IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I'm surprised that Excitebike assist trophy was removed from Smash 4.
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I'm surprised that Excitebike assist trophy was removed from Smash 4.
I dunno, Bayonetta goes p-r-e-t-t-y far. Her torture attack (Also, again, "Torture Attack") for Joys is a barbaric, sexual bisection device that Bayo personally binds/pushes the Joys into. And IIRC, she also individually binds their breasts. Really, anything and everything about the Joys should have been more than enough to keep her out. And yet somehow, she's in a video game alongside Villager and Kirby.
Meanwhile, we have proof Scorpion/Sam & Max can be toned down: they both had Saturday morning cartoons in the 90s. The S&M one even captured the comics'/games' tone pretty well with a Y7 rating! And just like Bayo, we wouldn't see DanganRonpa executions in gameplay. Hell, they can throw in Travis Touchdown (Or maybe Shinobu; Grasshopper was on that list so maybe that Shinobu-led NMH3 is happening?), and a 4-way match between them will still feel like Smash... So long as you forget about their origins (Just like Snake & Bayo!).
Again, I'm only thinking these guys because of that list of Switch supporters (People didn't find Jade a weird suggestion after the BG&E2 rumors, right?), but who else would these companies add if they got involved with Smash? Would WB & TellTale join forces and share Batman? (Fake Edit: Oh, Spike Chunsoft was involved with Fossil Fighters?)
Hey, hey! I'm not the craziest one here anymore! That said, with Blizzard avoiding Nintendo and with Sony trying to push Crash, an Activision rep would almost certainly mean...
Sakurai fought to get us Classic Pac-Man when Namco pushed for Cartoon Pac-Man, didn't he? Plus Bayo & Cloud got special Alt. treatments. Maybe Good Spyro could be a costume?
That really surprised me, too. Sakurai seemed to love pushing Excite Bike/Mach Rider in Melee/Brawl. I wonder what happened?
Actually, Sakurai just asked and Namco was okay with it. He said that if Namco were to hypothetically force the modern design on him then he probably wouldn't have included Pac-Man.
balladofwindfishes
Member
I wasn't aware Sam and Max was meant for a mature audience, just assumed it was an everyone type thing.
I have no experience with the series beyond a couple of the TellTale games (including Poker Night) and some episodes of the show I watched on YouTube. Neither of these seemed particularly adult.
Were things a lot raunchier in the old Point n Click games and the old comics?
I have no experience with the series beyond a couple of the TellTale games (including Poker Night) and some episodes of the show I watched on YouTube. Neither of these seemed particularly adult.
Were things a lot raunchier in the old Point n Click games and the old comics?
The comics/Hit the Road got a little violent, but that's about it. Moreso in the comics, though. I mean, it was a Late 80s proto-Indie comic. Sam & Max was one of the relatively tame ones.
Sexuality's barely a thing, too; it repulses Max to even consider it.
Troubled Bat
Member
If Scorpion somehow got into Smash, you don't know how happy I would be. Not because it's a dream of mine, but because of Ryu vs Scorpion. 
Edit: I'd really love to see what Mach Rider would be able to do if they were included.
Also, what if Snake coming in brought Bomberman?
Edit: I'd really love to see what Mach Rider would be able to do if they were included.
Also, what if Snake coming in brought Bomberman?
Professor Beef
Banned
we already have cloud
Troubled Bat
Member
We have three Marths, we can have another Cloud.
Red Arremer
Member
Cloud and Isaac would likely be quite different. And even if Isaac was a Cloud clone... as pointed out, we have 3 Marths, one of which was paid DLC. We might as well have a Cloud clone.
Triforce141
Member
Takamaru, the guy has been considered for playable fighter by Sakurai twice.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Third time's the charm.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I kinda wish the 3rd party DLCs included an extra assist trophy, if only for consistency
like a Ken AT for Ryu, Rodin AT for Bayonetta, Sephiroth AT for Cloud.
they distribute pokemon movies and provided sound clips for gen 1
like a Ken AT for Ryu, Rodin AT for Bayonetta, Sephiroth AT for Cloud.
they distribute pokemon movies and provided sound clips for gen 1
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Let say if the rumor is actually real, I wonder if it meant anything for Rayman to be in Smash Bros?
Red Arremer
Member
What rumour?
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Ubisoft working on Mario X Rabbid Rabbits RPG.
Red Arremer
Member
I would say it doesn't mean much just yet, but if Ubi and Nintendo's relationship is improving in such a way, I don't think it'd be crazy to expect Rayman or some other Ubi character to happen down the line for Smash Switch.
As long as that other Ubi character isn't a fucking Rabbid god I hate those things
Bayonetta got in because we voted her in. It had nothing to do with how iconic she is.
And we all know the Ubi rep will be a Rabbid.
Red Arremer
Member
How many characters do you think we can reasonably expect? I feel like 5 seems very possible (2 returning veterans in Ice Climbers and Wolf, 2 Nintendo newcomers with Inkling and a Sun/Moon Pokemon, and what I call a "wildcard", i.e. anything goes). Do you feel I'm lowballing or thinking there'll be too much already?
balladofwindfishes
Member
Four or five is my guess
Troubled Bat
Member
If he got in, I'd totally be okay with it.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I'm totally okay with it if they used Rayman from Origin/Legend/Adventure. Those games are definitely best Rayman experience.
I want to set a safe expectation so I would go with 2-6 characters for Smash Switch Base or/and DLC (if there is any consideration for DLC characters)
I would love to see like 8-10 characters myself tho.
fredrancour
Member
woah. i don't think i could get past 10 without feeling like i'm writing impossible fanfiction. let's see
wolf
ICs
ivysaur
squirtle
inkling
gen 7 pokemon
snake*
chorus kids
takamaru
as much as I'd love to be able to add:
hector
golden sun rep
advance wars rep
young link with masks
skull kid
excitebiker
Mario Kart (with drivers waluigi and daisy)
alph and olimar branched into clones
ridley
i don't think i'm ever getting any of those things
*yes. i wouldn't be surprised to see a konami strategy shift from "possibly exiting the games business entirely" to "monetizing properties in the lowest-effort way possible."
Red Arremer
Member
To clarify, the "wildcard" in my potential roster of 5 is one of those:
- Another returning veteran (Snake or any of the cut Pokemon)
- A B-lister from a recent Nintendo game/series (e.g. Dixie or Cranky Kong, Captain Toad, Marine from Federation Force, someone from Project STEAM)
- A surprise retro character (e.g. Takamaru, Prince of Sable, K. Rool)
- A third party character
- A character taken from the ballot (may be anyone)
So, anything goes, really...
- Another returning veteran (Snake or any of the cut Pokemon)
- A B-lister from a recent Nintendo game/series (e.g. Dixie or Cranky Kong, Captain Toad, Marine from Federation Force, someone from Project STEAM)
- A surprise retro character (e.g. Takamaru, Prince of Sable, K. Rool)
- A third party character
- A character taken from the ballot (may be anyone)
So, anything goes, really...
balladofwindfishes
Member
The only guarantee for Smash 4 Switch is Pichu.
fredrancour
Member
wow i hadn't even thought of putting henry from STEAM on my stupid fanfiction list. that'd be awesome.
BassForever
Member
After Ice Climbers and Inkling I wouldn't feel confortable betting on any other new characters for Smash switch, today's rumor shot up Rayman a bunch imo if we get another 3rd party character he's now the most likely.
Red Arremer
Member
I really just want Wolf and Ice Climbers back. I don't care about anything else.
I don't care about anything else.I'll take Pichu in a heartbeat if it means it gets the joke character status and Puff gets finally buff'd.
balladofwindfishes
Member
Pichu is love. Pichu is life.
Also we'd have the entire Melee crowd in Smash (with Ice Climbers as well), with Toon Link filling in for Young Link since they're basically the same character.
Professor Beef
Banned
The only new character I would even contemplate putting money on is Ice Climbers.
balladofwindfishes
Member
tbh, I think Inklings are actually more likely than Ice Climbers.
I think both are getting in. But I wouldn't be surprised (just super disappointed) if ICs didn't come back. I'd be legit shocked if Inklings didn't get in.
Like a MGS zombie shooter and Virtual Console?
fredrancour
Member
balladofwindfishes
Member
Konami still releases old games on the VC occasionally. Stuff like Contra and old Hudson titles.
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
The only likely thing about Smash on Switch is that it's going to disappoint everyone let's be real
Because they're not adding Goku and Master Chief
Because they're not adding Goku and Master Chief
Something like that, yeah.
And like every Castlevania ever.
Dimitri LH
Member
Man.....I would be happy with any Castlevania character. They all seem pretty damn good and fitting for Smash (talking about playable characters here).
MrSaturn99
Member
I'm more surprised we haven't had a stage yet.
Troubled Bat
Member
If I had a choice to get a Konami rep, it'd be Bomberman.
I still don't know how Rayman is like on those games.
I still don't know how Rayman is like on those games.
If I had a choice to get a Konami rep, it'd be Bomberman.
I still don't know how Rayman is like on those games.
I mean, SEGA & Capcom have 2 reps...
IIRC it's just old school Rayman. He's just a goofy, devil-may-care protagonist without any character development beyond his animations.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
My friends and I had a discussion about Snake not being in Smash 4. I actually considered the possibilities that Snake not being in Smash might not be a result of Kojima and Konami fall-out. There are several plausible reasons that could lead Solid Snake miss his returns to Smash Bros Franchise
1. It could be a direct result of Kojima and Konami fall-out.
2. Konami could say no to any collaborations at the moment but I can't really see it because they could make a quick cash with Snake being in Smash Bros, along with those Amiibo royalties.
2. Nintendo and Konami actually tried to make a deal. However Konami tried to make unreasonable demands for a license deals which led Nintendo to bail out.
3. Sakurai already went on the record and say that he would drop Pac Man entirely from Smash Bros if Namco-Bandai would rather to see him going with new design of Pac Man. So I wonder if Konami would try to push Sakurai to include new MGS character in term of promoting their upcoming title(s). Sakurai decided to opt out.
4. Sakurai went on the record that he had to speak with all IP owners to see if they are completely okay with Snake being in the game due to how Snake played in Smash Bros. It's plausible that there are one or few owners speak out that they may not be comfortable with it.
Again, I'm unsure about the excuse itself because Bayonetta made her appearance in Smash Bros via DLC, and apparently everyone are okay with her being in the game.
5. anything could happens but we know Kojima asked Sakurai to include Snake in Smash Bros again but Kojima have no controls over Metal Gear Solid and Solid Snake IPs anymore because Konami stepped in.
It's plausible that it might not be Konami's fault this time.
There are more than 10 plausible characters right there because if Sakurai decided to chose some fan favorites from Smash Ballot. Here is a quick list but I would throw few unrealistic characters in there as well.
Solid Snake
Wolf
Ice Climbers
Pichu?
Gen 7 Pokemon (Perhaps Decidueye)
Inklings
Rhythm Heaven Rep
Impa
Takamaru
Paper Mario
Dixie Kong
King Rool
Ridley
Isaac
Style Savvy
Advance Wars
Excitebike
Geno
Rayman
Heihachi
PushDustIn
Member
It's a bit difficult to predict what characters will come as we don't know how long the development has been going on, and how many people.
If I had to choose 7... (a year development with a team slightly bigger than DLC, and they don't have to make two versions of everything)
Wolf
Ice Climber
Two most popular cut veterans. Wolf would be easier to add too.
King K. Rool, Inkling
Two ballot characters. New and old.
Decidueye
Promote Sun/Moon/Stars
3rd Party, and Retro Rep
3rd party would be a Japanese character as Sakurai believes Smash to promote Japanese characters. Resident Evil is a particularly noteworthy 3rd party that's not represented, but age ratings might cause issues.
For Retro Rep, I think Takamaru or Diddy Kong Jr. are the two natural choices. I have a hard time thinking of a hardware rep like Game and Watch, Rob and Duck Hunt. Maybe Sakurai will take my suggestion and add 9Volt to represent various newer Nintendo hardware
With more characters the list would change. Once more information becomes available, then we can make better predictions.
If I had to choose 7... (a year development with a team slightly bigger than DLC, and they don't have to make two versions of everything)
Wolf
Ice Climber
Two most popular cut veterans. Wolf would be easier to add too.
King K. Rool, Inkling
Two ballot characters. New and old.
Decidueye
Promote Sun/Moon/Stars
3rd Party, and Retro Rep
3rd party would be a Japanese character as Sakurai believes Smash to promote Japanese characters. Resident Evil is a particularly noteworthy 3rd party that's not represented, but age ratings might cause issues.
For Retro Rep, I think Takamaru or Diddy Kong Jr. are the two natural choices. I have a hard time thinking of a hardware rep like Game and Watch, Rob and Duck Hunt. Maybe Sakurai will take my suggestion and add 9Volt to represent various newer Nintendo hardware
With more characters the list would change. Once more information becomes available, then we can make better predictions.