Starphoenix
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I think more of his support comes from Toad fans who feel they can rally behind a distinct Toad now without ridicule.
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SenorArdilla
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So something like there being a distinct Waddle Dee.
Starphoenix
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Pretty much. Except with his own title, and a little more material to work with.
I agree with you. Toad as a character should feel distinctly like Toad rather than pulling away moves that could go to Mario or Luigi. I'm just saying that his moveset doesn't have to pull ideas exclusively from Captain Toad even though it could serve as a great foundation for one. Letting him overcome the jump limitation by giving him NSMB Wii's propeller hat or letting him handle bombs from Wario's Woods would give homage to the character's various appearances while at the same time giving a unique identity.
RomanceDawn
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Watch it turns out that Miyamoto green lit an entire Captain Toad game so Sakurai would finally see Toad as a leading man and include him in a new Smash 8 years from now.
Beelzebufo
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The new Toad game has unique power ups.
- Miyamoto - Rosalina
- Sakamoto - Samus
- Sakurai - Palutena
- Matsuda - Cynthia
Who's Aonuma's waifu?
Now I remember, so someone need to pay up with avatar bet since I just won.
Hey Fisheyes, let me know if you read this since I just won the bet .
Super super super late on his, I'm actually travelling around Europe at the moment. As bleak as this looks, I'm not willing to concede just yet, what if the 3ds version has the unlockable characters but the WiiU version doesn't? Did we have a contingency plan in place for that?
It looks like you'll be right, but I figure for your sake anyway we might as well make this payout in a couple of months, when I'm going to post enough that you can actually see me rocking your avatar anyway. If you're right. Which you won't be. Sakurai be trolling or something.
I think Koizumi has greater affinity for Rosalina than Miyamoto - after all, he did write her backstory and the details of her cat suit were specifically requested by him. For Aonuma...either Midna or Groose.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Hahaha, we didn't being specific enough with which version that we are betting on but I'm willing to expand it to BOTH version to be fair for both of us. We will see!
Having a distinct identity for Toad isn't really what caused people to think about the character differently. (It just did away with the "he's generic" label) Captain Toad has been around since the Galaxy games, and his own unique gameplay already existed in 3D World last year. I think the change in attitude towards him as a playable character in Smash really comes mostly from Nintendo committing to the character. Bowser Jr. and Waluigi have been popular candidates for Smash, yet they've wavered in appearances over the years.
Meanwhile Toad has been a constant in the series. Nearly every modern Mario game that features multiplayer (NSMB, 3D World, Kart) has had Toad as a playable character. If that wasn't enough, Toad is now going to feature in a full retail game (+ Amiibo toys) from EAD Tokyo with his own gameplay and power-ups to pull from. Before E3 he was one of the many possible choices for Mario newcomers in Smash, and now after E3 he is being talked about as one of the most popular newcomer ideas period for a future iteration of Smash Bros.
Ugh. ZSS hate rising....
I swear she's just Sakurai's character now. You can tell he adores her. Meanwhile, regular Samus, you know, the one that's actually Samus...
Sometimes I think Sakurai just needs to go make a fighting game similar to Smash but with fully unique characters. I mean especially the newcomers in this one, Wii Fit Trainer, ZZS, Palutena, Mii Fighters, hell I'd even say Pac-Man and Rosalina, are pretty much original characters just for Smash at this point but just with skins we recognize. Chorus Men will be too, considering they have little to nothing to base a moveset on.
I'm not saying I dislike his work on Smash at all, but fuck man. It's as obvious as Kojima needing to go make a damn movie already.
But how many? We've only seen the Pick so far, unless there's a trailer out there I haven't seen yet.
I'm not saying there isn't anything they can do for the character, I'm just left wondering why he's got so much support when most of his game is still under wraps.
You could have said this for the space animals, Falcon, Game & Watch, Pit, Zelda, Sheik, ROB or the Ice Climbers. Why is it a bad thing that he's being creative with the depictions of characters?
Beelzebufo
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How is Palutena like an original character?
I actually have no idea what this means or what you're asking for here.
...like, you want unoriginal movesets or something? I don't get it.
Palutena's special moves are taken from Uprising.
Practically all of Wii Fit Trainer's attacks are pulled directly from Wii Fit.
Pac-Man's special moves are adapted from the Pac-Man arcade games and Mappy.
Rosalina's moveset is based on Galaxy's mechanics (especially Co-Star Mode).
I really don't know what you're talking about. All of the newcomers revealed so far have very fitting movesets that are completely in-character.
Geminosity
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Personally I enjoy watching a Marth player having to make an actual effort. It must be an alien experience for them
Ok, I'm partially joking with that. At low levels Marth gives out a lot with very little learning though and some characters seem to really struggle against his mix of reach and speed that makes it difficult to get in. At first I thought it was because I didn't know the character but a few matches merely emulating what I'd seen others do quickly proved far too effective, even against the Marth I was mostly copying
Exactly. We wouldn't have near the amount of characters if liberties hadn't been taken with their abilities and designs.
The argument that ZSS is an "original character" could have easily been used for Fox and C. Falcon in the original game.
SoldnerKei
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I know it's a technicality, but it was so hilarious to read
I doubt Sakurai adores her, it's just like Sheik, her properties makes her a good character, if not she would be at the bottom with the zelda crew in brawl, ZSS is just too good, and I like that
why is so hard for a man to wear a tiara and get some respect?!Personally I enjoy watching a Marth player having to make an actual effort. It must be an alien experience for them
Sakurai is a mystical fae, and the game is developed with his fairy magicks. If he doesn't truly believe in a character, it cannot attain power.
Baron von Loathsome
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I didn't mean it in a bad way. If there was any aggression in there it's just that I'll naturally always dislike ZZS's inclusion. (Happy for her return though for fans of her in Brawl.)
Obviously if he can make characters like Wii Fit Trainer and Chorus Men work, the man knows how to make interesting characters. And god bless him for Snake's moveset, really. Seriously beautiful.
I'm just mean that I feel like that's what I think his next step should be. I feel like he's growing out of Smash, and a more original project for him could be an exciting direction. He seems to want to focus more on creating "new" characters. I mean look at KI : U. Yeah sure that was a "sequel" in a very lose term, but that was his game. All of those characters in that game whether they existed before or not, he made his. And they were all very well done. And that game fucking rocked. Imagine what he could do if he was fully cut loose? I mean shit Hades instantly became one of the coolest villains in Nintendo history, and as far as I know that was all Sakurai.
Similar to how I'm psyched as hell for MGS5, but at certain times when playing GZ I'm thinking, "Jesus Kojima, just go to Hollywood. At least try it. It's obvious you're aching for it."
ZSS is basically an OC outside the stunning attacks.
She kinda has to be, since her only playable appearances play basically the same as the Power Suit but worse. It's kinda like playing as a Link where your only weapon is the wooden stick.
And then wooden stick Link turns out to be way, way better than Link because Sakurai hates Link and will never let him be good.
She kinda has to be, since her only playable appearances play basically the same as the Power Suit but worse. It's kinda like playing as a Link where your only weapon is the wooden stick.
And then wooden stick Link turns out to be way, way better than Link because Sakurai hates Link and will never let him be good.
Beelzebufo
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Wooden stick Link?
I miss your old avatar already.
OricWindstar
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That green bowser skin is so sick! New Bowser is such a great upgrade.
Also, not that I'm surprised, but is that the first time we're seeing Town and City at night?
PadWarrior
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Yeah new Bowser is looking very good.Can't wait to play as him. And I believe you are right about Town and City being seen at night for the first time.
It was just a comparison. Zero Suit Samus in the Metroid games is the equivalent of Link armed with a wooden stick, so Sakurai had to give her new weapons.
If that was directed at me, I was making a joke about Link always sucking. Not Samus.
Poor Link, maybe he'll be better this time.
SenorArdilla
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Wooden sticks for Link.
SenorArdilla
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Bowser looks so good.
It'd be awesome if Sakurai could balance Bowser. The Project M team has had tons of trouble with the character.
I think my post earlier made people think Sakurai was balancing characters biased-ly and that's not what I meant. She's looking powerful, but there's still plenty of time before release. Who knows what she'll be like once the meta gets broken down.
I just think think the time and care he's put into her along with other characters that are borderline original (which don't get me wrong, is very awesome) makes me want to see him build a roster of new characters, and it seems like he wants to as well.
Also, ZSS in Smash can just suck a fat one on my end. So I have bias towards that. She will always seem like a character Sakurai just made rather than Samus to me, and one that brings down power suit Samus no matter what the tier lists look like. Good for Sakurai, but I'd rather those type of characters be in another original game. And I'd be psyched to see them.
I was going through Sakurai's Twitter timeline and read an interesting bit of trivia from a few years ago: apparently the term "Zero Suit" was invented for Brawl by a Nintendo of America employee. Sakurai wasn't sure what to call the bodysuit version of Samus, and someone from NoA suggested "Zero Suit Samus." The Zero Suit name was then made canonical in later Metroid games.
TwEE-N-Toast
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Aβydoς;119901442 said:
It better be, and a better way to share levels online then Brawl's.
RomanceDawn
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How interesting. We need a big art book with trivia like this.
kinky.
When was the Zero Suit referred to by name in a Metroid game? I can't actually think of a time it was, even in Other M.
I'm sure it was referred to as such in Prime, and Zero Mission, I think.
What did suitless Samus ever do to you?
Shadow Hog
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Clean:
So what's about an "announcement" after Smash at EVO? It's shown up on their schedule:
It's not tied to Nintendo specifically, and there's another generic "announcement" event immediately after Marvel, so I highly doubt it's anything important, but...
So what's about an "announcement" after Smash at EVO? It's shown up on their schedule:
It's not tied to Nintendo specifically, and there's another generic "announcement" event immediately after Marvel, so I highly doubt it's anything important, but...
Zero Mission came out before Brawl was even announced, and I can't think of a moment it was referred to as such in the Prime trilogy.
PadWarrior
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I'd love a book like that.
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