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[Miles X]

84% in with a 30k lead/4% lead.....I'm not sure this is "too close to call"

It is when Detroit is at 0%

Spoiler

lol

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

If Trump is so terrible why is he getting so many votes?

There are a lot of ignorant, hate-filled Americans.

 

[Blader]

Got a feeling the main reason that Bern's winning is because the Hilldawgs decided to stay home after Super Tuesday thinking she had it in the bag at this point while the Bernie Bros. stayed mobilized.

There were a handful of anecdotes to that effect, or Hillary supporters casting a vote in the GOP race instead.


That said, what a terrible night for Michigan pollsters! Better luck next cycle, guys.

 

[Lkr]

everytime they show Wayne County, Bernie's numbers keep getting higher and higher percentage wise

 

[Maxim726X]

If Trump is so terrible why is he getting so many votes?

Because the American people are terrible.

 

[MartyStu]

This would imply they've ever been watchable.

They are consistently pretty awesome. Election season has made them insufferable though.

 

[Pamplemousse]

If Trump is so terrible why is he getting so many votes?

People just want to watch a Trump vs Hillary debate.

 

[Joeytj]

Looks like an open primary did the trick, combined with a higher support for Sanders from black voters than previously thought.

Once Wayne County is at 80% or more reporting, the race will be called, I think.

 

[metalslimer]

Damn good job with the potential upset

 

[Kickz]

Seems like a good night for Trump.

LMAO!!

 

[ivysaur12]

Got a feeling the main reason that Bern's winning is because the Hilldawgs decided to stay home after Super Tuesday thinking she had it in the bag at this point while the Bernie Bros. stayed mobilized.

That may have something to do with it, but really, what a terrible night for MI pollsters! Everyone should be ashamed.

 

[Werd]

3.8% up with 85% in. Rather Detroit crashes in and she wins by half a percentage or not, pretty sure that call two hours ago was in fact a bit premature. Nice night for Bernie.

 

[border]

If Trump is so terrible why is he getting so many votes?

Because the anti-Trump vote is split between 3 other contenders.

 

[Ether_Snake]

I don't get why people get angry at Trump getting votes, but not Rubio or Cruz, other than fearing Trump might win the presidency when the other two wouldn't.

 

[Resident_UA]

Is Detroit actually at 0% or is this something that people just keep saying ironically. If its just part of Wayne county, Hillary is DONE!

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Same. I wonder what happened with the polling!

As they're mentioning on MSNBC, there hasn't actually been a real Democratic primary in Michigan since 1992 (due to the weirdness that happened in 2008). That's probably a factor, although the polls were still so far off that something more must have been going on.

 

[SlimySnake]

84% of the vote in.

Is Detroit still at 0% ??

Asking for a friend

MSNBC is saying that the votes are being counted by County, not districts. So they have no idea where the vote is coming from.

 

[egruntz]

I think another question is how all the polling pretty much fucked up so drastically. If the polling showed things would be closer this wouldn't be as big a victory as it is.

There's 15% left she's done.

I mean isn't the polling an average of many polls, even very, very old polls from last year? The remarkable thing about Bernie's campaign is how very quickly he gained traction and continues to gain traction. Remember his huge support in New Hampshire? This was one of his rallies in New Hampshire, June 2015:

 

[maabus1999]

I think another question is how all the polling pretty much fucked up so drastically. If the polling showed things would be closer this wouldn't be as big a victory as it is.

There's 15% left she's done.

7% of the Republican vote was Democrats crossing over. I really wonder if a majority though Hillary had it in the bag and went to vote on the other side (if it was an enthusiastic vote, then the Dems have problems period).

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

Wonder if what we're seeing in Michigan's gonna ripple through the rest of the rust belt? I know I've been seeing/hearing more Bernie ads out here in OH than I've seen/heard for Hillary.

 

[Orbis Tabula]

Same. I wonder what happened with the polling!

Maybe I'm terrible at statistics, but wouldn't the "99% confident" results from FiveThirtyEight mean that, on average, the other guy wins one time out of one hundred? I guess this was Bernie's lucky night!

 

[whytemyke]

I think another question is how all the polling pretty much fucked up so drastically. If the polling showed things would be closer this wouldn't be as big a victory as it is.

There's 15% left she's done.

I'm assuming most polling was done of likely voters. If a guy like Bernie is going to do anything it'll be with unlikely voters coming out

 

[Ashodin]

Exit polls coming out of the state are showing that about four in 10 Democrats said that electability and experience were most important to them — those people leaned Clinton — and six in 10 said honesty or empathy were most important, and those are people who have tended toward the Sanders side of the equation.

wheeeeeeewwwwwwwww

Ya gotta be honest, ya gotta be real.

 

[massoluk]

It is actually done. Delegates are split even. Now is just a race for bragging right.

 

[Michael F. Assbender]

What News source is "logic" based?

lack of emotion does not imply logic.

To the first part, mostly foreign press.

To the second, I never implied it did. I just said what I prefer and what I view TYT to be.

 

[Valhelm]

CNN reports 30% of MI African Americans voting for Sanders?

 

[ivysaur12]

Wonder if what we're seeing in Michigan's gonna ripple through the rest of the rust belt? I know I've been seeing/hearing more Bernie ads out here than I've seen/heard for Hillary.

They probably didn't think they needed to spend a lot of money in Michigan.

 

[boiled goose]

To the first part, mostly foreign press.

To the second, I never implied it did. I just said what I prefer, and what I view TYT to be.

Fair enough. Just happy you didnt say CNN or MSNBC

 

[nib95]

Young black voters throwing support behind Bernie is a good sign for the future. We (leftists) may not be there yet but we're going to get there.

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I sure hope so. If not this election cycle, then the next. But I have a bad feeling the next recession is going to take a big bite out of whichever party is left in power holding the pieces, and that it'll be especially detrimental if Hillary is the one in power at the time (as she sort of is pro big business). But should such a recession be in the next few years, which many internally forecast it could be, I'd rather Bernie be in power at the time, so he can retaliate by really dropping the hammer. It'd be harder for obstructionists to get in his way at that time, off of the back of public anger and outrage at the banks and financial institutes essentially lending to yet another major recession or mass economic contraction.

 

[SolarPowered]

I mean isn't the polling an average of many polls, even very, very old polls from last year? The remarkable thing about Bernie's campaign is how very quickly he gained traction and continues to gain traction. Remember his huge support in New Hampshire? This was one of his rallies in New Hampshire, June 2015:

Say what you will about his campaign, but the one they're not is "lazy". It's amazing what has been accomplished by such an old, non-christian and far left candidate's campaign staff.

 

[PlayALLtheGames]

Trump's speech was classic.

My fav part was when in one sentence he said China has committed the greatest theft in history of America using free trade, then in the very next that he likes China's leaders, then in the third that he wishes our leaders would do the same back to them. WHAT??? LOL!

 

[perfectchaos007]

86% of the vote in and Sanders with a 34,000 vote lead. Hillary is about to make her move!

 

[Damaniel]

3.8% up with 85% in. Rather Detroit crashes in and she wins by half a percentage or not, pretty sure that call two hours ago was in fact a bit premature. Nice night for Bernie.

Looks like he'll pull out the win. I'm gonna have to stay off the internet for a week at this rate

The overall delegate deficit is still far too high for him to make up, but at the same time I'm glad we have two decent candidates to choose from. I still think the tax thing is a HUGE liability, but I'll gladly throw my support behind either.

The pollsters are going to be eating serious crow though. It's one thing to be off a few points, but for every poll to be off by nearly 20% is unprecedented. They're going to have to take a long hard look at their methodology.

 

[Kickz]

86% in 4% lead for King B

Hooooooooold!!!!!!

 

[Deleted member 13876]

MSNBC is saying that the votes are being counted by County, not districts. So they have no idea where the vote is coming from.

The vote is coming from inside the house.

 

[brainchild]

Maybe I'm terrible at statistics, but wouldn't the "99% confident" results from FiveThirtyEight mean that, on average, the other guy wins one time out of one hundred? I guess this was Bernie's lucky night!

Statistical inferencing doesn't work like that. The margin of error for these polls wasn't 20-30%. The methodology was flawed, plain and simple.

 

[TyrantII]

Congrats to Bernie and his supporters. This is a hard won upset!

I like how this isn't a coronation. At least one party is a party of ideas and adult conversations and civics.

 

[Lkr]

86% of the vote in and Sanders with a 34,000 vote lead. Hillary is about to make her move!

she might win it on a late field goal, hold on

 

[Michael F. Assbender]

Fair enough. Just happy you didnt say CNN or MSNBC

Nah. I mostly ever watch them for laughs.

Or if they're covering something interesting I can't find anywhere else.

 

[PBY]

Trump's speech was classic.

My fav part was when in one sentence he said China has committed the greatest theft in history of America using free trade, then in the very next that he likes China's leaders, then in the third that he wishes our leaders would do the same back to them. WHAT??? LOL!

He also kept calling Rubio Lil Marco, but said they got along.

 

[SlimySnake]

86%. Bernie leads by 33k votes.

It's over. I bet Hillary is legit shook.

 

[Condom]

So this is it right? This is quite hopeful

 

[RoKKeR]

86% in, Bernie up 51-47. Pretty solid. Really impressive if he manages to pull this out, I think it starts to shake things up.

 

[Orbis Tabula]

Statistical inferencing doesn't work like that. The margin of error for these polls wasn't 20-30%. The methodology was flawed, plain and simple.

Guess I'm dumb, then! Thanks!

 

[danm999]

Is this the biggest polling upset of the election?

 

[Dennis]

Dennis is calling it: Bernie Sanders wins Michigan.

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

The RCP average was Clinton +21.4.

Biggest poll average change ever.

 

[Pryce]

Bernie just took Clare county I think.

 

[whitehawk]

Is this the biggest polling upset of the election?

Yes, at least in primary history.

 

[eBay Huckster]

Is this the biggest polling upset of the election?

This is the biggest primary polling upset in 40 years of them being a thing.