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[Prodigal Son]

They're already going to go with her, the number of supporters who won't is small.

I doubt this highly. Young America dislikes Hillary Clinton. I don't know how someone can honestly claim otherwise.

Granted, Sanders will endorse Clinton should she take the nom, so that'll have some effect.

 

[ampere]

Views she held in high school and elementary school.

What mean thing did she post on her facebook in 3rd grade

 

[excelsiorlef]

Southern states for Clinton!

And Viginia as Iowa and Massachusetts.... and with great chances at Ohio amd Michigan

 

[Plinko]

epic sneeze. respect to Cruz for sneezing into his elbow and not his hands.

Cruz: Donald has a floor of 25% and a hard ceiling of 35 - 40%. Time for others to drop out and unite behind me. We can beat him.

Same thing he said the other day. Lame.

 

[eBay Huckster]

And Viginia as Iowa and Massachusetts.... and with great chances at Ohio amd Michigan

And Florida and North Carolina, and (looking ahead) probably New York and Pennsylvania

 

[steveovig]

How much of a lead does Trump have over Cruz, after losing Maine and Kansas? I find myself rooting for Trump since he'll be the easiest for Hillary or Bernie to beat.

 

[Sean C]

Jon Ralston's assessment of Rubio.

I doubt this highly. Young America dislikes Hillary Clinton. I don't know how someone can honestly claim otherwise.

Granted, Sanders will endorse Clinton should she take the nom, so that'll have some effect.

Sigh. This debate happens every contest. The result is the same: Democrats will vote for the Democratic nominee. If some small percentage refuse to come out and vote, they are not that significant (nor, frankly, are people that shortsighted worth catering to).

 

[ayeorkean]

They lost all the votes in Kansas and at this point they're too embarrassed to tell anyone

My precinct was
Hillary: 154
Bernie: 530
-
Next town over had
H: 177
B: 562

 

[SaviourMK2]

I'd like Rubio to stay there and prevent a coalescing around Cruz myself. Trump needs to go into the conventions with a sizable plurality of delegates at worst so the GOP has to reject him out in the open, on national TV for everyone to see.

Cruz winning allows them to avoid their day of reckoning and maybe even avert a breakup by making the necessary adjustments before 2020.

I agree, they need to learn there are consequences for their crap

 

[Sohter.Nura]

I kinda dig the idea of the Republican Nomination going all the way to the convention.
If Donald has the most delegates and they still choose Markito or Cruz, it's going to be so crazy that it will further split the GOP apart. They gotta go.

 

[params7]

This is just devestating for Rubio. I'd say his drastic change to combat Trump hurt him a great deal.

Definitely. His 180 on attacking Trump after taking a whooping from Christie hurt the image he crafted before as the somewhat reasonable establishment candidate. Now he wants to swim with Trump in his own game and Rubio just doesn't look good delivering the prepared insults towards Trump.

 

[Fat4all]

I doubt this highly. Young America dislikes Hillary Clinton. I don't know how someone can honestly claim otherwise.

I don't see how someone can claim either point, both are hyperbole right now.

 

[Grover Cleveland]

They're already going to go with her, the number of supporters who won't is small.

This.

The amount of young liberals who wouldn't vote for Hilary Clinton unless she has Bernie as her VP is very small. They just raise holy hell about it on the Internet.

Bernie won't be the VP because

A) He's too old

B) He won't bring in independents or RINOs

C) A strong liberal voice like his would be more effective in the Senate than it would be as the backup in the White House

 

[woolley]

Time to reverse diablos. Hopefully no more caucuses in the Republican party. How can we force Rubio out of the race?

Why get him out? Lets keep him in and go for a brokered convention and see how crazy this shit can get.

 

[danm999]

Definitely. His 180 on attacking Trump after taking a whooping from Christie hurt the image he crafted before as the somewhat reasonable establishment candidate. Now he wants to swim with Trump in his own game and Rubio just doesn't look good delivering the prepared insults towards Trump.

I think Cruz did better treating Trump like an unruly child at the last debate than Rubio did trying to descend to his level.

 

[BrutishMrFish]

He'd bring a sizable chunk of the youth vote in the GE for Clinton.

Given the low youth turnout across the board, that's not much.

 

[Prodigal Son]

Jon Ralston's assessment of Rubio.


Sigh. This debate happens every contest. The result is the same: Democrats will vote for the Democratic nominee. If some small percentage refuse to come out and vote, they are not that significant (nor, frankly, are people that shortsighted worth catering to).

We'll see.

 

[Good Job Bob]

Yeah, Rubio going the playground insults route is just shocking. If you're trying to position yourself as the serious establishment candidate, why would you go that route?

 

[Sohter.Nura]

I think Cruz did better treating Trump like an unruly child at the last debate than Rubio did trying to descend to his level.

I think Markito had better zingers, but Cruz made better points against Trump, like his ties with the democrats and all that.

 

[MartyStu]

I doubt this highly. Young America dislikes Hillary Clinton. I don't know how someone can honestly claim otherwise.

Granted, Sanders will endorse Clinton should she take the nom, so that'll have some effect.

I do not actually dislike Clinton herself. Never understood the intense hate.

I very much dislike how centrist she can be, but that has little to do with her as a person.

Republicans seem to hate her on an almost personal level.

 

[Effect]

More likely he'd have a cabinet position.

Although depends, he may want to stay in the Senate and honestly losing his vote in the Senate may be bad.

I doubt even that. He was already in a leadership position in the Senate and didn't do a good job on that front. No way he'd get a cabinet position. How do you justify that when it comes time to pick him over others?

 

[User 463088]

My precinct was
Hillary: 154
Bernie: 530
-
Next town over had
H: 177
B: 562

But that doesn't translate to raw vote in a caucus.

 

[CharminUltra]

Killawin

 

[Daft Bird]

How much of a lead does Trump have over Cruz, after losing Maine and Kansas? I find myself rooting for Trump since he'll be the easiest for Hillary or Bernie to beat.

Anywhere from 80-110 still. Trump is winning/won the two bigger states that were up for grab.

 

[ampere]

Yeah, Rubio going the playground insults route is just shocking. If you're trying to position yourself as the serious establishment candidate, why would you go that route?

Same reason he was calling out Trump for misspelling words in a video or something, he has idiots running his campaign

 

[danm999]

Most polls I've seen suggest something like 80% of Sanders Dem supporters would support Hillary in the general.

That's pretty much on track with the Clinton/Obama split in 2008.

 

[Slayven]

I doubt this highly. Young America dislikes Hillary Clinton. I don't know how someone can honestly claim otherwise.

Granted, Sanders will endorse Clinton should she take the nom, so that'll have some effect.

aren't the numbers for young voters low, at least for sanders voters?

 

[OpinionatedCyborg]

How much of a lead does Trump have over Cruz, after losing Maine and Kansas? I find myself rooting for Trump since he'll be the easiest for Hillary or Bernie to beat.

It's something like 330 Trump to 250 Cruz. Both Trump and Cruz will probably win around the same number of delegates tonight, so the lead should continue to be about the same. Unfortunately for Cruz, there are few caucuses remaining (Trump performs poorly in caucuses), and Cruz's strongest states will mostly be done. Cruz still has a path to 1237, but he will have to perform well in areas of the country that, as of now, favor Trump and dislike Cruz.

 

[nynt9]

My friend from Nebraska posted this, left side Bernie, right side Clinton

 

[excelsiorlef]

aren't the numbers for young voters low, at least for sanders voters?

Yep. Which is just fucking hillarious to me.

 

[MartyStu]

Any chance Sanders would run as Hillary's VP?
I really don't want to see him vanish out of the national picture, but I can't see him supporting Hillary as VP either =( but then again, she has the minority covered and could bring in the white male vote with Bernie.

If you are a liberal, you definitely want Sanders in the senate. He is most effective there.

 

[eBay Huckster]

Most polls I've seen suggest something like 80% of Sanders Dem supporters would support Hillary in the general.

That's pretty much on track with the Clinton/Obama split in 2008.

actually it's better than that split thus far, we were already pushing 30% at this point

 

[Wafflecakes]

He'd bring a sizable chunk of the youth vote in the GE for Clinton.

Sanders would never be Clinton's VP, but certainly not because he has nothing to offer.

Turnout disagrees.

Young people will vote Dem no matter who the nom is, and the youth vote will not be nearly large enough to be significant.


....and yes Sanders would take the VP if asked.

 

[maabus1999]

If Kansas margin is similar to NE, then while the optics of a win are good, in reality it means Bernie did not get a large enough split to change the race at all. If anything, I would say Bernie has under performed tonight if Kansas is a 10% margin...

 

[A Human Becoming]

If Kansas margin is similar to NE, then while the optics of a win are good, in reality it means Bernie did not get a large enough split to change the race at all. If anything, I would say Bernie has under performed tonight if Kansas is 10% margin...

Yep. Story of his campaign after New Hampshire.

 

[Sean C]

We'll see.

Yeah, this time it'll totally be different. We all know white Democrats won't show up for Obama!

 

[Grover Cleveland]

I like how Fuhrer Don is waiting until these states are relatively safe for him before he comes out so he can claim victory

 

[Voysa Reezun]

Anyway, I have a hunch that Rubio has to try to win FL to save his political career at this point. He's taken so many Ls the past few weeks that he doesn't seem like a viable Senator candidate anymore if he turns around and decides to run for his Senate seat again after all or runs for Governor. He needs to at least try to save his career by beating Trump, though that's not going to happen.

Cruz is playing a dangerous game. If he knocks Rubio out by placing him in third in FL, so what? Trump winning FL and OH ends the game for Cruz, unless of course Cruz is actually trying to set himself up for being the 2020 frontrunner more than anything else at this point.

 

[Itslit]

aren't the numbers for young voters low, at least for sanders voters?

Yep.
I have friends who are Sanders supporters that i'm having to remind to actually vote or register this late in the game.
Or convince that voting isn't useless.

 

[sprsk]

Rubio as the Republican John Edwards rings so true.

All we need is for him to cheat on his cancer stricken wife and were good.

 

[Grover Cleveland]

CNN calls Louisiana for Donald Trump

Order slightly restored

 

[Y2Kev]

Why get him out? Lets keep him in and go for a brokered convention and see how crazy this shit can get.

I want to know who the nominee is early so Hillary can begin pounding on him.

 

[maabus1999]

Anyway, I have a hunch that Rubio has to try to win FL to save his political career at this point. He's taken so many Ls the past few weeks that he doesn't seem like a viable Senator candidate anymore if he turns around and decides to run for his Senate seat again after all or runs for Governor. He needs to at least try to save his career by beating Trump, though that's not going to happen.

Cruz is playing a dangerous game. If he knocks Rubio out by placing him in third in FL, so what? Trump winning FL and OH ends the game for Cruz, unless of course Cruz is actually trying to set himself up for being the 2020 frontrunner more than anything else at this point.

I think it might be too late for him to run for his current seat. Have the check for sure but most deadlines have passed I believe to run for office.

 

[Prodigal Son]

Turnout disagrees.

Young people will vote Dem no matter who the nom is, and the youth vote will not be nearly large enough to be significant.


....and yes Sanders would take the VP if asked.

Hah.

I love humor.

 

[Amir0x]

We'll see...

...again, for like the twentieth time.

 

[eBay Huckster]

I think it might be too late for him to run for his current seat. Have the check for sure but most deadlines have passed I believe to run for office.

Filing deadline for FL is actually sometime in May/June, iirc. Their congressional primaries are actually absurdly late (not until the end of August).

 

[Sohter.Nura]

Anyway, I have a hunch that Rubio has to try to win FL to save his political career at this point. He's taken so many Ls the past few weeks that he doesn't seem like a viable Senator candidate anymore if he turns around and decides to run for his Senate seat again after all or runs for Governor. He needs to at least try to save his career by beating Trump, though that's not going to happen.

Cruz is playing a dangerous game. If he knocks Rubio out by placing him in third in FL, so what? Trump winning FL and OH ends the game for Cruz, unless of course Cruz is actually trying to set himself up for being the 2020 frontrunner more than anything else at this point.

Living in Fort Lauderdale, the idea of having Rubio as a Governor disgusts me. But then again, we've had Rick Scott for what, 6 years now?

Anyway, I don't think the establishment will let Rubio drop out at this point. For better or for worse, I think they need Trump to be double-teamed in the debates and ensure that a Rubio's share of the pie in the nomination electorate doesn't go to Trump, so they're able to take it to a convention.

 

[User 463088]

If Kansas margin is similar to NE, then while the optics of a win are good, in reality it means Bernie did not get a large enough split to change the race at all. If anything, I would say Bernie has under performed tonight if Kansas is a 10% margin...

He absolutely has. A someone who wants Hillary, I'm giddy. If the margins from Nebraska hold, and Kansas is less than a 30 point win for Bernie, will gain 49 delegates. Hillary will get 60. She'll have lost 3 states tonight but increased her lead by 11 delegates.

(That assumes Kansas goes 65/35 for Bernie, and Louisiana goes 70/30 for Hillary).

 

[Wafflecakes]

Hah.

I love humor.

Pretend all you want.

Either Bernie cares about the future of the country and would take the VP if asked because Hillary thinks she needs him...

... or he doesn't actually care about the country or its people. In which case, why are his fans so attached to him again?

 

[Myggen]

If Kansas margin is similar to NE, then while the optics of a win are good, in reality it means Bernie did not get a large enough split to change the race at all. If anything, I would say Bernie has under performed tonight if Kansas is a 10% margin...

Very true.