Super Tuesday 2016 |OT| The Final Incursion is a double Incursion (Mar 5-15 contests)

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The only man who can save us:

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And so? That was a long time ago and the Democratic Party is different now. Dwight Eisenhower didn't like the military industrial complex but the GOP is full of warmongers now. Times change, simple as that.

And Trump may not be racist but him pandering to racists is just as bad as being racist. He does no good by emboldening hate speech.
Wow, you should really just watch CNN. He's not pandering to racists, all of the racists are liberals. Open a history book.
 
look at the margins of victory in some of the southern states. she's winning bigger than Obama did in '08. these delegates are awarded proportionately. not good for le bern

Good news is turnout is looking good, even compared to 2008. Bernie and Clinton can do better than Obama if they do this right, maybe even get the senate back and start some progress again.
 
To be fair to Bernie supporters, a good amount of them have never followed a Democratic primary before so you can't get too upset with them not understanding how proportional delegates work. The fact that they're so closely following MA to see if Bernie can squeak out a 0.1% win when they lost Georgia, Alabama, Arkansas, Virginia etc. by 25-40 points says it all.

I admire their blind enthusiasm.

I have followed many primaries before. This one is much more fun because of how much Sanders' ideals fit my own.
 
To be fair to Bernie supporters, a good amount of them have never followed a Democratic primary before so you can't get too upset with them not understanding how proportional delegates work. The fact that they're so closely following MA to see if Bernie can squeak out a 0.1% win when they lost Georgia, Alabama, Arkansas, Virginia etc. by 25-40 points says it all.

I admire their blind enthusiasm.

Wow. Keep it classy in here.
 
This is the fool Van was debating on CNN: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Lord

He has a history of this:

In June 2015, Lord wrote an open letter to Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the head of the U.S. Democratic Party, asking her to apologize for her party's role in Indian removal, promoting and defending slavery, Confederate secession, and creating segregationist Jim Crow regimes, saying that the Democrats' historical support for such institutions contributed and contributes to the continuing existence of racism and bigotry in American society.
 
I didn't know the KKK still matter

They matter whenever a politician gets too chummy with them or another tries to pretend that they never existed or did bad things.

They also matter when you discover they've infiltrated police departments and local governments all over the nation.
 
Is this a thing spread by Clinton supporters?

I mean if you think about it, even for a second, it wouldn't make any sense. It would be more likely that Bernie supporters would be "disillusioned" and not vote.

I would go back and collect the posts in older threads, but I prefer to have a pleasant afternoon. Not really sure what you think I have to gain by lying about something that asinine.

I also posted after that addressing the second part of your post.
 
This line of thinking is ridiculous. The only reason you're under the misunderstanding that TRump is "the most sane," is because he hasn't outlined any policy ever, and the things that he says are not only patently insane for a president of the United States, but they are blatantly unconstitutional.

You can't ban specific religions from entering the country
You can't force Apple to make the iPhone in the United States
You can't force a foreign country to pay for a domestic policy

You think Trump is "the most sane" because he hasn't outlined any policy and nobody is forcing him to. But if his quotes are any indication of his policy (Which at this point they may not be because he contradicts himself almost every day), his policy is blatantly insane and unconstitutional for a President.

When Trump says "President" he thinks "King," but they're not the same thing.

That's the point, though. What is he saying because he truly believes it, and what is he saying just to pander to the extreme right wing? I put more stock in the positions that Trump has historically vocalized before he started his presidential run, which in a lot of ways are less absurd. He is still crazy for sure, but if it were between Trump, Cruz, and Rubio, I'd still bet on Trump being the least truly insane.
 
Is this a thing spread by Clinton supporters?

I mean if you think about it, even for a second, it wouldn't make any sense. It would be more likely that Bernie supporters would be "disillusioned" and not vote.

No, this is thing that's actually been said in threads previously. The idea is that Bernie and Trump are both anti-establishment, so in the case of Bernie's loss, Trump is the better option.

Does make much sense, but it's been said. I take it as a vocal fringe and not indicative of Sanders supporters.
 
Holy shit, that Van Jones and Jeffrey Lord exchange almost made me tear my hair out. Wordgame fuckery going on with that shit. Absolutely insane.
 
Brehs did they kick Van Jones off the panel or did he leave of his own accord?

Could go either way tbh. He was making some pretty great TV (so the ratings consideration would've weighed in his favor), but if he felt too heated to go on, he might have stepped out or been asked to step out.
 
A big win there for Hillary. Was she even expected to take that state?

Yes, although, I'm quietly relishing the meltdown that my most obnoxious Facebook friends are having now... All who more and more loudly, and annoyingly, stumped for Sanders over the last couple months and got more brutish towards Clinton as the race tightened.

I've been a closet Hillary supporter only because I don't feel like getting lectured to and this gives me private glee.
 
No, this is thing that's actually been said in threads previously. The idea is that Bernie and Trump are both anti-establishment, so in the case of Bernie's loss, Trump is the better option.

Does make much sense, but it's been said. I take it as a vocal fringe and not indicative of Sanders supporters.

I'm still about as concerned about that sentiment lasting until November as I was with dejected Clinton supporters flocking to McCain in droves in 2008. It just didn't pan out. Not in big enough numbers to alter the race.
 
And over the next couple of weeks she'll blow those numbers out even more. Being down by something like 100 delegates at this point is bad, but not insurmountable. Make it 200 like it is now and things become a *lot* harder. Over the next 2 weeks, an additional 854 delegates are up for grabs. I assume Bernie will win a majority of the 25 up for grabs in Maine, but assuming that Hillary gets 55 percent of the rest (*very* generous considering the huge margins she has in a lot of those states), he's down nearly 100 more. Add in the superdelegates, and she's up by nearly 800 delegates. That's an insurmountable lead.

The only large states (>100 delegates) left after that are Washington (101, probably leans Bernie), New York (247, almost certainly leans Hillary), Pennsylvania (189, no clue who would be ahead there), California (475, would lean Bernie but the large Hispanic population would lean Hillary keeping things fairly close), and New Jersey (126, probably leans Hillary). None of these are likely to be outright blowouts one way or the other, so assuming those delegates are fairly evenly split, there's just not enough to make up the difference.

That's a delegate deathblow to Sanders.

Obama in 2008 didn't even have that kind of lead right after Super Tuesday.

Bernie is now 200+ delegates behind without supers. Mathematically Bernie has no realistic path to the nomination now.

It makes 2008 diehard Hillary supporters seem downright rational and sane by comparison and they were in mathematical losing battle. This is so far beyond that, I don't understand how someone can rationally argue he has a path to the nomination.

Yeah 200 isn't *technically* mathimaticaly impossible to make up, but some shit would have to go DOWN to have Sanders come away with the V. Momentum is likely not enough at this point. The momentum was obvious, and it went to Hillary.
 
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