They don't. You're talking about time constraints and a priority list of what characters should be worked on first.
Super Smash Bros. for 3DS and Wii U Thread 5: Yarning for Yoshi
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Lord_Byron28
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Lucario is very relevant. He had his own character arc in Pokemon X/Y and given that very few pokemon get any sort of spotlight is very telling. He's still used quite a bit in marketing and merchandise as well. He was used to market D/P, B2/W2 & X/Y.
I do agree that I wish Toon Link was reworked a little bit to make him more unique. I still have my fingers crossed for Ganondorf.
TheCongressman1
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Right. It's not literally 'slots', they don't have a set number of places of characters. But if they decide to cut a character, they have more time to put in other ones.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
That's why priority list exists for characters. Most of newcomers and popular Veterans are top of the list. when they ran out of time adding characters then the characters that are on bottom of list would get cut.
Nocturnowl
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Along with Dedede I think Little Mac is the best Neorice smash sprite yet, it catches that tough determination.
Clearly there's one way we can solve this dilemma, throw out your Toon Zelda theories, it's all about dual swords Toon Ganondorf alongside veteran TP Dorf, Zelda series duplicates everywhere!
Clearly there's one way we can solve this dilemma, throw out your Toon Zelda theories, it's all about dual swords Toon Ganondorf alongside veteran TP Dorf, Zelda series duplicates everywhere!
Haven't really thought otherwise since E3. I just hope that wasn't the full list of newcomers. (edit: I need to lay off the drugs)
PS: I can't wait for the shitstorm when Mii gets announced
Yea, that is a great sprite by Neorice.
Sorry if I sounded harsh in my previous post. I really don't like the whole "what characters do you not want to see return" as if that is something really meaningful. People can not like characters, but they shouldn't be selfish in wanting the roster to only appeal to them.
It also captures how small Little Mac is lol.
No matter how many times this is said, it will fall on to willfully ignorant people. :/
Yea, I could tell that's what you meant, but when it is worded like that, we're just going to get some people who interpret that stuff as Lucario replaced Mewtwo or something.
Sorry if I sounded harsh in my previous post. I really don't like the whole "what characters do you not want to see return" as if that is something really meaningful. People can not like characters, but they shouldn't be selfish in wanting the roster to only appeal to them.
MrSaturn99
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Serious question: how would you feel if this lovely piece of Yoshi's New Island music made it into the 3DS Smash?
If you stop and think about it for five seconds you'll understand why it wasn't.
That music is horrid. I get why someone was calling it a parody of itself.
feel free to submit that to shitposts, I don't mind
MannyToons
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I... I don... WHAT??
Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
Well, it's cause I don't much care about other fans of characters. As a gamer, not a game-maker, I have the luxury of only caring about my personal experience with the game! And Snake being there bugs me. I'd be happier if he were out. I can stomach him as a one time "oh he he it's Snake" novelty, but he does not need to be a regular. He can come and go, thank you very much.
MaverickHunterAsh
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Okay, so even if "slots" exist (and I'm not convinced), I think it's a safe bet that at this point, most if not all of us have at least one or two characters we're really happy about being in. We've all been pleased to some extent. What's with the mentality that "EVERY character must make me happy and fuck everyone else?" I don't personally care about Lucario, or Pikmin & Olimar, or Villager, or a couple of other characters. But that doesn't mean I view them as "wasted slots" because I recognize that (a) these characters are important to other people and (b) they're important to Nintendo's history/brand, thus they're not "wasted" just because they personally don't appeal to me.
I actually agree with you about Toon Link. I'm glad he's in at all, but he should have had his own move set from The Wind Waker/Phantom Hourglass/Spirit Tracks. I also agree that this is not the time to get into a clone debate.
I do disagree with you about Lucario, though. He had his own entire character arc in Pokémon X and Y, making him incredibly relevant and timely both to Pokémon and Nintendo. It's almost a given that Mega Lucario will be implemented into his move set in Smash 4 (Final Smash?), meaning that there really is no way you can argue that Lucario isn't relevant right now. He just is, and I don't think there's any reason his return threatents Mewtwo's return either.
More than that, though, you must have at least one or two characters you're personally really happy about in Smash, right? Then be happy about them. Why not do that instead of actively hoping for other characters to be cut (and, by extension, their fans to be disappointed, even if you don't actively want that)?
Then that's where we differ, I guess. I realize that Smash is a big deal to a lot of people and Nintendo fans, and I'd rather as many people as possible be pleased with it than just me. I've got my Mega Man, Rosalina, Toon Link, and Zelda... I've been spoiled already and am fucking over-the-moon hyped for Smash as a result, and it's a great feeling. I'd rather as many people have this feeling as possible than get five more newcomers/veterans that appeal only to me.
He got a Mega form in Gen VI and was one of the first shown regarding this new mechanic. Not only that, but he's a popular Pokémon and had a role in XY.
Zeeroid pls
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
lol poor zeeroid
You only needed to have a Super Mario Galaxy save file to unlock Rosalina.
But no one played Super Mario Galaxy though.
TheCongressman1
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I'm not saying you are wrong. I just think some people are being overly sensitive to people saying they don't really want a character in. Some people may be a little overzealous with outwardly wishing for cuts, too.
But it really doesn't matter in the end. The roster will not end up being completely tailored to a certain group. The series always has been fairly varied in characters.
Shadow Hog
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Why would anyone have a "do not want" list? That's dumb. I didn't want Wolf, but his inclusion didn't really make Brawl an inferior experience.
13 frames is just over a fifth of a second, not a twentieth.
Yes, but not about Mac.
Alt:
Okay, fine, you still want a Valentine's Day theme with this one? ''As Ganondorf and Bowser shook mighty hands, their eyes met for the first time. Initially thinking he got the better end of the deal, Bowser could suddenly only focus on one thing: the impressive fullness of Ganondorf's eyebrows, poetically mirroring his own. Ganondorf, meanwhile, had never felt the ironclad grip of a spiny turtle monster before, and was instantly impressed. As his thoughts wavered from his plan to defeat Link, he slowly began to wonder what his new friend's scaly arms would feel like gently wrapped around his shoulders…''
Frankly, I don't really get the mentality of not wanting specific characters in the game at all, whether they're veterans or newcomers. I don't think there's any character in Nintendo's roster or the available third-party roster that I hate so much that I would be vehemently opposed to their inclusion (which probably means there is such a character and I haven't figured out who it is yet, but still). Plus, I tend to find people who go on and on at length about how much they hate [character] exceedingly insufferable. Why focus so much on the negatives?
This isn't SomethingAwful, you don't need to use their swear filter. You're allowed to say "shitty".
Well, is not like Sakurai goes to Iwata and says "Hey so for this smash bros I think I'll get new characters, I'll decide how many later". They have a budget and a plan, and they have an idea of how many chars and modes they want to work on before starting the proyect. They could ask for more money/time to work on extra things like more characters, but time and money are not infinite, and they cant keep adding things forever. So a "slot" = time and money to work on a character/feature that could be used on other character/feature/testing time, and thats why people will go "they should have added ridley instead of wii fit trainer", meanign the time and money spend on making that character should have been used on that other character, if there were no slots any character and feature could get in.
Then again this is Sakurai, so Iwata is probably like "money is not a problem"
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
My favorite thing about the rosalina reveal thread is people claiming to not knowing who she is from a mario game that sold over 10 million on a video game forum.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
I like the idea of a bar where all the nintendo villains hang out.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
Whoa...
Just realized who the bartender is. Pretty clever.
Just realized who the bartender is. Pretty clever.
MrSaturn99
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Clearly you haven't watched the video.
Punch Out, Punch In, it's a pun.
Best part of this is Ridley drinking from a hummingbird feeder.
blitzwolf215
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Pichu
Young Link (the Melee version, a YT with mask transformation would be DOPE!)
Dr. Mario
Other than that, cuts should be against the law.
It's amazing how every video they push out for that game makes the aesthetics seem worse.
anotherVegan
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Wishing to the Star Road that Geno makes it in.
Shit, I thought it was just a play off of "punching in to work" (like clocking in) but this works on another level too.
theprodigy
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even if Sakurai flat out said there were 50 characters in the game, some people here would still deny it
not worth arguing that
not worth arguing that
You mean the one who has a major story point in XY and has been a major pokemon mascot for years.
You saying things doesn't make them the popular opinion, or gaf in general.
To be blunt, lucario is popular as all hell and is probably more important than any other pokemon you want in, in the eyes of the pokemon company and fanbase in general . And that's just it, you gonna have to come to terms with that. People en masse like that thing you don't like and the pokemon company is selling to them.
What was the full list?
Baron von Loathsome
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Those four plus Pac-Man and Mii.
ShockingAlberto
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I like Lucario because he isn't from Gen One, which is overrepresented in Smash.
Shadow Hog
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Are you trying to imply that "music" isn't shitty?
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
I think Lucario gets a lot of hate because he's from a recent, relatively young series.
But to put it in perspective, just because he wasn't around since RBY doesn't mean he's somewhat unqualified to be part of Smash. In a way he's like Wario or Yoshi, came in later in his respective series, but proved to be popular.
But to put it in perspective, just because he wasn't around since RBY doesn't mean he's somewhat unqualified to be part of Smash. In a way he's like Wario or Yoshi, came in later in his respective series, but proved to be popular.
I think its because pokemon has changed, and people need to point their disposition on change in a place.
So lucario, because the furries like him, or he is edgy ( what the fuck even is edgy now ), or he isn't important even though he sells shit or whatever dumb excuse of the day is.
Not sure who called him, but here's the Mac avatar.
Thank you very much neo! I called him months back, hopefully no one minds if I use it :3
Little Mac is my favorite and I have numerous world records for fights in Punch-Out Wii!!
PadWarrior
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Think I'm gonna pick up Punchout Wii this week.
Shadow Hog
Member
Didn't I'M FINISHED! have a claim on him? I don't have that big list on hand, so...
Neoriceisgood
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Thanks for the compliments on the Mac sprite!
I actually treat Newcomers as a leg up above the others so try to do my absolute best to make their sprites as solid as possible. Did so with both Rosalina & Lil Mac.
I actually treat Newcomers as a leg up above the others so try to do my absolute best to make their sprites as solid as possible. Did so with both Rosalina & Lil Mac.