MrSaturn99
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I like how Bowser now has a dash that actually makes sense.
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Karsticles
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Yeah, but are you a Bowser main? I am, and I am dropping him because of these changes. We have a dozen characters that punch and kick. We didn't need more.
Samus' bombs exploded on contact in Melee. It made them fun and worth using.
Hours Left
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Shirtless alts for everyone!
(Who goes to the gym! Sorry Luigi...)
Shell-less Bowser and Zero Zero Suit Samus.
Birthday Suit Samus
SliceSabre
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Birthday Suit Kirby.
That is already a thing. You thought he used a hammer, eh?
balladofwindfishes
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It's a fighting game. Bowser uses wrestler style moves now. There really isn't a wrestler sort of person in smash.
You seriously prefer bowser to sort of glide on the ground and look really awkward when fighting over looking like he does in game and using more appropriate styled moves?
Samus' bombs not exploding on contact are more true to Metroid.
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Melee/Brawl's animalistic, monster Bowser > The lame Saturday morning cartoon villain in the actual Mario games & SSB4.
Considering that Samus is already unable to crawl and lay bombs in morph ball form or charge in midair, I'll happily take a more fun character over slightly more accuracy.
I can't say I really dislike any of them but I like the new Bowser way more than the Melee one. I'll never understand why they made him like that in the previous installments...
you mean the best version, thanks super mario sunshine.
Also how long do you got to keep that avatar for that bet?
'cause he's a giant cool monster turtle thing who didn't really have a defined fighting style at the time melee came around. I'd be okay with the changes if we had a new giant monster that fights like a monster to replace him. hint hint
also Bowser's new nair is the dumbest thing. His old one looked rad.
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Until the game comes out.
There's animalistic and then there's old man hunchback turtle.
Seriously, he looked like he needed a walker.
Bowser in Melee/Brawl looks more like a poor helpless animal.
I don't know how this
gives off the vibe of a Saturday morning cartoon villain. I mean that is what Bowser is in the Mario games, but he can get real nasty in them, but in Smash, he has been more of a beast, and now his posture and movement shows that more.
I don't know how this
gives off the vibe of a Saturday morning cartoon villain. I mean that is what Bowser is in the Mario games, but he can get real nasty in them, but in Smash, he has been more of a beast, and now his posture and movement shows that more.
Kraid? Godzilla? Roy Koopa? Giant Bowser Jr?
Giant Bowser Jr. Yup.
JB-the-Hunter
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HAHAHAHAHA... HA
Melee/Brawl Bowser is garbage. He doesn't fit within his own series, he has no personality, his voice is generic as fuck and his design looks so wrong.
Bowser from the Mario games is sooo much better. He actually feels like he could be intelligent enough to command an army, yet he's still dopey enough that you'll never doubt that a cubby plumber could outwit him. He's not a mindless monster, he's a villain that lives up to the series that he represents. I will defend the REAL Bowser to the end of time.
IntelliHeath
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Hail to Wrestler Bowser!
Yeah, he was revealed at Nintendo World 2006. (or Space World 2006)
Yeah, he was revealed at Nintendo World 2006. (or Space World 2006)
Pretty sure it was inspired by the way he moved in SM64.
thechristoph
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I've seen some whacky arguments in this thread, but this is among the whackiest.
How about we play the game to judge if a character is good rather than basing him off his goddamn walking animation?
How about we play the game to judge if a character is good rather than basing him off his goddamn walking animation?
No, Bowser definitely didn't crawl on the floor in Super Mario 64 like some kind of shot animal.
I also don't remember him slashing with his claws/doing a supplex (in Brawl).
His Down-B originated from SMB3.
The only move I can see being inspired from SM64 is his Flame breath. I don't think Bowser had a continuos flame breath before, but I could be wrong.
Whoa is this true? That's really cool.
Karsticles
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Who gives a fuck about source material? Captain Falcon can't do anything but drive a car. I want to have fun, and timed bombs are useless.
Plus you have to recognize the inherent idiocy in arguing for material closer to the source while praising a new Bowser based on wrestling moves. We all know Bowser is known for his drop kicks and grapples in Mario games.
Aesthetics are important. Especially in a fan service game.
IntelliHeath
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Now we know more things about Customization. Apparently Palutena and Mii are getting unique moves for their customization, awhile rest of known characters getting variable version of their Special move sets.
Now, let go back to this picture.
I would like to believe that we might getting new up-aerial attack for Peach, but I could be wrong.
Now, let go back to this picture.
I would like to believe that we might getting new up-aerial attack for Peach, but I could be wrong.
I'd wager quite a lot of people do.
Now we know more things about Customization. Apparently Palutena and Mii are getting unique moves for their customization, awhile rest of known characters getting variable version of their Special move sets.
Now, let go back to this picture.
I wonder if we are getting new up aerial attack or what?
I think it's just a new, more colorful animation for her old one
Uhuh
I do. Do you seriously want every character to just have some random assortment of moves that have nothing to do with the source material?
Karsticles
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A lot of people are idiots if they think source material should determine how characters play.
Known for.
Is it really THAT hard to read the conversation and get context before responding? Is it?
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NeonZ
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His stance and voice were based on how he looked and sounded in Mario 64. Even the flamethrower is likely based on his attack from that game.
Ever since Brawl they had been tweaking him to match modern Mario games though, he's one of rare characters that actually became brighter and more cartoony going from Melee to Brawl, in spite of Brawl's overall art direction. They just didn't change his standing animation and voice until now.
Hm... I can't remember his running animation (IIRC, he did have a running movie in Mario 64, but I can't remember if it just looked like his standard walk but faster, rather than something like Melee's), but his old standing animation was definitely based on Mario 64. He didn't stand straight in that game either and generally looked less humanoid than in later 3d games.
What's that supposed to mean? Pit's Special Moves were based off his old moves (from Kid Icarus) in Brawl and now in SSB4 his Final Smash and some of the A moves (which couldn't be based off Kid Icarus by virtue of that game being a platformer) also are.
What an awful avatar quote.
IntelliHeath
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Uhhh? Why did you avatar quote him?
NeonZ
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Only in Sakurai's own Kid Icarus Uprising. He couldn't do that in the original game or the Gameboy sequel.
At the time of Brawl, Sakurai said that his concept for Pit in Brawl was basically like imagining what would happen if his character had been changed through the years like Link.
Mr. Smiley
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I'm pretty sure Brawl was in context of that avatar quote. But is that even fair in the discussion of characters who've had more than enough material to work with beforehand?
Not that it even matters in Karsticles' argument.
Not that it even matters in Karsticles' argument.
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Whenever I look back and see Yoshi's new dash attack
http://a.pomf.se/idtett.webm
I'm always reminded of this
http://a.pomf.se/mwxbbg.webm
http://a.pomf.se/idtett.webm
I'm always reminded of this
http://a.pomf.se/mwxbbg.webm
I did. The vibe I got from your post is that the source material isn't important at all. You used Captain Falcon as an example and even continued ridicule people who think source material is important in determining how a character plays
If I'm mistaken, then I apologize.
The bow blades were certainly unique, but three of his special moves were based off his game.
I'm not saying every single aspect needs to be taken form the source material! Perhaps Kartsicles agrees with that and I misinterpreted him.
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