools.
Where are these interpretations of criticism coming from?
I was joking.
I guess Id have preferred a shorter unlock drip (the days where you're just getting like 3 things is ridiculous) but as far as gating things in level editors go, this is way less annoying than the bullshit in the Disney Infinity games where you're either beholden to a roulette wheel or spending stupid amounts of time in the single player gathering money to be able buy your way through level part tech trees.
Doctor_Thomas
Member
What an odd, arbitraty limit to place... "we have these tools, but you can't use them until we say so."
A Link to the Past
Banned
EatinOlives
Member
As I explained in a previous post, the problem isn't a progression of unlocked content to ease people into increasingly complex game design (because that's everywhere in games these days), it's in the rigidity of it. This system isn't even a "reward" system because things unlock whether you use them or not. The game doesn't actually make you use those new assets in any kind of skillful manner. All you gotta do is log in for 5 minutes.
Shuggananas
Banned
Well actually for people who don't intend to makes stages at all it's a good option
This will only bother people who intend on doing stages
gee I really wonder lol
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
What are you getting at?
Doctor_Thomas
Member
You could unlock allthe content in one evening without waiting nine days?
LBP was also only, mostly, cosmetics. None of the core tools were locked, outside of a short tutorial.
shaowebb
Member
Meh. I see anything that forces folks to get creative with a few tools at a time as a good way of forcing folks to learn level design. From what I've seen with stuff in game making classes back in college, if you give people a lot of options right out the gate they only focus on the loudest ones and miss a shitload of core design strategy. Forcing them to take it slow and to really learn how to utilize only a few tools at a time is something that was really needed for this "maker" game concept to shine. Doing it with such a low investment of time over so few days will help push folks into this sort of creativity with all the tools and not just a select few. In the long run it'll serve to make the experiences they have in the game of higher quality because its training them to be more creative with every tool than they may have initially been.
Stupid.
I wouldn't put it past them to have some kind of check to make sure you aren't advancing the clock manually. Thankfully a quick search showed it's easy to take the clock battery out.
So I'll boot the console, set the clock, boot the game, screw around 5 minutes, save, exit and power down. Then repeat 8 more times.
I wouldn't put it past them to have some kind of check to make sure you aren't advancing the clock manually. Thankfully a quick search showed it's easy to take the clock battery out.
So I'll boot the console, set the clock, boot the game, screw around 5 minutes, save, exit and power down. Then repeat 8 more times.
Because it didn't take 216 hours to unlock a few dozen tools?
Fudgepuppy
Banned
They could've just done a 9-part "campaign" that teaches you to create a world with different types of stages, unlocking tools as you go along. At the end, you get to keep all the tools.
Really the point is, there is no best way to handle content rollout of assets for level editor games and each have their own major flaws that will always upset a lot of people. Few want it all at once, a majority may feel overwhelmed by having it all at once. That's why you see so many make them unlocks, purchasable, wait times, etc., etc., in a variety of games.
Good points, and it comes down to each type of method having its own major flaw and why there is no best way to handle it.
A Link to the Past
Banned
Because
1. It had a robust single-player adventure mode that supported four players
2. You had a LOT more freedom to create things at all points in the game (like, I would say that a person can do some pretty damned complicated things with just the starting tools)
3. You unlocked things through play and skill, not waiting
EatinOlives
Member
Because it doesn't take 9 days to complete LBP's campaign?
It's a really obvious distinction.
LBP's locked content was almost entirely aesthetic, and could be unlocked in an afternoon. These are full gameplay mechanics locked behind multiple 24 hour waiting periods.
justjustin
Member
lol no, I was thinking of a shared experience people can have for only a limited amount of time, like how the early days of MMOs or other online games had a certain non-repeatable culture built around it. This is a smaller version of that.
Sorry if I got it wrong. I thought every day a new set of options would be available for people to use and after a certain calendar date everyone had access to everything. But yeah I am stretching my thinking because from my perspective I don't really see the point, and I'm trying to think from Nintendo's perspective, not justify it.