Super Smash Bros Wii U & 3DS Thread 4: New Year, Old Arguments

The graphics actually look pretty darn good. That outline effect.

It's irritating. People keep shitting all ovee it because it's not on the more powerful system.

The graphics are basically the same as the Wii U game, just downgraded to work with 3DS. The models are excellent as are colours.

The games have no gimps at all, and this is very far into development.

Sure, have an opinion but these "3DS is shit", "3DS is limiting roster" comments really need to fucking leave.
 
What? So when people say: "I would like to se X in this game" are they totally stupid? Wasn't this a forum?

People at least back up their choices at least. You? Not so.

You haven't given me one valid reason on why there shouldn't be more women in this game. Stop filtering it by gender.
 
You know what

If they're gonna rep the Kalos starters

Fuck having "varied stages"

Gimme Delphox, Greninja and Chesnaught

And go all Trine in them
 
God grief at the Smash purchase thread:

"I hate 3DS because the graphics"
"3DS is stealing all Wii U trophies"
"Smash on 3DS is shit"

Please, play before you judge it.
Don't forget "3DS makes the Wii U version get half the content" :lol
IMO the 3DS version looks really good and I'm excited to get both.
 
The 3DS version looks incredible.

The problem is going to be playing it like this:

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No, but they are stupid when they say "I don't want to see X in this game because I don't like X", even if other people like them.
Why? I'm not saying "Sakurai please, cut Rosalina/Zelda/WFT out". I'm talking about what I would like to see. I'm going to use all of them, and if they are going to be cool, I will enojy my time with the game. Why are people getting mad about this? Did it really sound so sexist? I'm sorry.
Say it with me, "THERE ARE NO SUCH THING AS SLOTS! A CHARACTER EITHER GETS IN OR DOESN'T DUE TO WHETHER THE CHARACTER IS CONSIDERED GOOD FOR SAKURAI BASED ON VARIOUS FACTORS, AND IF THERE IS ENOUGH TIME!"
And how do you know that? I mean, Nintendo is clearly aiming to more fans since the DS, and they realized that girls like their products. In fact we see more ads with girls, more pink consoles and also more games with female characters or for girls. Super Mario 3D World has Peach and Rosalina because of that, it's clear and they said that. So when I look at Smash Bros. I see a lot more female characters than expected. And I start to think that maybe, there are reason for that, and that's beacuase they want more people to play the game. They say this everytime. Is that bad? NO. Is it what I wanted? No. BUT, in the end I already explained that the gameplay is the important thing, I know it, but is there something wrong, again, about wanting something different? I'm not boicotting. I want Shulk. But then maybe he's going to suck. Who knows?

People at least back up their choices at least. You? Not so.

You haven't given me one valid reason on why there shouldn't be more women in this game. Stop filtering it by gender.
I said that females in Nintendo games tend to suck, in my opinion. I said that I would be ok with Ellie from TLOU or Elizabeth from BI, but this isn't Sony of Microsoft, It's Nintendo. End.
 
Enough female characters. I mean... stop.

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Are you serious? We still have few female recurring characters that started appeared after Super Smash Bros. Brawl's release, such as Dixie Kong, Palutena, etc.


Definitely a new move set. I think her staff will be her main "gimmick."

Maybe something like...

Standard attacks - graceful staff jabs/twirls, shield bashes
Smash attacks - short range bursts of light from her staff
Standard special - orb projectiles from her staff
Side special - probably something from her Uprising boss battle
Up special - floats around (like Pit's Brawl recovery, but without wings)
Down special - Mirror Shield (Pit already has a new down special)
Final Smash - Centurion Army (with Pit getting a new Final Smash)

Rosalina uses her wand to control Luma and to cast cosmic magic, Zelda summons fire and electricity from the palm of her hand, and Palutena would use her staff to cast light. There's surprisingly very little overlap between the three.

Well, I would like to see Palutena would have an ability to summon Centurion like I mentioned in previous thread. It was almost similar concept as Rosalina, but it work differently. I had the idea way before Rosalina and Luma got confirmed.
 
Say it with me, "THERE ARE NO SUCH THING AS SLOTS! A CHARACTER EITHER GETS IN OR DOESN'T DUE TO WHETHER THE CHARACTER IS CONSIDERED GOOD FOR SAKURAI BASED ON VARIOUS FACTORS, AND IF THERE IS ENOUGH TIME!"

say it with me, "you are fucking stupid for thinking there are not slots"
 
You know what

If they're gonna rep the Kalos starters

Fuck having "varied stages"

Gimme Delphox, Greninja and Chesnaught

And go all Trine in them
I still don't get why people think why PT would have Kalos Pokémon this time, we didn't get Sinnoh starters in Brawl. The Kanto starters were the first and most iconic.
 
Doesn't have to be Red. Can be another trainer, like Serena. They seem to be enjoying cashing in on her.
 
It's irritating. People keep shitting all ovee it because it's not on the more powerful system.

The graphics are basically the same as the Wii U game, just downgraded to work with 3DS. The models are excellent as are colours.

The games have no gimps at all, and this is very far into development.

Sure, have an opinion but these "3DS is shit", "3DS is limiting roster" comments really need to fucking leave.
Honestly, I think I prefer the 3DS version's graphics. For whatever reason they look bolder, more textured -- almost hand-drawn at times. It's a really attractive look, and it clearly plays just as fluidly as you'd want it to play. It's incredibly impressive, and I seriously doubt either version is compromising the other, especially since Smash is a tried-and-true framework at this point, and the games are both being built around the same roster of characters.
 
Honestly, I think I prefer the 3DS version's graphics. For whatever reason they look bolder, more textured -- almost hand-drawn at times. It's a really attractive look, and it clearly plays just as fluidly as you'd want it to play. It's incredibly impressive, and I seriously doubt either version is compromising the other, especially since Smash is a tried-and-true framework at this point, and the games are both being built around the same roster of characters.
You're right.
Smash for 3DS's artstyle is sexy.
 
You haven't given me one valid reason on why there shouldn't be more women in this game. Stop filtering it by gender.

For me personally Id be cool with no more female reveals. This thread is a bit of an echo chamber for a certain type of fan, who feels very strongly about certain female Nintendo characters. It can get a bit weird.

Now if they wanted to add somebody like Minda riding a wolf or somebody like that Id be cool with that.


Anyways I don't think their will be any slots left when the rest are going to be filled with the only Kid Icarus character worth a damn.

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I always figured Palutena would implement grind rails into her move set. She can create them, after all.
Wow, this is an excellent idea! The grind rails wouldn't have to be her Up Special, though. In fact, it might be more fun for Palutena's Up Special to put her into a goddess "flight" mode, and for her Forward Special to have her dash forward on grind rails, closing the gap between her and her opponents, if not steamrolling them altogether. :)

You know what

If they're gonna rep the Kalos starters

Fuck having "varied stages"

Gimme Delphox, Greninja and Chesnaught

And go all Trine in them
I was resistant to this idea until you framed it in terms of Trine and it all clicked. I'm only lukewarm to the Trine games but I can totally dig where you're coming from, given the warrior/mage/ninja trio formed by Chesnaught, Delphox and Greninja.

Still, I'd also be cool with Chespin, Braixen and Greninja. I'd say those are generally the most popular of each evolutionary stage (among the starters), and they also each have a type advantage over their counterpart on Red's team (Chespin > Squirtle, Braixen > Ivysaur, Greninja > Charizard).

Of course, the trainer itself should be Yvonne, with her black over-the-knee socks. <3
 
We still have no idea how the Wii Fit stage works huh

I was resistant to this idea until you framed it in terms of Trine and it all clicked. I'm only lukewarm to the Trine games but I can totally dig where you're coming from, given the warrior/mage/ninja trio formed by Chesnaught, Delphox and Greninja.

Still, I'd also be cool with Chespin, Braixen and Greninja. I'd say those are generally the most popular of each evolutionary stage (among the starters), and they also each have a type advantage over their counterpart on Red's team (Chespin > Squirtle, Braixen > Ivysaur, Greninja > Charizard).

Of course, the trainer itself should be Yvonne, with her black over-the-knee socks. <3

Personally I think the final starters of Kalos work well with each other unlike the older starters. It helps that they have a theme going on that is consistent. Gen V has a theme but it's... loose (historical warriors - European royal fighter, Chinese general, Japanese samurai).
 
Wow, this is an excellent idea! The grind rails wouldn't have to be her Up Special, though. In fact, it might be more fun for Palutena's Up Special to put her into a goddess "flight" mode, and for her Forward Special to have her dash forward on grind rails, closing the gap between her and her opponents, if not steamrolling them altogether. :)


Glad you people like the idea! Been putting this in my Palutena move set since last year and haven't really gotten a reaction out of this idea until now.
 
Safe to assume tomorrow will be a Wii U pic, what would you guys like to see?

It'd be awesome if Sakurai uploaded some 10 second or so gameplay GIFs. :P
 
Why? I'm not saying "Sakurai please, cut Rosalina/Zelda/WFT out". I'm talking about what I would like to see. I'm going to use all of them, and if they are going to be cool, I will enojy my time with the game. Why are people getting mad about this? Did it really sound so sexist? I'm sorry.
No you weren't, you were talking about characters you do not want to see along with characters you do want to see, and then claiming some BS reasoning that the character you don't like getting in will mean the character you like won't get in.
And how do you know that? I mean, Nintendo is clearly aiming to more fans since the DS, and they realized that girls like their products. In fact we see more ads with girls, more pink consoles and also more games with female characters or for girls. Super Mario 3D World has Peach and Rosalina because of that, it's clear and they said that. So when I look at Smash Bros. I see a lot more female characters than expected. And I start to think that maybe, there are reason for that, and that's beacuase they want more people to play the game. They say this everytime. Is that bad? NO. Is it what I wanted? No. BUT, in the end I already explained that the gameplay is the important thing, I know it, but is there something wrong, again, about wanting something different? I'm not boicotting. I want Shulk. But then maybe he's going to suck. Who knows?
Because Sakurai has said it in countless interviews he looks at what the characters can bring to the series, and how they can stand out. Nintendo definitely would like to get more people to play, but they won't shaft Sakurai's development policies just for that goal.

He's also glad that he can put more female characters because there was basically only 3 in Brawl.

Also, read this post as to why people are pissed off:
It's utterly astounding that people are all too happy to take shits on characters they don't like being in the game or even having a chance at being in the game. Not because they're actually taking away a chance at another character or there's competition or something: You just don't like the character and can't seem to help but think "fuck all their fans, I don't like the character and therefore they're not worthy of being in Smash Bros and should be removed." I will concede that I take a few too many shits on one character (Toon Link) in a fashion similar to this, but I'm going to make a point not to do that anymore after coming to realize how obnoxious it actually is.

Shocking revelation: You are not the entire audience for the game: you pissing and moaning over a character does not invalidate all the other people that wanted to see the character in the game. You don't have to play as the character if you don't want to (at least not for an extended period of time) , and watching/ beating the shit out of something you don't like or care about isn't going to hurt you. Stop acting like this is some inexcusable affront directed at you that needs to be redressed.

Normally I can tolerate SmashGAF's nastier days, but these kind of "discussions" that pop up are basically emblematic of everything I find wrong with a lot of the posters on Gaming side: Nothing is ever "fine" or something you feel apathetic towards or needs a bit of improvement: Nay, it is either magnificent or an abomination. "Perfection", as the ideal to be pursued is only defined by what you yourself liked or cared about and not what actually addresses the needs or wants of the greatest number of people or could open up new possibilities.

Not many of you here are actually like this, but the fact that we get posters that do this stupid shit frequently enough compelled me to speak up. These sorts of arguments are never productive and after hundreds of these deals that never change peoples' minds everyone should know better than to get into them, because all they ever do is whip up bad blood in a crossover fandom already notorious for it.

I apologize if this was a tad overbearing, but this is something I have absolutely no patience for. If this is a banworthy offense, I accept my punishment.
I always figured Palutena would implement grind rails into her move set. She can create them, after all.
Would be a cool recovery move.
 
We still have no idea how the Wii Fit stage works huh



Personally I think the final starters of Kalos work well with each other unlike the older starters. It helps that they have a theme going on that is consistent. Gen V has a theme but it's... loose (historical warriors - European royal fighter, Chinese general, Japanese samurai).

I'm pretty sure that we got the concept for Wii Fit Stage. It's more of Game and Watch stage theme.

Mirror background with floating balance boards.
 
Yeah, the mirror alone will make the Wii Fit stage plenty interesting. :)

Yep, and I really like how simple the stage is. It's really nice to see how they would use mirror in the game because Wii Fit always give you two opinions if you want to see the example of exercises front or back. It was an awesome reference.
 
It hasn't, I'm concerned about it though. What was the last game that supported it?

Samurai Warriors Chronicles 2nd, unless I missed something. The CPP is pretty much dead.

Although Sakurai included every possible control scheme imaginable in KI:U and Brawl, so he might go out of his way to include support.
 
I don't see this post in Miiverse, but it would certainly sound like they are indeed adding the finishing touches and adding more content. This would also explain the more UI-related pic of the day. We might even be able to draw some concept or theme of how the game's UI will look, based on that background.

how do I upoload a screen cap from the miiverse site.
 
"Waifu" and discussions around that I honestly find rather insane. A character that doesn't actually exist in real life is something one deems their personal wife in which they have no communication with at all and then proceed to to have discussions about it on forums such as:

"My waifu is the most kawaii"
"Your waifu sucks"

In jokingly it's pretty hilarious, the sad part though is that people actually are serious about them being their "waifus" and mean what they say as if the character is real. Even if real it would be like calling a random person on the street your wife.

So yeah, INSANE.

Yeah, probably.
 
It's irritating. People keep shitting all ovee it because it's not on the more powerful system.

The graphics are basically the same as the Wii U game, just downgraded to work with 3DS. The models are excellent as are colours.

The games have no gimps at all, and this is very far into development.

Sure, have an opinion but these "3DS is shit", "3DS is limiting roster" comments really need to fucking leave.

Don't let it bother you, you'll have portable Smashing and they won't in the end =) Seriously though, Sakurai has already shown what he can pull off on the 3ds with Uprising, and I'm pretty sure not many people who played through the game thought that the 3ds was capable of so much.

Also, a fighting game shouldn't be based on how technically impressive it is, but on how much fun it is! Bleach: Dark Souls is my favourite non-Smash fighting game simply because of how it feels when I'm playing it (notwithstanding that I really like Bleach, but then again my brother loves that game too and he's never seen or read Bleach) and easily trumps SFIV, SF2, MvC3, MvC2, BlazBlue, and MK in my mind simply because of how much fun it is. I have a feeling Smash will be the same case, not that it doesn't already look technically impressive for the handheld. I think Sakurai was talking about Bowser recently, and how he was simply focusing on making Bowser feel fun above all else when balancing him.

Wow there's been a lot of drama in Smashgaf over the last few pages =S I feel I'm one of the people getting mentioned as a "I don't like X, so X shouldn't be in the game" so I should defend my viewpoint and hopefully do it in a way that doesn't insult or anger anyone. I don't like Pacman, I really, really don't. Yes, my personal feelings are that he shouldn't be included in the game, and that's fair since they are my feelings, after all. If someone does want Pacs in, and is hyped for them, then all the power to them =) I think because this is a forum dedicated to Smash we should be allowed to discuss why he should or shouldn't be in the game and we did so before. I'm hailing Neiteio as Pacman's champion since he argues for the character so well and honestly, his arguements for Pacman's inclusion are better than mine for him not being in. Does that mean I'm terrible for not wanting him in? Not necessarily (I hope not) because my feelings toward the character are unchanged, but yeah, I have to concede that the arguement for him is a better one. I will not be disappointed if Pacs doesn't show. If he does show, then fine since it would make sense and it's not like he would ruin the whole game, but he's now my punching bag >=)

TLDR: 3ds version will be fine, just believe in Sakurai. Sakurai focuses on making games fun. I still don't like Pacman and am entitled to my opinion. If he shows up I shouldn't and won't be angry about it because there are good arguements for him being in.
 
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