Super Tuesday 2016 |OT| The Final Incursion is a double Incursion (Mar 5-15 contests)
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He gained what, a net 3 over her?
Yeah won +6 on Bernie last night, -8 to Bernie tonight. So +2 total for Bernie.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blo...y-maine-primaries-presidential-election-2016/
And then subtract the 8 from Clinton.
Edit: The 538 results for that night were preliminary, so Clinton didn't gain 11 that night. Sanders gained two all in all.
iowa win 49.9% to bernie 49.6%
NV win 52.6% to bernie 47.3%
MA win 50.1% to 48.7%
for a candiate who everyone and the dude under a bridge knows vs unknown old white guy, especially these early primaries, those are struggle wins.
don't know why you included MI...
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I love Bernie but cmon guys, it's over. Hillary will be a fine president. Just make sure you actually go out and vote or the unthinkable might happen...
It's true.
Hahahahaha! Good joke. Wonder how many wars she'll start as president. She's already got a pretty good record. How high can she go!
Yeah, she's definitely the lesser of two evils.
Based on her voting history or time as Secretary of State or something else? She doesn't strike me as a war mongerer, but I don't like that she's for capital punishment. I wonder if that's a "I'm strong on terror" sort of PR thing? Either way, dislike that.
I personally would almost always vote against going to war so I get your anti-war sentiment. She's certainly more likely to go to war than Bernie, since Bernie would probably vote against it almost every time, and has in the past. Do you think she'll be more likely to go to war than Obama, and if so why?
superdeluxe
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That delegate lead is shrinking - good work this weekend
Shrunk by 2?
lastflowers
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To be honest I was a little heated earlier when I wrote both of those posts, haha. I'll be a little more cool headed with this one, I hope.
Hillary's been involved with a lot of things that make me uncomfortable. Deposed leaders that led to the rise of even worse situations. Intervention after intervention, without worrying about the consequences. Good intentions, arguably, but path to hell, etc. I don't like it.
Criticism of Bernie's foreign policy is admittedly fair. He's a non interventionist, which I think is very good, if that's not obvious, but it's possible he's too passive? I wouldn't say so, but I could see someone arguing that point.
Ironically, Hillary's the more experienced person, so you'd expect her to be objectively better, but I just kinda... Don't trust her on this. Maybe she has learned from her mistakes. I hope she has. But I find it very hard to believe it. She has a nasty habit of saying the things people want to here without actually demonstrating real growth. Bleh.
AntraxSuicide
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I think the main danger of Bernie's brand of passivity and Obama/Clinton's brand is that the former will take way more heat in the event of an attack than the latter, while the latter gets to avoid the heat the GOP takes because Obama/Clinton won't put boots on the ground. As a nation, we don't want dead soldiers but we also want to do something in the event of an attack.
Before drones, I don't think it was possible to stay out of the heat one way or another. It was either (1) boots on the ground or (2) don't do anything. Now, we have drones and precision strikes, which are pretty popular since we don't personally risk anything ( just other people since drone strikes aren't as precise as we'd like).
Basically, Bernie's foreign policy is open to political heat, and it's occasionally misguided (I think at one point he said that Saudi Arabia and Iran should lead a coalition against ISIS, even though getting those two countries to team up is borderline like finding world peace).
Ugh don't even get me started on drones!
DRONES~!!!!!!!!!!
I agree with everything you said, really. Like I said, Bernie's policy is absolutely criticize...able. It's just that I prefer one strategy over the other. The world in general is too war hungry, and America's pretty near the top of the food chain in that regard. \:
DRONES~!!!!!!!!!!
I agree with everything you said, really. Like I said, Bernie's policy is absolutely criticize...able. It's just that I prefer one strategy over the other. The world in general is too war hungry, and America's pretty near the top of the food chain in that regard. \:
Black Republican
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sticking with my predictions
its gonna be a late night, everything here closes 8pm et - 11pm et
New SurveyUSA poll, March 4-6 (post-debate):
http://www.baynews9.com/content/new.../2016/3/7/exclusive_political__0.html#results
http://www.baynews9.com/content/new.../2016/3/7/exclusive_political__0.html#results
New SurveyUSA poll, March 4-6 (post-debate):
http://www.baynews9.com/content/new.../2016/3/7/exclusive_political__0.html#results
I really hope that stands. I've been getting nervous when about Florida, haha.
I'm not sure why it's so hard to find a current accurate pledged delegate count but he's currently down by around 195 (476-671). This could be made up if Clinton has a misstep at any point, and if Florida closens and he can make in-roads and possibly win NY and CA. It's a tall order but it's feasible. There's no reason the other 30 states shouldn't be able to have their say, and to promote a healthy democracy and progressive ideals for the next few months.
They need 2,026 pledged delegates to win. Clinton is 33% toward this, Sanders is 23.5%. Things can happen and that gap could swing.
Personally I think Sanders has done an awful job of trying to convert non-whites, and his window for achieving it is definitely almost fully closed. He has a sliver of opportunity to create something if he falters in Michigan today. But the opportunity is definitely there for a change of course.
cartoon_soldier
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There are many. Allowing Hillary to pivot to general gives Democrats a big lead in painting the GOP contenders and nominees the way they want to. Allows far greater time to help down ballot races.
There are many benefits to Bernie staying in the race. The longer he sticks around, the longer the Democratic party has to watch as the younger generation continues to favor ideals that the party doesn't currently stand for. It's pulling the party further to the left. It's a play for the future. This, assuming that Hillary doesn't fuck up and continues to secure the nom (in all likelihood this is what will happen, of course).
Not that I don't sympathize with the idea that in-fighting could be bad for the party, but it's not a black and white issue.
Not that I don't sympathize with the idea that in-fighting could be bad for the party, but it's not a black and white issue.
balladofwindfishes
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Bernie winning New York is not feasible.
Any path that requires him to win New York isn't happening.
Any path that requires him to win New York isn't happening.
The Lamonster
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It's a fine line - it's also important to keep her sharp in debates and make sure the "anti-establishment" Bernie supporters feel like they're getting a fair shake.
Dash_Riprock
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It getting kinda creepy seeing some of my Facebook friends posting that Bernie still has chance to win. They've been in denial since Super Tuesday and they're now in full on "CONSPIRACY" "ESTABLISHMENT MEDIA" mode.
The GOP is painting themselves as crazy by itself. The party is being slowly destroyed as if by insidious flesh-eating bacteria.
Trying to forge the best possible Democratic candidate will have no effect on this, and is what should matter (whether by simplicity of electing Bernie, or by wind-swept erosion of crafting Hillary into a more genuinely progressive, inspiring person).
The Lamonster
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It's because they've likely never paid attention to politics before this and don't quite understand how it works. That's how my Bernie-supporting friends and family are. They are so upset with the media and their "bias" toward Hillary; even NPR.
Ok?
I've been creeped out by NeoGAF posters saying "bow down to mah Queen!" and "YAASSSS my Queen Hillary" for the past few months. This gets us nowhere.
gutter_trash
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Bernie lost when he gave up the AA vote in the South after South Carolina.
His Super Tuesday totals reflected that and he is goign to get swept tonight and in 7 days
His Super Tuesday totals reflected that and he is goign to get swept tonight and in 7 days
Dash_Riprock
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Him giving up entirely on Minority voters speaks volumes more than any misheard "Ghetto" quote.
balladofwindfishes
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She was a Senator for years.
No way at all she loses New York. If Bernie requires NY to win, he is done.
Any path that has him winning period has him winning in places like NY and CA. It's really the only way to make the math work, regardless of its feasibility.
Whenever I see the Queen posts it seems like a deliberate attempted to annoy and joke around. Like a young sibling that won't stop poking.
Whenever I see the Bernie supporters post about the Hillary bias in every from of media (other than TYT of course), it comes off as misguided, tin-foil-hat nonsense. Like a crazy uncle that won't stop posting about chem-trails.
Big difference IMO.
1st Course
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New York has 15% black population, it'd be remarkable if Bernie won that state. So far Bernie has lost every single state with 10%+ black population.
New York has 15% black population, it'd be remarkable if Bernie won that state. So far Bernie has lost every single state with 10%+ black population.
Not only that but New York elected Hillary to the US Senate, twice. It would take a miracle for him to win it.
balladofwindfishes
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Then he simply cannot win
Michael F. Assbender
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Just voted in Royal Oak, Michigan. Polling place was nearly empty.
I mean this is obvious lol he knows it, his team knows it, it's just his supporters that are deluding themselves for some reason.
Pai Pai Master
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New York has 15% black population, it'd be remarkable if Bernie won that state. So far Bernie has lost every single state with 10%+ black population.
Hillary is not going to lose her own state
Your Entertainer
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The debate schedule really is getting tiresome...
As a Bernie supporter, he's pretty much done, barring a miracle. I'll be voting for Hillary, but she's a distant second for a variety of reasons. I'm confident that more Bernies will come along and be increasingly viable, especially with the growing, younger rift in the party focused on corporate profit and wealth inequality.
Hopefully Bernie will at least be able to continue to get the spotlight on his ideas, and get some prime time at the convention to have exposure.
This bodes well for me later today, I will go vote during my lunch.
Helps there a place polling right down the street.
I'm inclined to agree, this one is getting a bit bloated. That being said, I don't have the time to make one myself.
Michael F. Assbender
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I'm inclined to agree, this one is getting a bit bloated. That being said, I don't have the time to make one myself.
I don't know if the mods would allow it.
Michael F. Assbender
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Then today should too, imo.
Michigan getting shafted again.
Michigan getting shafted again.
Macho Madness
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15th is essentially Super Tuesday II so yeah it definitely should.
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