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Super Street Fighter 4 |OT2| BACK OF THE BUS, SAGAT!
- Thread starter EviLore
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CLAW
Normals
- cr.MK start up is now 6 frames (2 frames faster)
- Less damage on cr.MP and cr.HK
Unique Attacks
- More recovery for Cosmic Heel on block
Specials
- Less recovery on EX roll
- You can now combo cr.MP from EX roll
Ultra
- U2 has slightly more startup
Other
- Is considered to be mid-air right after the invincibility frames of his backdash end
Normals
- cr.MK start up is now 6 frames (2 frames faster)
- Less damage on cr.MP and cr.HK
Unique Attacks
- More recovery for Cosmic Heel on block
Specials
- Less recovery on EX roll
- You can now combo cr.MP from EX roll
Ultra
- U2 has slightly more startup
Other
- Is considered to be mid-air right after the invincibility frames of his backdash end
KEN
Normals
-Less recovery on cr.MP, can now combo cr.MP into cr.MK
-Improved hit box for cl.LP and target combo (assuming this to mean more range)
Special
- LP Shoryu has 2 extra frames of recovery, but does 120 damage
- EX Hado can juggle twice in the air, so you can get full juggle off LP Shoryu > EX Hado
- EX Air Tatsu is no longer an overhead
Other
- Is considered to be mid-air right after the invincibility frames of his backdash end
Normals
-Less recovery on cr.MP, can now combo cr.MP into cr.MK
-Improved hit box for cl.LP and target combo (assuming this to mean more range)
Special
- LP Shoryu has 2 extra frames of recovery, but does 120 damage
- EX Hado can juggle twice in the air, so you can get full juggle off LP Shoryu > EX Hado
- EX Air Tatsu is no longer an overhead
Other
- Is considered to be mid-air right after the invincibility frames of his backdash end
stabicron7
Member
USD said:
*points and laughs at greg*
dragonballjoseph
Member
USD said:
RUFUS
Specials
- Anti-air U2 does not give you the full hits
- EX Messiah does less damage
Other
Is considered to be mid-air right after the invincibility frames of his backdash end
That U2 nerf is harsh. :lol
Juri is last, might take a while to translate since I have to look up the move names. Looks like she has a lot of changes too.
Specials
- Anti-air U2 does not give you the full hits
- EX Messiah does less damage
Other
Is considered to be mid-air right after the invincibility frames of his backdash end
That U2 nerf is harsh. :lol
Juri is last, might take a while to translate since I have to look up the move names. Looks like she has a lot of changes too.
stabicron7
Member
Kadey said:
lol bad flowchart Akuma. Glad to see another shoto ground beneath Lord Bison's heel
sixteen-bit
Member
:lol do you have the full image?dragonballjoseph said:
SephirothRK
Member
USD said:
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Satyamdas said:
I instantly thought of Fuerte when I read this. He can air-throw characters that backdash. Not sure if it's ALL characters but I know for sure that Abel and Sagat are among the ones that can be thrown. Maybe this means that more characters can be thrown (if it wasn't the case before)
dragonballjoseph
Member
_dementia said:
anotheriori
Member
lol gaijin 4-koma
JURI
Specials
-Her fireball charge kick knocks the opponent higher
-You now combo Fireball charge > Pinwheel, for example
-Less stun and damage on charge kick
Ultra
No changes to U1, but because of the changes to the charge kick, it's easier to score knockdowns
Other
Faster walk speed (both foward and back)
Improvements to hitbox, EX FA (Not sure about this one, take with a grain of salt)
Specials
-Her fireball charge kick knocks the opponent higher
-You now combo Fireball charge > Pinwheel, for example
-Less stun and damage on charge kick
Ultra
No changes to U1, but because of the changes to the charge kick, it's easier to score knockdowns
Other
Faster walk speed (both foward and back)
Improvements to hitbox, EX FA (Not sure about this one, take with a grain of salt)
anotheriori
Member
Improvements to any specific hitboxes or hitboxes overall?USD said:
I'm guessing faster movement during the animation for the movement after successful ex counter. Instead of how it is now countering then getting uppercutted...
"fireball charge kick" is the 1st part of the fireball kick? I recall them making it so that the startup and release now combos.. so I guess if you hold the fireball it's a launcher on its own (untechable?)
Wow, talk about lifting a poor guy up just to bring him back down again - poor Vega.
Mago must be smiling right now with that Fei news, oh wow.
Ken now being able to combo cr.MP into cr.MK is pretty big right there...
Reading about all of these decreases makes me feel like Honda is gonna get hit hard - damn...
And hey Kuma, now that they slightly improved Juri, you can stop hating on Blanka and Honda!
Nothing more other than some characters are mid-air while they dash back while some aren't - so for example against Fuerte, some characters could backdash to avoid a Tortilla Propeller/Fajita Buster grab from him, while some other couldn't - an even better example is against Zangief trying to Ultra 1 someone on their wake-up and they have no good reversal/escape plan - with this change, they can simply backdash without being grabbed like before.
Mago must be smiling right now with that Fei news, oh wow.
Ken now being able to combo cr.MP into cr.MK is pretty big right there...
Reading about all of these decreases makes me feel like Honda is gonna get hit hard - damn...
And hey Kuma, now that they slightly improved Juri, you can stop hating on Blanka and Honda!
Satyamdas said:
Nothing more other than some characters are mid-air while they dash back while some aren't - so for example against Fuerte, some characters could backdash to avoid a Tortilla Propeller/Fajita Buster grab from him, while some other couldn't - an even better example is against Zangief trying to Ultra 1 someone on their wake-up and they have no good reversal/escape plan - with this change, they can simply backdash without being grabbed like before.
Was hosting a lobby and some dude name Karaqi joins who mains abel apparently. Now I know I'm gaf's most notorious scrub, but this is just hilarious. Dude gets like 1-2 games on me while I'm using Honda which I don't know how to play. He messages me about how I suck. Then I go on a 10-12 game winning streak and he starts sending me more awesome/hilarious messages about how I fucking suck and just spam n shit. I'm like yea yea I know man, I'm garbage haha. He picks his main and I pick honda again; beats me. Then I pick his main abel and handle his ryu. I also destroyed his abel with my boi dan. It was just hilarious. Wish I could record some of this shit.
To quote one of his best one: "ur probably the worst, best player i've versed meaning u fuking suk rlly big balls but ur timing nd spamming is amazing."
Exact word for word. Made me feel so special.
My last message to him was "u like the next daigo, i just know it."
I really <3 this game.
To quote one of his best one: "ur probably the worst, best player i've versed meaning u fuking suk rlly big balls but ur timing nd spamming is amazing."
Exact word for word. Made me feel so special.
My last message to him was "u like the next daigo, i just know it."
I really <3 this game.
anotheriori
Member
Less comic heel spam yay.Skilotonn said:
Juri can't backdash grabs boo.
sonicspear64
Member
Happy about the Ken changes. 2 extra frames on lp. srk isn't that bad. I can imagine that you can still sneak one in now and then without an immediate punish. I wonder if they can bring the double srk (not lp. srk, lp. srk like 3S, but maybe lp. srk, last hit of hp. srk or 2-3 hits of ex srk) back since target combo is better now.
Good stuff on Ken. Ken and the Pink Ranger are the two characters I mess around with a lot these days. Plus a dozen others. I rarely use my mains.
Pink Ranger!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZT45fUXHfQ&fmt=22
And ♥TS.
Pink Ranger!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZT45fUXHfQ&fmt=22
And ♥TS.
Lost Fragment
Obsessed with 4chan
I think the "airborne after invincibility of backdash ends" stuff is to prevent people from being able to punish backdashes as hard.
Everything in one post:
KEN
Normals
-Less recovery on cr.MP, can now combo cr.MP into cr.MK
-Improved hit box for cl.LP and target combo (assuming this to mean more range)
Special
- LP Shoryu has 2 extra frames of recovery, but does 120 damage
- EX Hado can juggle twice in the air, so you can get full juggle off LP Shoryu > EX Hado
- EX Air Tatsu is no longer an overhead
Other
- Is considered to be mid-air right after the invincibility frames of his backdash end
CLAW
Normals
- cr.MK start up is now 6 frames (2 frames faster)
- Less damage on cr.MP and cr.HK
Unique Attacks
- More recovery for Cosmic Heel on block
Specials
- Less recovery on EX roll
- You can now combo cr.MP from EX roll
Ultra
- U2 has slightly more startup
Other
- Is considered to be mid-air right after the invincibility frames of his backdash end
RUFUS
Specials
- Anti-air U2 does not give you the full hits
- EX Messiah does less damage (80, down from 100)
Other
Is considered to be mid-air right after the invincibility frames of his backdash end
FEI
Normals
- Close and Far stand jab are have an extra frame of advantage (now +6)
- Close forward has a 4-frame startup
Specials
- Less recovery on EX Rekka on hit and on guard
- No invincibility with HK Chicken Wing
Other
- Is considered to be mid-air right after the invincibility frames of his backdash end
JURI
Specials
-Her fireball charge kick knocks the opponent higher
-You can now combo Fireball charge > Pinwheel, for example
-Less stun and damage on charge kick
Ultra
No changes to U1, but because of the changes to the charge kick, it's easier to score knockdowns
Other
Faster walk speed (both foward and back)
Improvements to hitbox, EX FA (Not sure about this one, take with a grain of salt)
KEN
Normals
-Less recovery on cr.MP, can now combo cr.MP into cr.MK
-Improved hit box for cl.LP and target combo (assuming this to mean more range)
Special
- LP Shoryu has 2 extra frames of recovery, but does 120 damage
- EX Hado can juggle twice in the air, so you can get full juggle off LP Shoryu > EX Hado
- EX Air Tatsu is no longer an overhead
Other
- Is considered to be mid-air right after the invincibility frames of his backdash end
CLAW
Normals
- cr.MK start up is now 6 frames (2 frames faster)
- Less damage on cr.MP and cr.HK
Unique Attacks
- More recovery for Cosmic Heel on block
Specials
- Less recovery on EX roll
- You can now combo cr.MP from EX roll
Ultra
- U2 has slightly more startup
Other
- Is considered to be mid-air right after the invincibility frames of his backdash end
RUFUS
Specials
- Anti-air U2 does not give you the full hits
- EX Messiah does less damage (80, down from 100)
Other
Is considered to be mid-air right after the invincibility frames of his backdash end
FEI
Normals
- Close and Far stand jab are have an extra frame of advantage (now +6)
- Close forward has a 4-frame startup
Specials
- Less recovery on EX Rekka on hit and on guard
- No invincibility with HK Chicken Wing
Other
- Is considered to be mid-air right after the invincibility frames of his backdash end
JURI
Specials
-Her fireball charge kick knocks the opponent higher
-You can now combo Fireball charge > Pinwheel, for example
-Less stun and damage on charge kick
Ultra
No changes to U1, but because of the changes to the charge kick, it's easier to score knockdowns
Other
Faster walk speed (both foward and back)
Improvements to hitbox, EX FA (Not sure about this one, take with a grain of salt)
abstract alien
Member
:^/USD said:
I'm not sure what Capcom had in mind with those Fei Long changes. Maybe now he'll be more of a frame trap-oriented character, but whatever. It's not as though HK chickenwing was super broken. I wonder if the additional frame advantage will make it harder to land tenshin out of blockstrings now, assuming they're adding frames on block as well as hit.
Meh, I just want more Yang impressions. :/
EDIT: Oh, and that backdash nonsense is pure idiocy.
Meh, I just want more Yang impressions. :/
EDIT: Oh, and that backdash nonsense is pure idiocy.
Killa Sasa
Member
How the turn tables, Greg
sonicspear64
Member
The arcade release for now, but hopefully it's both in the near future.Tathanen said:
OmnipotentO
Member
Maybe it means they'll reset if hit during a backdash??
Lost Fragment
Obsessed with 4chan
After checking the frame data on SRK's wiki thing, it looks like the characters that are now considered airborne after backdash invuln are ones who either weren't considered airborne at all during their backdash (Ken), or who were grounded for 1 frame after invuln but before they were considered airborne (everyone else). Juri's backdash didn't get touched because she's already considered airborne until the last 10 or so frames of her backdash, and didn't have the odd 1 frame of being grounded right after her invuln frames.
So I'm guessing Akuma, Sim, Honda, Gen, Gouken, Ryu, Sakura, Seth, and Dan will have their backdashes similarly adjusted.
So I'm guessing Akuma, Sim, Honda, Gen, Gouken, Ryu, Sakura, Seth, and Dan will have their backdashes similarly adjusted.
I see it as one of Capcom's answer to all the cries about Breathless.Lost Fragment said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkudFH_PcOk#t=3m54s
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
Danm Fei got buffed
Awesome, thanks for that. Also, Threi was saying that this probably means that an OS sweep on a backdash would result in a reset now rather than a knockdown. All this time I've wondered why some characters backdash avoided things like Gief U1 while Sim got grabbed out of it every time, and now I know.Lost Fragment said:
I definitely welcome this change
DarkoMaledictus
Tier Whore
Kaako said:Was hosting a lobby and some dude name Karaqi joins who mains abel apparently. Now I know I'm gaf's most notorious scrub, but this is just hilarious. Dude gets like 1-2 games on me while I'm using Honda which I don't know how to play. He messages me about how I suck. Then I go on a 10-12 game winning streak and he starts sending me more awesome/hilarious messages about how I fucking suck and just spam n shit. I'm like yea yea I know man, I'm garbage haha. He picks his main and I pick honda again; beats me. Then I pick his main abel and handle his ryu. I also destroyed his abel with my boi dan. It was just hilarious. Wish I could record some of this shit.
To quote one of his best one: "ur probably the worst, best player i've versed meaning u fuking suk rlly big balls but ur timing nd spamming is amazing."
Exact word for word. Made me feel so special.
My last message to him was "u like the next daigo, i just know it."
I really <3 this game.
Lol what I like to say to them when they say I suck is this :
"Yep, probably one of the worst players ever, an uber scrub... yet I beat you, just food for thought "
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