Mr. Smiley
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I'm contacting Nintendo to make this canon.
I'm contacting Nintendo to make this canon.
Ruin? Is this sarcastic?
What are the criteria for gauging how bad something is for Smash?You wish. Project M is the worst thing to happen to Smash if you were to ask me.
You wish. Project M is the worst thing to happen to Smash if you were to ask me.
You wish. Project M is the worst thing to happen to Smash if you were to ask me.
How is a totally unofficial and optional mod the worst thing to happen to Smash?
You wish. Project M is the worst thing to happen to Smash if you were to ask me.
What are the criteria for gauging how bad something is for Smash?
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Pic of the Day: Now that the shitty 3DS Version is out and you suckers bought it hook, line, and sinker, here's a pic of the Ice Climbers, exclusive to the real Wii U Version.
Project M is wonderful and helped to bring new life to a dying game, making Brawl into more than it was. Like, some of the changed aren't amazing (PM!Lucario, as interesting as he is, simply isn't a Smash-style character), but it's undeniable that it has brought a lot of people a lot of fun that they wouldn't have had otherwise. To say that something like that, something that lets people enjoy a game that was fundamentally broken for their level of play, couldn't possibly be the worst thing to happen to Smash.
Also that Duck Hunt comic is adorable.
don't compare Melee to that jankey mess project m.Project M fractured the user base and created an unrealistic expectation that Sakurai would never want to live up to, all to appease a group that wanted a remake of the previous version. Not to mention how insulting it was to drop entire character's original play style because it 'didn't fit'.
So yeah, it did breathe new life into Brawl; by cutting out it's organs and replacing them with Melee's.
Project M fractured the user base and created an unrealistic expectation that Sakurai would never want to live up to, all to appease a group that wanted a remake of the previous version. Not to mention how insulting it was to drop entire character's original play style because it 'didn't fit'.
So yeah, it did breathe new life into Brawl; by cutting out it's organs and replacing them with Melee's.
The userbase was already fractured by Brawl - by Sakurai taking a game that had a strong competitive scene and doing his damnedest to make it as noncompetitive as possible (see: tripping). PM breathed life into a userbase that was, worst case, in risk of dying and, best case, would have been just as fractured with competitive players still sticking to Melee.Project M fractured the user base and created an unrealistic expectation that Sakurai would never want to live up to, all to appease a group that wanted a remake of the previous version. Not to mention how insulting it was to drop entire character's original play style because it 'didn't fit'.
So yeah, it did breathe new life into Brawl; by cutting out it's organs and replacing them with Melee's.
What exactly about PM is janky? Not trying to start anything - or anything more than I've already started by rustling the beehive that is the Smash fandom's opinions PM - I'm legitimately curious.don't compare Melee to that jankey mess project m.
This is awesome.
I really love the aesthetic that Duck Hunt brings to Smash. That "western cartoon" feel.
Tomorrow is a Wii U screenshot. I bet.
Was about to post this!
This is now canon.
Man if we get a 3DS PotD...lol.
I feel like giving my impressions of the demo....but ive been tired all day. @_@
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Duck Hunt to be the spiritual successor to Banjo-Kazooie?
Ahh come on SmashGAF, now i feel kinda bad for hating that dog lol
Is there a wallpaper version that's larger than 1280x720?Wallpaper version
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don't compare Melee to that jankey mess project m.
They got people interested in Brawl again. That alone should be applauded.
The userbase was already fractured by Brawl - by Sakurai taking a game that had a strong competitive scene and doing his damnedest to make it as noncompetitive as possible (see: tripping). PM breathed life into a userbase that was, worst case, in risk of dying and, best case, would have been just as fractured with competitive players still sticking to Melee.
The unrealistic expectation for Smash 4 as a competitive game was hardly PM's fault and would have happened regardless - Nintendo said from the onset, both officially and through avenues like the E3 tournament, that Smash 4 was intended to be more competitive. What was the competitive Smash game that people would naturally draw comparisons to? Melee. Anyone disappointed that Smash 4 doesn't play more like Melee isn't disappointed because of PM, they're disappointed because of poor conveyance on Nintendo's (and possibly Sakurai's) part.
When making a cohesive game, sacrifices have to be made, inherently. Smash 4 sacrificed transforming characters, PM made its own sacrifices. You don't have to like the sacrifices, of course, but it's unrealistic to look at a mod that drastically changes the basic physics and functions of a game and expect it to keep all the same playstyles from the base game.
Brawl was dying. It needed an organ transplant, and it just so happened that the most immediately accessible organs were some pretty damn good ones, ones that - for the purposes of competitive gameplay - were objectively better than the old, dying ones.
What exactly about PM is janky? Not trying to start anything - or anything more than I've already started by rustling the beehive that is the Smash fandom's opinions PM - I'm legitimately curious.
Very nice! Although I'll be sticking with my four-character lineup that Mysterious made.
I don't know, I could use another helping of 3DS menus before we start on the Wii U menus.it's probably gonna be another 3DS pic lol...please just don't be another fucking menu shot T-T
That is some weak imagination you have. This roster isnt even half as good as what I was hoping for.Very nice! Although I'll be sticking with my four-character lineup that Mysterious made.
It's amazing to see the whole roster. All those months of speculation. And it turned out even more awesome than I imagined (albeit with some tough cuts like Ice Climbers).
Ah, so you see it as, more than anything, a violation of Sakurai's artistic vision? I can definitely see where you're coming from. There's a certain amount of validity there, and a very real amount of fear of people taking something one creates and bending to their own will.That was his prerogative after Melee was taken in by the competitive community, which was counter to what he wanted. Hence why he tried to make Brawl more of a party game. I don't agree that he was right to do so, but it was his game and it was his decision to do so. And P:M has created an unrealistic expectation, as now that the game's out and, surprise surprise; it's not exactly like Melee was, you've got people complaining and stomping back to P:M. Sakurai wanted to make a competitive Smash by HIS vision, not have his vision appropriated and made competitive.
You'll forgive me, but it was my understanding that transformations weren't sacrificed, they were intentionally dropped. and P:M started out with good intentions but then it grew and started consuming it's 'parent' game in order to achieve some twisted vision. That was not for P:M to decide what should and shouldn't be 'allowed' in a game they had no hand in. And maybe that's my issue with all this; I hate the idea of mods that change a game to its fundamental core, as it's an insult to the years of work that were put into the original project. It wasn't there place to decide what should and shouldn't be allowed to work in their Frankenstein's Game.
Bowser Jr. in the Clown Car with all seven Koopalings as alts, Duck Hunt referencing Hogan's Alley and Wild Gunman, Wii Fit Trainer in male and female forms, the previously ruled-out Villager, the addition of Mega Man AND Pac-Man, Robin and Lucina instead of Chrom, three types of Mii Fighters, etc., all make it more exciting than what most people were anticipating in the roster prediction thread, IMO. Greninja was another pick that is totally awesome but caught nearly all of us off-guard, although I didn't include him because we hadn't even seen him yet when roster predictions begun.That is some weak imagination you have. This roster isnt even half as good as what I was hoping for.
Yes, anyone expecting Wii U PotDs will likely be disappointed. They need the game to sell on the 3DS first. We don't even have the Wii U release date, officially!Honestly I don't see much wii u PoTD until the 3ds version is out in all major territories, once that said and done Sakurai will probably focus more on wii u menus![]()
Let the 100 day's of menu's continue.
I wish I shared your enthusiasm, but only Megaman and Palutena interest me even remotely. Robin would have been cool of all the alts were in. I appreciate this roster much like I can appreciate an attractive man. In theory, but without attraction.Bowser Jr. in the Clown Car with all seven Koopalings as alts, Duck Hunt referencing Hogan's Alley and Wild Gunman, Wii Fit Trainer in male and female forms, the previously ruled-out Villager, the addition of Mega Man AND Pac-Man, Robin and Lucina instead of Chrom, three types of Mii Fighters, etc., all make it more exciting than what most people were anticipating in the roster prediction thread, IMO. Greninja was another pick that is totally awesome but caught nearly all of us off-guard, although I didn't include him because we hadn't even seen him yet when roster predictions begun.
Yes, anyone expecting Wii U PotDs will likely be disappointed. They need the game to sell on the 3DS first. We don't even have the Wii U release date, officially!
I doubt we will get more menus, though. Logically, I think Sakurai will show off stuff you can do in the game now that people might not think about, like pocketing Villager's tree.
I wish I shared your enthusiasm, but only Megaman and Palutena interest me even remotely. Robin would have been cool of all the alts were in. I appreciate this roster much like I can appreciate an attractive man. In theory, but without attraction.
Smash user beware you might be in for some rough times like these folks
im making sure to be extra careful now..