Super Tuesday 2016 |OT| The Final Incursion is a double Incursion (Mar 5-15 contests)

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Amir0x said:
...again, for like the twentieth time.
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Talking about the general.

Wafflecakes said:
Pretend all you want.

Either Bernie cares about the future of the country and would take the VP if asked because Hillary thinks she needs him...

... or he doesn't actually care country or its people. In which case, why are his fans so attached to him again?
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How is it that taking a token VP position is 'caring for the country' in your view?

He'd do greater good in the Senate than as a VP.

A VP also stands behind the President. Sanders and Clinton, while in agreement on many issues, have a few, distinct ideals for the U.S. that are incompatible.
 
adam387 said:
He absolutely has. A someone who wants Hillary, I'm giddy. If the margins from Nebraska hold, and Kansas is less than a 30 point win for Bernie, will gain 49 delegates. Hillary will get 60. She'll have lost 3 states tonight but increased her lead by 11 delegates.

(That assumes Kansas goes 70/30 for Bernie, and Louisiana goes 70/30 for Bernie).
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I highly doubt Kansas will be far removed from NE results. Best he could ask for IMO is 20 point win. I could be wrong but that is my call.

And Lol, Bernie would have a heart attack if he won 70/30 in LA!! Funny typo.
 
maabus1999 said:
I highly doubt Kansas will be far removed from NE results. Best he could ask for IMO is 20 point win. I could be wrong but that is my call.
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I would agree, especially since they called it so late. However, I was arguing a best case for him.

Bernie is leaving tonight the winner of 2 states, but (probably) further behind than when the night started.
 
Wafflecakes said:
Pretend all you want.

Either Bernie cares about the future of the country and would take the VP if asked because Hillary thinks she needs him...

... or he doesn't actually care about the country or its people. In which case, why are his fans so attached to him again?
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I don't see Hillary picking Bernie. She's going to go for a young progressive up and commmer, probably a minority.

Juan Castro would be my choice.
 
Sohter.Nura said:
Anyway, I don't think the establishment will let Rubio drop out at this point. For better or for worse, I think they need Trump to be double-teamed in the debates and ensure that a Rubio's share of the pie in the nomination electorate doesn't go to Trump, so they're able to take it to a convention.
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What you say has definite merit. I'm pretty thankful that Ted Cruz pissed off everyone of consequence in his party in the Senate because otherwise they might just coalesce around him rather than try to get to a brokered convention and nominate someone else entirely.
 
Sean C said:
Just like Hillary's supporters wouldn't show up for Obama.
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Do you genuinely picture young people in the US coming out in storms for Hillary Clinton?

I can maybe see that if Trump is the nominee. A vote for Clinton would be a vote for 'not-trump.'

Again, we'll see. Clinton's demographics in 08 and Sanders' demographics in 2016 aren't the same.


Wafflecakes said:
...if the alternative is a GOP President...

Any liberal who doesn't care about THAT is trash.
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The Alternative is a GOP president regardless of whether or not he takes the nomination or not. In what way would being VP serve as a test of whether or not he cares?

It'd be hypocritical if anything.
 
Prodigal Son said:
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Talking about the general.
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So am I. We've seen the threat for countless GE's, and it virtually never materializes in any significant numbers. That's why it's "we'll see... again", since it's not like historical precedent doesn't make it easy to know the answer.
 
SE Cupp is having to talk about Ted Cruz and she does not look like she's into it.

I say again she is internally preparing herself to vote Clinton.
 
maabus1999 said:
I highly doubt Kansas will be far removed from NE results. Best he could ask for IMO is 20 point win. I could be wrong but that is my call.

And Lol, Bernie would have a heart attack if he won 70/30 in LA!! Funny typo.
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He'll easily win by more than 20. 30 is more than possible.

adam387 said:
He absolutely has. A someone who wants Hillary, I'm giddy. If the margins from Nebraska hold, and Kansas is less than a 30 point win for Bernie, will gain 49 delegates. Hillary will get 60. She'll have lost 3 states tonight but increased her lead by 11 delegates.

(That assumes Kansas goes 65/35 for Bernie, and Louisiana goes 70/30 for Bernie).
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You might want to fix that, lest you give someone a heart attack :)
 
NeoCTN said:
Yes, but were you aware that should he decline the offer, this implies that he doesn't give a give about America or the American people?
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Nah, it just means he likes trains a little more than America.

He'll probably move to Japan and live on the bullet trains there as a hermit.
 
Prodigal Son said:
Do you genuinely picture young people in the US coming out in storms for Hillary Clinton?
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1) They're not coming out "in storms" for Sanders, seeing as he's losing, so I don't think Clinton would be different in that respect.
2) Young people who are actually inclined to vote will do so still, seeing as Hillary is the Democratic nominee and measurably better than the alternative.
3) Some tiny number of voters who think Hillary is the same as the GOP will not vote. They will not matter.
 
eBay Huckster said:
Relative to 2012: definitely (if grudgingly) if Trump is the nominee, maybe if Cruz is the nominee considering how many places I've seen that "Zodiac Killer" meme floating around
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Yeah. I can see millennials coming out to vote 'not-trump' actually. Trump as the likely nominee is a huge advantage for Clinton.


Sean C said:
1) They're not coming out "in storms" for Sanders, seeing as he's losing, so I don't think Clinton would be different in that respect.
2) Young people who are actually inclined to vote will do so still, seeing as Hillary is the Democratic nominee and measurably better than the alternative.
3) Some tiny number of voters who think Hillary is the same as the GOP will not vote. They will not matter.
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Voter turnout is generally lower when the opposing party has been in power.

The people who actually are voting for Sanders are largely quite young, even if there aren't nearly enough of them for a victory.
 
Prodigal Son said:
Do you genuinely picture young people in the US coming out in storms for Hillary Clinton?

I can maybe see that if Trump is the nominee. A vote for Clinton would be a vote for 'not-trump.'

Again, we'll see. Clinton's demographics in 08 and Sanders' demographics in 2016 aren't the same.




The Alternative is a GOP president regardless of whether or not he takes the nomination or not. In what way would being VP serve as a test of whether or not he cares?

It'd be hypocritical if anything.
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Young people do turn up to GEs.
 
Prodigal Son said:
Do you genuinely picture young people in the US coming out in storms for Hillary Clinton?
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They're hardly coming out for *Bernie*, let alone Hillary, as the results have shown so far.

In the end, most (~90%) of Bernie's supporters will vote for Hillary in the end. We hear a disproportionate number of that last 10% because they're the vocal ones that hang out on Reddit and Daily Kos. Every person I personally know that supports Bernie will vote for whichever Democrat wins the nomination without even a moment of hesitation, and if Bernie - by some miracle - managed to win it, I'd be the first person in Oregon to mail back my ballot filled in for him.
 
danm999 said:
SE Cupp is having to talk about Ted Cruz and she does not look like she's into it.

I say again she is internally preparing herself to vote Clinton.
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I really want to see the moment when she finally realizes she has no choice but to vote Clinton lol.
 
Prodigal Son said:
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How is it that taking a token VP position is 'caring for the country' in your view?

He'd do greater good in the Senate than as a VP.

A VP also stands behind the President. Sanders and Clinton, while in agreement on many issues, have a few, distinct ideals for the U.S. that are incompatible.
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If the youth vote is important as you say it is, and if Hillary needed it badly enough to beat the GOP to the point where she asked Bernie to be VP, then taking the VP spot would be caring for the country if it meant the Republican nominee lost. Bernie said it - on their worst days, both of the Democratic nominees are better than any of the Republicans.

But young voters aren't coming out in droves for either of them, so it's not going to happen because he really doesn't bring much to the table that Hillary doesn't already have.
 
Boke1879 said:
I said it earlier in this thread. She's fucking done with this whole thing. Hell if Clinton is the nom she just might vote for her lol
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Most of the regular Republican pundits on CNN are done with it. Only the ones that are into Cruz or Trump that still seem to like their own side of the aisle. And SE used to be a downright shill for the Pubs.
 
What this thread is telling me is that voters won't turn up for either hilary or bernie if either are nominee

but because republican voters are insane they always turn up even if the nominee was a snot-eating troll

scary future
 
Steel said:
Most of the regular Republican pundits on CNN are done with it. Only the ones that are into Cruz or Trump that still seem to like their own side of the aisle. And SE used to be a downright shill for the Pubs.
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She still is but she's at least logical enough to realize this shit is a lost cause.
 
Also, 'they're not coming for Bernie either' isn't an argument. They're coming out more for Bernie than they are for Clinton. They're coming out a lot more for Bernie compared to Clinton.

If we're discussing who is more likely to secure the youth vote, Hillary Clinton is a stretch of an answer.
 
BreezyLimbo said:
What this thread is telling me is that voters won't turn up for either hilary or bernie if either are nominee

but because republican voters are insane they always turn up even if the nominee was a snot-eating troll

scary future
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If Pepsi Max gets discontinued at some point I'm leaving Earth.
 
So what's that in delegates for Kansas? 10 for Hillary, 23 for Bernie?

Add in the likely 10-14 split in Nebraska Sanders is about 27 delegates up from those two states?

What's the split in Louisiana likely to be?
 
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