Captain Rage Quit 69
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There might be some custom balance changes, as what happened in 3DS 1.0.4. Didn't certain custom moves get timing changes and stuff?
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There might be some custom balance changes, as what happened in 3DS 1.0.4. Didn't certain custom moves get timing changes and stuff?
direct_quote
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I think top tier recovers should be severely nerfed. It seems like all the top tier characters have the easiest way to recover, while say Marth, Lucina are terrible and have terrible gimpable recoveries...
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I'm kinda hoping for big changes for the underused character but I have a feeling that this update might just be a minor change similar to the previous updates. =/
I can't man, it's 5 in the morning here and I'm half asleep so I'll be playing really bad. I played someone here like an hour and a half ago and couldn't concentrate at all. I really want to play you too since you've been asking but I want to be playing at my best. The different timezones make it really difficult to play against most of you. I think realistically the only way we can play properly is on the weekends. I have this week off though so if I see you online I'll challenge you if you're free.I wouldn't mind seeing some minor tweaks to the upper tiers and some buffs to the lower personally.
We will see though!
Are you interested in playing a bit Ricky? I've been unsuccessful in catching you so far
I can't think of any other top tiers with a safe recovery except ZSS and Shiek? I guess maybe Pikachu as well but it is possible to knock him out of quick attacks.
Anonymous Tipster
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No problem man, we'll play sometime! I was working all day today so that doesn't help either haha.
I'll keep an eye out for you online!
Karsticles
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Rofl @ that end.
DQ, use utilt for ledge guards, not B.
DQ, use utilt for ledge guards, not B.
Captain Rage Quit 69
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Welp, that was something.
GGs guys, I played as best I could with those characters, and that double KO between me and DQ was something to behold.
GGs guys, I played as best I could with those characters, and that double KO between me and DQ was something to behold.
Karsticles
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GGs guys. I am pretty proud of my day 2 Samus. I had way more fun than playing Bowser, which is frustrating in 2v2. I have to learn to deal with rolls better, though. I am used to having it easymode against roll spam.
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Ggs guys, if anyone else wants to still play 1v1 or 2v2 I;m game..
Lol what even happened there is my question. Did I hit you and you hit the fire hydrant?Welp, that was something.
GGs guys, I played as best I could with those characters, and that double KO between me and DQ was something to behold.
I felt like I was doing better with Robin with your Samus, than Palutena for some reason.. Palutena feels gimmicky to play as sometimes..
Karsticles
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I am surprised the connection was so good, Beats. It felt better than when we 1v1!
I also liked Lucina with Samus. Definitely did not like Dorf.
I agree. Part of it is that when you play Palutena, you just zip everywhere, and you tend to run into stuff like Samus' Charge Shot. Robin, on the other hand, tends to stay at the edges at the screen. However, her Arcfire tends to friendly fire when I play Bowser, because I can't control my screen positioning well. When I play Samus, I can usually try to be sure that I'm not in the line of fire. She's much more flexible and mobile.
I also liked Lucina with Samus. Definitely did not like Dorf.
SoldnerKei
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someone up for some 1vs1? customless FG is no fun :c
Karsticles
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Customs enabled for For Glory would be an amazing surprise from Sakurai on Wednesday.
How is Japan taking to customs? Anyone know?
I'll play you, Kei. I wanna mess around with some customs myself. Hoping I don't SD with Ike so much...
SoldnerKei
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alright, you host pls :'D
Room's up! Join whenever.
Karsticles
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Falling under the stage with him makes my head explode.
direct_quote
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I was like 3/3 with Dorf
.. But yah I don't play him.. Lucina for met at least is more direct in her offense (less punishment based), and if she got buffs I'd probably main her..
SoldnerKei
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man, that Ike fart had more wind than anything wario can come up with lol
what did you said about SDs? xD
edit: ok, nevermind nothing happened lol
what did you said about SDs? xD
edit: ok, nevermind nothing happened lol
Karsticles
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It's more that I found it difficult to play Samus because I had to worry about Dorf. He is big and slow.I was like 3/3 with Dorf
Also, if a slow homing missile is ever coming toward you, roll behind it. It will switch targets to someone else. Then use it to shield your approach. Don't sit on it and shield or open yourself up trying to run away.
SoldnerKei
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Masked Man
I said wow
Still a lot of resistance, it seems. All the large-scale tournaments I've seen have excluded both customs and Miis. :/
SoldnerKei
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well, that was a good revenge thou, tech didn't came out like it did with MK ;-;
Karsticles
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Then Sakurai probably won't balance them. IIRC, he tends to take his ques from them.
NamikazeBurst
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Yoshi is big in Japan, right? I've never seen him in a Western tournament, but I fear Sakurai will nerf him
Karsticles
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I feel like Yoshi is really fair, though. He's the kind of character that should set the standard for "strong, but not stupid or crazy".Yoshi is big in Japan, right? I've never seen him in a Western tournament, but I fear Sakurai will nerf him
Honestly, the only thing I want nerfed is Sonic's ability to completely control the match flow. I don't even know how that can be fixed, but it ruins the pacing of the game. I think that Hoo Hah is fine, as is Sheik. Just buff other characters to compete with them. Though I'm not a fan of Diddy and ZSS's ability to use horizontal and vertical recovery options without any lag or punishment. It makes ledge guarding them extremely hard.
SoldnerKei
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SoldnerKei
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oh TWILT you gonna pay so much for that last one! xDD
ok, I should have seen that coming, like 2hr ago haha
ok, I should have seen that coming, like 2hr ago haha
SoldnerKei
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I KNOW! little pink guy can survive a nuke
I thing power arrows are not so good against zelda xD
SoldnerKei
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man, Zelda sure has some tools to shut down Link... scary woman
last two TWILT kinda late over here
last two TWILT kinda late over here
NamikazeBurst
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I agree, but Greninja was popular in Japan and got nerfed, and he wasn't as good as Yoshi. I also agree with Sonic needing some nerfs. I don't even know how I damage Sonic, it just sometimes happens. He is impossible to approach and avoids everything.
Masked Man
I said wow
Yeah, I think they will remain largely untouched.
---In the future, do you plan on adjusting or balancing the game further through a patch?
Sakurai: We don't have any such plans, but at the very least we will be working on a few things connected to the online play experience, bit by bit.
If we were to do something like tweak characters' customized special moves, then there'd be no end to it. But with that said, if there are any glaring issues, we may address them.
(Source)
Yoshi is big in Japan, right? I've never seen him in a Western tournament, but I fear Sakurai will nerf him
I see a lot of Yoshi players online, so I think people are generally aware that he's a really solid character with lots of quick, safe, high-priority options. I played a Yoshi last night and it was extremely irritating, lol. Dat nair is too good.
That said, the team already balanced him with 1.0.4, and despite my own personal frustrations with the matchup, I don't think he's overpowered at this point in time.
I'm with you there! Sonic is the one matchup that always sets me off.
And I agree about Diddy and ZSS having unnecessarily good recovery options, but it's really satisfying to purify them mid-flip with a well-timed Usmash.
Karsticles
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I know exactly what you mean. I feel like Sonic is so safe that the people who play him take it for granted, so they do dumb things and get hit. I don't even know how I beat Sonic players, and I tend to. There's one player I'm thinking of in particular, and he pretty much does:
Down B charge
WOOSH
Jump
Up B (to make the springer land on me)
Down A
Run away
Down B charge
And that's like his whole game. It's actually far more difficult to deal with as Bowser than it should be. I get around it eventually, but it's such a test in patience. I would ADORE for Sakurai to change the character so that he has to actually learn how to play the game and learn things like what a neutral is. Every other character in the game has to sit and play footsies with Bowser, and it takes a ton of skill. Except for Sonic. He just mashes down B and rolls on to free offense.
It's part of why I want to switch to Mewtwo. I want to just throw a charged Shadow Ball and say "fuck you" to Sonic players that stare me down half a screen away while mashing down B because Bowser has NO options against it.
Really, Mewtwo only needs one thing to make me 100% happy: quick recovery on his teleport. That's it. Give me that, and I can tolerate any weakness he has.
SoldnerKei
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ok, now real last one TWILT xD
Captain Rage Quit 69
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Oh my god if they give Mewtwo a teleport with a quick recovery and Sheik-tier invincible frames and an actual combo game I am maining him so hard <3
I fucking love characters with mobility and projectiles, makes spacies and Mario Bros. a blast to play.
I fucking love characters with mobility and projectiles, makes spacies and Mario Bros. a blast to play.
Karsticles
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It drives me nuts that they didn't show it in his video. -_-
Man, when are those codes going out, anyway? :/
SoldnerKei
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as usual GGs games TWILT, your Ike is looking more solid each time I play against him, the other games were pretty fun too, damn Kirby shenanigans lol, those pikachu games went kind of messed up on the last games, I guess is quite late for both of us to stay focus xD again GGs!
yeah, I know, but last two felt like we just wanted to kill each other in fancy ways xD no time to think, just kill!!
mwhaha, fun games, gonna learn some character to counter out your pika, I know I have won against it with Link but it's hella hard!
Ahhh, kept messing up my jab lock setups those matches. Ah well, I'll be sure to learn it better in time for our ranbat set.
GGs Kei! Fun matches as usual. Lots of crazy stuff happened. The Pikachu vs Zamus matches were really fun!
yeah, I know, but last two felt like we just wanted to kill each other in fancy ways xD no time to think, just kill!!
mwhaha, fun games, gonna learn some character to counter out your pika, I know I have won against it with Link but it's hella hard!
Captain Rage Quit 69
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Wednesday, my friend. On Wednesday we will know everything.
Or at least we should get the update around noon PST, so there's that. :/
Karsticles
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Before I go to bed...I am caught up in hype, so I am going to post this:
10 Reasons I Am Pumped For Mewtwo > Bowser:
1) I am no longer a free gimp.
2) I am no longer uniquely combod by everything.
3) I will have more than 1 safe move.
4) I am the only character with a KO projectile and reflector.
5) My throws will KO faster (lol).
6) I will have safe ways to land.
7) Ledge chasing is no longer suicide.
8) My only spike won't kill me too.
9) Landing a grab will not let my opponent kill me.
10) No stupid "mash recovery" gimmick.
Things I will miss:
1) Fortress. So goddamn good.
2) The best fucking taunts in the game.
3) The hypest kills available. Shield breaks galore.
4) Breathing fire on fools.
5) Explaining how to deal with a spiked turtle at locals.
10 Reasons I Am Pumped For Mewtwo > Bowser:
1) I am no longer a free gimp.
2) I am no longer uniquely combod by everything.
3) I will have more than 1 safe move.
4) I am the only character with a KO projectile and reflector.
5) My throws will KO faster (lol).
6) I will have safe ways to land.
7) Ledge chasing is no longer suicide.
8) My only spike won't kill me too.
9) Landing a grab will not let my opponent kill me.
10) No stupid "mash recovery" gimmick.
Things I will miss:
1) Fortress. So goddamn good.
2) The best fucking taunts in the game.
3) The hypest kills available. Shield breaks galore.
4) Breathing fire on fools.
5) Explaining how to deal with a spiked turtle at locals.
After playing a little after a couple days away, I think I'll just wait for the patch before playing more. Playing Bowser on FG without dash slash is discouraging (I try not to use klaw now, but straight replacing times when I'd klaw with Bowser bomb doesn't work without the help of the pressure dash slash gives me), and playing Diddy is a gamble until I know what the patch does to him. Incoming 2-day break I suppose.
I have a couple replays I'll take video of tomorrow and upload. Remember how I posted a bit back about meeting a dude in FG who was really good, and beat me with multiple characters? Turns out that guy is the same one who got 2nd place behind Zero in the Norcal Regionals last weekend. So I've gotta get video of it before the replays get screwed up by the patch. Though I'm getting beaten in them, perhaps other Bowser players will find them useful for study. I was playing pretty well IIRC, but I was outclassed.
I have a couple replays I'll take video of tomorrow and upload. Remember how I posted a bit back about meeting a dude in FG who was really good, and beat me with multiple characters? Turns out that guy is the same one who got 2nd place behind Zero in the Norcal Regionals last weekend. So I've gotta get video of it before the replays get screwed up by the patch. Though I'm getting beaten in them, perhaps other Bowser players will find them useful for study. I was playing pretty well IIRC, but I was outclassed.